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megatronus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:You don't have to support the BLM groups in order to agree that black lives matter.

Correct. And just because one doesn't support any BLM groups, doesn't make one a racist person. It depends on the reasons for not supporting such groups. As long as that person supports the concept of "black lives matter" which in essence is supporting equality.

I cannot and will not support a POLITICAL PARTY that have a wacky fringe cult-like ideology.

But you understand the difference between the concept of "black lives matter" which is saying simply that you acknowledge that black people's lives have value and shouldn't be discarded through the actions of those who perceive them as less valuable due to their skin color, and BLM which is the actual social justice movement (political or otherwise) that is all over social media and the streets, right? I have a feeling that some people here and elsewhere are misunderstanding when one says s/he doesn't support BLM (the social movement) due to its hypocrisy and "black lives matter" which is the concept of treating blacks as equals. They are 2 separate things.

They're two separate things, but the line is a lot thinner than you seem comfortable admitting.

Not at all. I said there was a diffenrence, and there is. That's all. You agreed. Regardless of how thin it is, as long as there is a line, they will remain separate.

Saying 'black lives matter' implies acknowledgement of the systemic racism that devalues black people as a foundational value of our society, one that stretches back to the founding of the U.S. and still exists today. It's not about a few bad apples.

I agree 100%. I said so in previous posts, all the way back to when this thread started. Black lives matter. Period. I also did point out that the blame for the systemic discrimination against black people should be placed first and foremost on those in charge of building this country's social structure through laws and financial practices, and it starts with this country's founding fathers, and continues all the way to today's government, all 3 branches (legislative, judicial and executive) and all levels of it (federal, state and local). Our civic and social leaders have to set the example of equal treatment by enacting fair laws and fairly enforcing such laws. And that hasn't happened in the entire history of the United States, which is why we are in the situation we are in now. Don't misuderstand, I'm not excusing the actions of regular people who have no power in politics and government. All I'm saying is that if these people (the president, Supreme Court justices, congressmen, senators, governors, mayors, police chiefs, religious leaders, etc.) expect the people to change, they have to lead the way by example.

Rodimus Prime wrote:But you understand the difference between the concept of "black lives matter" which is saying simply that you acknowledge that black people's lives have value and shouldn't be discarded through the actions of those who perceive them as less valuable due to their skin color, and BLM which is the actual social justice movement (political or otherwise) that is all over social media and the streets, right?.

Of course.
That's literally my point.

Unfortunately, it's been long proven by people's actions that ACTUAL black lives do not matter at all for the movement. So, "BLM" now mean only the cult. The cult who destroyed black neighborhoods with their unrest. The ones who keep pushing black people down when they want to stand up for themselves. The political cult who force white people to literally bend the knee and grovel in apology FOR THINGS THEY NEVER DID IN THEIR LIVES.

As if they really, really want a race war. If they think they will cure "racism" with intimidation, censorship, violence, and indoctrination, they will Pikachu-face gloriously when actual racism get cranked up to 11. And then, some other movement may rise that will make the KKK pale in comparison. People will ask "how did this happen", but deep down, they will know.

This is not the future that I want.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:But you understand the difference between the concept of "black lives matter" which is saying simply that you acknowledge that black people's lives have value and shouldn't be discarded through the actions of those who perceive them as less valuable due to their skin color, and BLM which is the actual social justice movement (political or otherwise) that is all over social media and the streets, right?.

Of course.
That's literally my point.

Unfortunately, it's been long proven by people's actions that ACTUAL black lives do not matter at all for the movement. So, "BLM" now mean only the cult. The cult who destroyed black neighborhoods with their unrest. The ones who keep pushing black people down when they want to stand up for themselves. The political cult who force white people to literally bend the knee and grovel in apology FOR THINGS THEY NEVER DID IN THEIR LIVES.

As if they really, really want a race war. If they think they will cure "racism" with intimidation, censorship, violence, and indoctrination, they will Pikachu-face gloriously when actual racism get cranked up to 11. And then, some other movement may rise that will make the KKK pale in comparison. People will ask "how did this happen", but deep down, they will know.

This is not the future that I want.

I know very well where you stand. I just wanted you to make it clear in case others misread your post, that's all.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I know very well where you stand. I just wanted you to make it clear in case others misread your post, that's all.

Well of course.
But some people can only hear white noise when it's the other who speak.

We really live in a Bizarro World when basic anti-racism principles like asking "WHO you are" and not "WHAT are you" is now considered "racist".
It's disheartening.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

megatronus wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:You don't have to support the BLM groups in order to agree that black lives matter.

Correct. And just because one doesn't support any BLM groups, doesn't make one a racist person. It depends on the reasons for not supporting such groups. As long as that person supports the concept of "black lives matter" which in essence is supporting equality.

I cannot and will not support a POLITICAL PARTY that have a wacky fringe cult-like ideology.

But you understand the difference between the concept of "black lives matter" which is saying simply that you acknowledge that black people's lives have value and shouldn't be discarded through the actions of those who perceive them as less valuable due to their skin color, and BLM which is the actual social justice movement (political or otherwise) that is all over social media and the streets, right? I have a feeling that some people here and elsewhere are misunderstanding when one says s/he doesn't support BLM (the social movement) due to its hypocrisy and "black lives matter" which is the concept of treating blacks as equals. They are 2 separate things.

They're two separate things, but the line is a lot thinner than you seem comfortable admitting.

Not at all. I said there was a diffenrence, and there is. That's all. You agreed. Regardless of how thin it is, as long as there is a line, they will remain separate.

