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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Shadowman wrote:So people with intelligence and deduction skills on par with Batman, people who Bruce told personally, or people who learned from sources who had already known. Most of them have sworn not to reveal his identity, though, through one means or another. (Ra's and the LOA keeps it out of respect, Riddler out of wanting to keep it an obscure riddle, the Court of Owls out of simply not caring about Batman) And it's a puny fragment of Batman's cast, and an insignificant percent of the population of the DCU, so I'd hardly call that a "worst kept" secret.
Otherwise Wayne Manor would have been wrecked a million times over by now. He's pissed off everyone up to and including Darkseid, if as many people knew about his identity as you say, Bruce would have died years ago.
Plus, we're not talking about Batman. We're talking about Batgirl.
ok, I'll admit that "worst kept" was an over statement, but quite a few bad guys know, and Joker knows.If he knows Batmans id, its a safe bet he knew Batgirls.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Shadowman wrote:So people with intelligence and deduction skills on par with Batman, people who Bruce told personally, or people who learned from sources who had already known. Most of them have sworn not to reveal his identity, though, through one means or another. (Ra's and the LOA keeps it out of respect, Riddler out of wanting to keep it an obscure riddle, the Court of Owls out of simply not caring about Batman) And it's a puny fragment of Batman's cast, and an insignificant percent of the population of the DCU, so I'd hardly call that a "worst kept" secret.
Otherwise Wayne Manor would have been wrecked a million times over by now. He's pissed off everyone up to and including Darkseid, if as many people knew about his identity as you say, Bruce would have died years ago.
Plus, we're not talking about Batman. We're talking about Batgirl.
ok, I'll admit that "worst kept" was an over statement, but quite a few bad guys know, and Joker knows.If he knows Batmans id, its a safe bet he knew Batgirls.
Not really. Barbara doesn't have as many connections to Bruce as, say, Dick would. It requires a bit more than just "Bruce is Batman, ergo, Helena Bertinelli must be the Huntress!"
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:So out of boredom I started watching the leaked episodes. And, well, they reminded me why I like this show, really well done.
Only up to the ep with Ras Al Gul holding Gotham hostage with the Spark the one in which we learn that Katana's dad is dead.
Dead Metal wrote:I don't think he's really dead though, somehow I think it will later be revealed that he's really the Silver Monkey. The body build fits, and it would be a classic twist.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Dead Metal wrote:So out of boredom I started watching the leaked episodes. And, well, they reminded me why I like this show, really well done.
Only up to the ep with Ras Al Gul holding Gotham hostage with the Spark the one in which we learn that Katana's dad is dead.
"Learn" only applies if it wasn't established years ago in the comics. It's kind of like how no one bothers to put spoiler tags on the fact that Bucky Barnes is the Winter Soldier; we all already knew that.
Dead Metal wrote:I don't think he's really dead though, somehow I think it will later be revealed that he's really the Silver Monkey. The body build fits, and it would be a classic twist.
"Villain being a main character's father" isn't just a twist. It's a tired old cliche.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Shadowman wrote:Dead Metal wrote:So out of boredom I started watching the leaked episodes. And, well, they reminded me why I like this show, really well done.
Only up to the ep with Ras Al Gul holding Gotham hostage with the Spark the one in which we learn that Katana's dad is dead.
"Learn" only applies if it wasn't established years ago in the comics. It's kind of like how no one bothers to put spoiler tags on the fact that Bucky Barnes is the Winter Soldier; we all already knew that.
Only to those that actually read the comics in question. As in the target audience of this show.
Dead Metal wrote:Dead Metal wrote:I don't think he's really dead though, somehow I think it will later be revealed that he's really the Silver Monkey. The body build fits, and it would be a classic twist.
"Villain being a main character's father" isn't just a twist. It's a tired old cliche.
So?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Shadowman wrote:Dead Metal wrote:So out of boredom I started watching the leaked episodes. And, well, they reminded me why I like this show, really well done.
Only up to the ep with Ras Al Gul holding Gotham hostage with the Spark the one in which we learn that Katana's dad is dead.
