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Also, I'm really exited for MP Ultra Magnus, can't wait to see a proper picture of him.

Yotsuyasan wrote:Re: Scale -- As ever with Transformers, that is a useless argument. By your reasoning of a reboot starting with MP-10, then MP-11 would be part of that and thus should be a consistent scale. My, what a tiny jet he is.

And scale is absolutely impossible to keep consistent once they started doing Soundwave and his cassettes. After all, toys can't mass shift. Unless you're telling me that Soundwave just decided to be a really freaking huge cassette player!

In this case, I think we really can only look at robot mode for scale. And by that, I still think Rodimus and Grimlock fit.

I think you're being over-literal here. Obviously you can't have a huge jet or tiny cassette player mass-shift. But if you're looking at automobiles alone, and if the argument is that Optimus scales perfectly with Rodimus, then those are different questions, and have to be considered as such.

I agree with using robot mode scale to ground the entire line, and I don't disagree that Rodimus in robot mode scales well with MP-10 (I disagree on Grimlock - he's Starscream's height, a full head shorter than Prime). But I think it is silly to deny that there was a period in time where Takara decided to bring Masterpiece into the mainstream. MP-10 marked the beginning of a completely different approach to how MPs were marketed and produced. If you don't want to acknowledge that, fine.

Yotsuyasan wrote:Now, I know you and I shall not agree on this. And I don't wish to keep going on about it in a thread that is supposed to be (in part) about MP-22, and not the Masterpiece line as a whole...

Too late for that. I love my internet arguments

Yotsuyasan wrote:But one more (tongue in cheek) comment before I let it go... If the line rebooted, why is Takara still following the numbering established with MP-1? I don't see other reboots doing that... They didn't call the 2003 television series, "Galactica II: Starbuck's Sex Change," for example.

The line rebooted mid-stream. They didn't change the whole series, just the approach to these sorts of figures. Technically, Transformers 4 is a reboot, but it's still within the movie-verse continuity.

If he gets a Hasbro release I will pick him up if I see him.

If we do get a "rebooted" MP Megatron I wonder if he will he still be a hand gun after the import issues that the last one caused and Takara going after large numbers of sales?

think about the robot scale! what about robot scale! I thought that's what all this reboot is about.

I can't believe people are still cluelessly claiming that MP-10 being the start of a reboot is a matter of opinion. It's been a known statement of fact that MP-10 was a reboot for some time now- in terms of scale and design - even Takara have come out and officially said so.

The fact is that prior to this, as the MP-04 release of Convoy demonstrates, the Masterpiece line was originally designed to be in scale with the Binartech (and yes I'd argue that claiming it's Binaltech is wrong because it makes no sense in terms of Japanese marketting conventions) line and as MP-03 demonstrates, the designs were more based around realism:



Hopefully this finally puts this issue to bed, but of course, chances are people will still try argue otherwise.....

Regarding the Masterpiece reboot, for what it's worth, Takara has a page for the post MP-10 molds: http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/search/m ... index.html

And a separate page for the pre MP-10 molds:
http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/products ... piece.html

Regarding Ultra Magnus, not unless I can get him for less!
Though I'm sure he'll be awesome.

Preordered !

And regarding the whole "reboot" argument. It is a reboot that started with MP-10 because Takara Rodimus is not Rodimus Prime (wrong colors). The head change gimmick and trailer were bonuses, that's all. That's why he's pink and way too huge to fig in scale with MP-10.

I think Takara will do all of the 84 bots if they can and I do believe they'll figure something out with Shockwave and I do believe a new Megatron is coming.

I've been waiting for this Magnus and always believed it would come ever since I saw that kitbash from that Takara engineer/designer. This is gonna be sooooo cool !

For me personally the Masterpiece reboot started with MP-08 Grimlock. He was considerably smaller than most fans expected he would be, and he scales with MP-09 and MP-10 reasonably well when they're all in robot mode.

xyl360 wrote:Preordered !

And regarding the whole "reboot" argument. It is a reboot that started with MP-10 because Takara Rodimus is not Rodimus Prime (wrong colors). The head change gimmick and trailer were bonuses, that's all. That's why he's pink and way too huge to fig in scale with MP-10.

I think Takara will do all of the 84 bots if they can and I do believe they'll figure something out with Shockwave and I do believe a new Megatron is coming.

I've been waiting for this Magnus and always believed it would come ever since I saw that kitbash from that Takara engineer/designer. This is gonna be sooooo cool !