"Learn" only applies if it wasn't established years ago in the comics. It's kind of like how no one bothers to put spoiler tags on the fact that Bucky Barnes is the Winter Soldier; we all already knew that.
Only to those that actually read the comics in question. As in the target audience of this show.
Exactly, it's not "learning" to the target audience.
Dead Metal wrote:Dead Metal wrote:I don't think he's really dead though, somehow I think it will later be revealed that he's really the Silver Monkey. The body build fits, and it would be a classic twist.
"Villain being a main character's father" isn't just a twist. It's a tired old cliche.
So?
So...cliches are bad, and it would be stupid if they did that.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Dead Metal wrote:I don't think he's really dead though, somehow I think it will later be revealed that he's really the Silver Monkey. The body build fits, and it would be a classic twist.
"Villain being a main character's father" isn't just a twist. It's a tired old cliche.
So?
So...cliches are bad, and it would be stupid if they did that.
You mean as bad as the cliche of the good guys always winning? Or the clishe of the hero's parents being dead? Or the cliche that the main character is so amazing that the villain is fascinated by him to the point of not simply wanting to kill him, but to kill him in an elaborate "more deserving" way? Or the cliche of pretty much everyone knowing martial arts? Or the clishe of a dark brooding character with a tragic past who comes close to turning to the "dark" because he spends "too much time in the dark".
Or the cliche of the super perfect butler from Britain?
Or the cliche of everything happening at night? Or heck, the hero surviving due to a convenient gadget he has, that's also a cliche. Or mental institutions being all creepy and dark and scary.
If cliches are so bad and using them would be stupid, they should avoid all of those as well.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Dead Metal wrote:I don't think he's really dead though, somehow I think it will later be revealed that he's really the Silver Monkey. The body build fits, and it would be a classic twist.
"Villain being a main character's father" isn't just a twist. It's a tired old cliche.
So?
So...cliches are bad, and it would be stupid if they did that.
You mean as bad as the cliche of the good guys always winning? Or the clishe of the hero's parents being dead? Or the cliche that the main character is so amazing that the villain is fascinated by him to the point of not simply wanting to kill him, but to kill him in an elaborate "more deserving" way? Or the cliche of pretty much everyone knowing martial arts? Or the clishe of a dark brooding character with a tragic past who comes close to turning to the "dark" because he spends "too much time in the dark".
Or the cliche of the super perfect butler from Britain?
Or the cliche of everything happening at night? Or heck, the hero surviving due to a convenient gadget he has, that's also a cliche. Or mental institutions being all creepy and dark and scary.
If cliches are so bad and using them would be stupid, they should avoid all of those as well.
Aw, that's cute, DM's trying to use logic! But he hasn't figured out that a lot of what he just said was applied to Batman before it became a cliche, if not something created specifically for Batman, making it acceptable within that setting.
Oh, DM, your attempts at being clever never cease to make me giggle. Always acting as if you know more than you actually do, or that you're an expert on a subject that you know nothing about.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Shadowman wrote:Aw, that's cute, DM's trying to use logic! But he hasn't figured out that a lot of what he just said was applied to Batman before it became a cliche, if not something created specifically for Batman, making it acceptable within that setting.
Oh, DM, your attempts at being clever never cease to make me giggle. Always acting as if you know more than you actually do, or that you're an expert on a subject that you know nothing about.
So, they're cliches now. The cliche of hero with tragic past is not created specifically for Batman, nor is the British Butler, onr gadgets, nor creepy mental institutions, or things taking place at night, or everyone knowing martial arts, or the villain fascinated by the hero, or good guys always winning.
All of those were all adopted by Batman, they were already cliches long before Batman ripped off Blue Beetle and Zorro.
What happened that you needed to go online and take offense by something trivial? Real life bothering you? Parents yell at you again? Did your bubble of the world revolving around you get popped again?
So stop being so adorable and wash the sand out of your vagina.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Dead Metal wrote:Shadowman wrote:Aw, that's cute, DM's trying to use logic! But he hasn't figured out that a lot of what he just said was applied to Batman before it became a cliche, if not something created specifically for Batman, making it acceptable within that setting.
Oh, DM, your attempts at being clever never cease to make me giggle. Always acting as if you know more than you actually do, or that you're an expert on a subject that you know nothing about.
So, they're cliches now. The cliche of hero with tragic past is not created specifically for Batman, nor is the British Butler, onr gadgets, nor creepy mental institutions, or things taking place at night, or everyone knowing martial arts, or the villain fascinated by the hero, or good guys always winning.
All of those were all adopted by Batman, they were already cliches long before Batman ripped off Blue Beetle and Zorro.
What happened that you needed to go online and take offense by something trivial? Real life bothering you? Parents yell at you again? Did your bubble of the world revolving around you get popped again?
So stop being so adorable and wash the sand out of your vagina.
Oh, look, DM is once more responding to people calling him out on his ignorance with even more ignorance (Blue Beetle came out three months after Batman) and outright hostility! Adorable!
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Hey guys, you know the tired old cliche of practically every Batman TV show being episodic with standalone episodes that get everything started and finished by each episode's conclusion, with every following episode feeling like its own unique story separate from every preceding one, with only the barest loosest connections between each episode existing because they happen to all involve the same main character even though what he does in one episode has little bearing on what he does in the very next one (outside of multi-parters)?
Sabrblade wrote:Surprise! Beware the Batman is the only Batman TV series that avoids this cliche by being a serialized show with an ongoing story linking virtually every episode into a single overarching plotline that builds up little by little at first until things heat up closer to the mid-season finale.
Sabrblade wrote:That is a HUGE step up from all past Batman TV shows.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Is that supposed to be a joke?Dead Metal wrote:Raz Algul
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Is that supposed to be a joke?Dead Metal wrote:Raz Algul
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Not to mention that the show pronounces his name correctly, unlike the Nolan trilogy, the Batman Begins video game, and everyone except Nyssa in Arrow.Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Is that supposed to be a joke?Dead Metal wrote:Raz Algul
Edit:
Ah I get it now, I spelt his name wrong.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that the show pronounces his name correctly, unlike the Nolan trilogy, the Batman Begins video game, and everyone except Nyssa in Arrow.Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Is that supposed to be a joke?Dead Metal wrote:Raz Algul
Edit:
Ah I get it now, I spelt his name wrong.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that the show pronounces his name correctly, unlike the Nolan trilogy, the Batman Begins video game, and everyone except Nyssa in Arrow.Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Is that supposed to be a joke?Dead Metal wrote:Raz Algul
Edit:
Ah I get it now, I spelt his name wrong.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
I love that bit.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that the show pronounces his name correctly, unlike the Nolan trilogy, the Batman Begins video game, and everyone except Nyssa in Arrow.Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Is that supposed to be a joke?Dead Metal wrote:Raz Algul
Edit:
Ah I get it now, I spelt his name wrong.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I love that bit.Shadowman wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Not to mention that the show pronounces his name correctly, unlike the Nolan trilogy, the Batman Begins video game, and everyone except Nyssa in Arrow.Dead Metal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Is that supposed to be a joke?Dead Metal wrote:Raz Algul
Edit:
Ah I get it now, I spelt his name wrong.
And that whole episode. The Batman musical it gave us was schway.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I've only gotten up to the first one with Dent in it. But it definitely feels like they're building up to Two-Face.
That seems to be the thing with the villains in this show. Regular appearances by the more obscure villains who haven't gotten as much mainstream exposure or attention outside of the comics, while building up to appearances by more major, mainstream villains for really large, significant events.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Sabrblade wrote:I've only gotten up to the first one with Dent in it. But it definitely feels like they're building up to Two-Face.
That seems to be the thing with the villains in this show. Regular appearances by the more obscure villains who haven't gotten as much mainstream exposure or attention outside of the comics, while building up to appearances by more major, mainstream villains for really large, significant events.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
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