I remember everyone was speculating MP-10B was going to be Ultra Magnus when the silhouette was released - this is definitely something people have been clamoring for.

From BBTS

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Also, TFS has it up for pre-order...

http://tfsource.com/masterpiece/mp-22-ultramagnus/

El Duque wrote:For me personally the Masterpiece reboot started with MP-08 Grimlock. He was considerably smaller than most fans expected he would be, and he scales with MP-09 and MP-10 reasonably well when they're all in robot mode.

Actually Grimlock is too small to scale with MP-10 and is more built to scale with the BT line than the 2.0 line. Besides, Takara have specifically gone on record saying that the reboot started with MP-10.

Ravage XK wrote:If we do get a "rebooted" MP Megatron I wonder if he will he still be a hand gun after the import issues that the last one caused and Takara going after large numbers of sales?

As long as he is packaged in robot mode and has the orange cap in the barrel its all good right?

Naked Magnus wrote:A Masterpiece Ultra Magnus?

MY WALLET CAN'T DEAL WITH THAT NOW!

LoL, I see what you did, right there. Point to you.

Bowspearer wrote:

El Duque wrote:For me personally the Masterpiece reboot started with MP-08 Grimlock. He was considerably smaller than most fans expected he would be, and he scales with MP-09 and MP-10 reasonably well when they're all in robot mode.

Actually Grimlock is too small to scale with MP-10 and is more built to scale with the BT line than the 2.0 line. Besides, Takara have specifically gone on record saying that the reboot started with MP-10.

MP10 Convoy was scaled to MP09 Rodimus.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-masterpiece-47/takaratomy-staff-interview-masterpiece-174660/

Ironically, the same article speculates whether or not MP Ultra Magnus would be made. Check it out for the answer.

On a related note, just looked at MP10 Convoy, and noticed several tabs and slots already molded in - forearms, hip, front shins.

You guys have no idea how happy I am. I have been waiting for this bad boy since MP2. It take 3rd party KFC UM to make the headline before TTomy did their counterpunch. Otherwise, he would've still in their back burner. So for 2014, looks like I'll be getting TTomy MP UM, KFC UM, and Toyworld Don IDW UM

ultramagnus preordered. i dont care about price. i want that perfect bot.

PRICELESS!!! *drooling if the final look like that*
From Hasui Chogoking site
CHOGOKING.com → Masterpieces II

Stormrider wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:

El Duque wrote:For me personally the Masterpiece reboot started with MP-08 Grimlock. He was considerably smaller than most fans expected he would be, and he scales with MP-09 and MP-10 reasonably well when they're all in robot mode.

Actually Grimlock is too small to scale with MP-10 and is more built to scale with the BT line than the 2.0 line. Besides, Takara have specifically gone on record saying that the reboot started with MP-10.

MP10 Convoy was scaled to MP09 Rodimus.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-masterpiece-47/takaratomy-staff-interview-masterpiece-174660/

Ironically, the same article speculates whether or not MP Ultra Magnus would be made. Check it out for the answer.

On a related note, just looked at MP10 Convoy, and noticed several tabs and slots already molded in - forearms, hip, front shins.

Ironically you've just proven my point:

- The Masterpiece series began as an individual commemoration, but now you are starting over as a standardised series?
Hasui: That is right. This (MP- 10) is not simply meant to be a shrunken remake of MP-1 to match the scale with MP Rodimus Convoy, but a new beginning. I hope this Convoy will lead the characters that will be released in the future.

There you have it, MP-10 marked the official rebooting of the series, not MP-09. MP-09 was certainly a strong influence in determining that scale, as Hasui himself mentions, but as he says here, it began with MP-10.

Ravage XK wrote:If we do get a "rebooted" MP Megatron I wonder if he will he still be a hand gun after the import issues that the last one caused and Takara going after large numbers of sales?

he would definitely still be a handgun.. i don't believe japan has the same sort of regulations that we do.

but.. if they were smart, this time around they'd just add the removable orange plus themselves rather than have retailers do it.

i didn't have a problem getting my MP05 back then. i ordered two from ebay from two different sellers. both arrived to me sealed and untouched. i don't remember seeing people having problems with customs.. but it was a while ago, so i could've missed something.

but, with all that being said, i believe that we may get an MP galvatron before we see a second version of megatron. we've got hot rod, and now we're getting magnus, i'd think they'd go with galvatron next.. but i'd be perfectly happy with either one, i think they're both inevitable.

xyl360 wrote:Preordered !

And regarding the whole "reboot" argument. It is a reboot that started with MP-10 because Takara Rodimus is not Rodimus Prime (wrong colors). The head change gimmick and trailer were bonuses, that's all. That's why he's pink and way too huge to fig in scale with MP-10.

I think Takara will do all of the 84 bots if they can and I do believe they'll figure something out with Shockwave and I do believe a new Megatron is coming.

I've been waiting for this Magnus and always believed it would come ever since I saw that kitbash from that Takara engineer/designer. This is gonna be sooooo cool !

personally, i couldn't care less when the "reboot" started and when it didn't.. the way i see it, other than MP01 and MP05, they all work well together.

wrong colors on rodimus? maybe it's because they were basing the toy off of the movie rather than the show. and i don't know what you're tv color settings are.. but i'm watching a recorded version of the movie that the hub aired a while ago, and the colors are extremely close, and hot rod certainly does not change colors when he turns into rodimus in the movie. so, i'm not sure your color theory can be applied here.

and like i said, who cares about when this "reboot" happened.. we're getting a masterpiece ultra magnus!

i too have been waiting for a masterpiece magnus since we saw the kitbash. i can't wait.

i just REALLY wish they'd release a list of all of the planned masterpiece figures for the next 3 years, and a list of the masterpiece figures that are in the pipeline and are going to go into prototyping.

I wonder what effect this will have on the 2ndary market price of MP-02, if any.

TimothyR wrote:and like i said, who cares about when this "reboot" happened..

Nit-picky people, like myself.

TimothyR wrote:we're getting a masterpiece ultra magnus!

TimothyR wrote:i didn't have a problem getting my MP05 back then. i ordered two from ebay from two different sellers. both arrived to me sealed and untouched. i don't remember seeing people having problems with customs.. but it was a while ago, so i could've missed something.

You mean like the entire situation in places like Australia?

TimothyR wrote:personally, i couldn't care less when the "reboot" started and when it didn't.. the way i see it, other than MP01 and MP05, they all work well together.

Wrong. For starters you left out MP-02 (ironic in light of this thread) and MP-04. That leaves you with MP-03 and MP-06 - MP-09.

A case could be made for MP-09 as besides the colours issues, it is compatible with the reboot even though it isn't a part of the reboot. With MP-08 however, Grimlock is ironically too small to work with the rebooted scale.

That leaves MP-03, MP-06 and MP-07. Scale-wise these certainly work, however the designs themselves are a different story. With the V1.0 seeker design, it was "revised" by Shoji Kawamori (a name which should be familiar to Macross fans) and is clearly based far more on a realistic, mechanised interpretation of Starscream than it is a cartoon accurate Starscream - you can see this ranging from the realistic deco on Starscream, to the inclusion of side-skirts which are reminiscent of his work on Macross Plus with the YF-19 and YF-21. As such, what you have is something which falls far too short of the cartoon accuracy which the reboot is going for.

Ergo, with the exception of MP-09, there is no valid case that can be made for including anything prior to MP-10 in the rebooted line.

Bowspearer wrote:

Stormrider wrote:

Bowspearer wrote:

El Duque wrote:For me personally the Masterpiece reboot started with MP-08 Grimlock. He was considerably smaller than most fans expected he would be, and he scales with MP-09 and MP-10 reasonably well when they're all in robot mode.

Actually Grimlock is too small to scale with MP-10 and is more built to scale with the BT line than the 2.0 line. Besides, Takara have specifically gone on record saying that the reboot started with MP-10.

MP10 Convoy was scaled to MP09 Rodimus.

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-masterpiece-47/takaratomy-staff-interview-masterpiece-174660/

Ironically, the same article speculates whether or not MP Ultra Magnus would be made. Check it out for the answer.

On a related note, just looked at MP10 Convoy, and noticed several tabs and slots already molded in - forearms, hip, front shins.

Ironically you've just proven my point:

Not sure why you think that is ironic since I wasn't disagreeing with you. It's a lot more helpful for folks when facts are provided, instead of stating things as factual with nothing to back it up.


Back to the topic - I hope the MP Ultra Magnus incorporates enough movement in the armor so that UM isn't a brick.

Stormrider wrote:Back to the topic - I hope the MP Ultra Magnus incorporates enough movement in the armor so that UM isn't a brick.

He'd be a pretty crappy MP if his articulation were limited. I mean, it goes against the whole idea of MP.