Saying 'black lives matter' implies acknowledgement of the systemic racism that devalues black people as a foundational value of our society, one that stretches back to the founding of the U.S. and still exists today. It's not about a few bad apples.

I agree 100%. I said so in previous posts, all the way back to when this thread started. Black lives matter. Period. I also did point out that the blame for the systemic discrimination against black people should be placed first and foremost on those in charge of building this country's social structure through laws and financial practices, and it starts with this country's founding fathers, and continues all the way to today's government, all 3 branches (legislative, judicial and executive) and all levels of it (federal, state and local). Our civic and social leaders have to set the example of equal treatment by enacting fair laws and fairly enforcing such laws. And that hasn't happened in the entire history of the United States, which is why we are in the situation we are in now. Don't misuderstand, I'm not excusing the actions of regular people who have no power in politics and government. All I'm saying is that if these people (the president, Supreme Court justices, congressmen, senators, governors, mayors, police chiefs, religious leaders, etc.) expect the people to change, they have to lead the way by example.

Glad we're on the same page, then. Thanks for clarifying.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

megatronus wrote:I can say with extreme certainty that a straight, white, fringey alt-right MGTOW dude:

And here's the sentence that make every arguments you made nul and void. Because if someone of the "wrong identity" said something, it doesn't count.

Just a hint: You don't need to be a master cook to tell if a dish taste good.

Get out of the CNN bubble for a minute. Look at reality.

Or submit.
And bend the knee.



But you will never grovel low enough. It will never be enough.

I will respect my fellow humans. I will defend anyone who is in trouble, NO MATTER HIS OR HER COLOR. But I will never, ever bend the knee to a cult. If someone say to be "submit or die" like so many BLM "supporters" do, I'll fight to the bitter end.

But eh, you leftists extremists who only see gender and race first and the person as a distant second are throwing red pills around with reckless abandon. Keep up the good work!

What's fantastic about your response is that you don't debate my description of you, implicitly confirming it.

But THEN you go on to explicitly confirm the description, with your talk of CNN, bending the knee, red pills, etc., etc. Who's in a bubble exactly?

And that leads to the point: it's not that there's a 'wrong' identity. But, if you insist on casting the movement merely as a racial power play, you don't get to appropriate MLK, whose tactics and world view you have proven you do not understand.

Also, that cult you speak of, and the video you refer too: it's Christianity. I'm not sure why you think anyone was "forced" to "bend the knee."

megatronus wrote:
Also, that cult you speak of, and the video you refer too: it's Christianity. I'm not sure why you think anyone was "forced" to "bend the knee."

First, it's you who started your "attack" with race, gender, and political affiliation.

Just for your information, I've been a "liberal" all my life. But "your" left is now so FAR left, that everyone who disagree just a wee bit against anything "your side" say is now "far right".

It's insane.

Also, you wish the video above was "Christianity".
No, it's a new pagan religion that is taking over and it's pretty freaky.

Also, have you seen the video below? It may have been staged. It may be "obviously" just a prank. But I don't think that woman caught on the prank. She may have feared for her life and played along "just in case". Or she may be just a cultist, just happy to obey. No matter the reasons or circumstances, this is deeply disturbing.

-Kanrabat- wrote:First, it's you who started your "attack" with race, gender, and political affiliation.

Just for your information, I've been a "liberal" all my life. But "your" left is now so FAR left, that everyone who disagree just a wee bit against anything "your side" say is now "far right".

It's insane.

You have outed yourself as MGTOW many times, which makes my description of you essentially on point. Not everyone I disagree with is far right. Just you, by your own admission.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Also, you wish the video above was "Christianity".
No, it's a new pagan religion that is taking over and it's pretty freaky.

Also, have you seen the video below? It may have been staged. It may be "obviously" just a prank. But I don't think that woman caught on the prank. She may have feared for her life and played along "just in case". Or she may be just a cultist, just happy to obey. No matter the reasons or circumstances, this is deeply disturbing.

Uh, the guy invokes "Our Lord Jesus Christ" - Christians. Kneeling is a common expression of Christian culture. Again, any indication anyone was "forced" to "bend the knee?"

That second video - no one actually part of BLM would identify it as a "company" with a "CEO". This thing is almost certainly staged - and doesn't even pass the sniff test.

I watched the videos... honestly, I'm not entirely convinced you have. Or if you have, you're seeing what you want to see, not what's actually in front of your face.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

megatronus wrote:
Also, that cult you speak of, and the video you refer too: it's Christianity. I'm not sure why you think anyone was "forced" to "bend the knee."

First, it's you who started your "attack" with race, gender, and political affiliation.

Just for your information, I've been a "liberal" all my life. But "your" left is now so FAR left, that everyone who disagree just a wee bit against anything "your side" say is now "far right".

It's insane.

Also, you wish the video above was "Christianity".
No, it's a new pagan religion that is taking over and it's pretty freaky.

Also, have you seen the video below? It may have been staged. It may be "obviously" just a prank. But I don't think that woman caught on the prank. She may have feared for her life and played along "just in case". Or she may be just a cultist, just happy to obey. No matter the reasons or circumstances, this is deeply disturbing.

I can't. This is getting TIRED. Have you actually spoken to ANYBODY officially from the Black Lives Matter group, or are you slow enough to keep finding and posting bullshit Youtube videos like this garbage? Where did you find this trash ass video anyway? I keep reading straight LIES from you and it doesn't even sound like you've actually spoken to a knowledgable BLACK PERSON about the movement. Please save your bullshit opinion for whether or not you feel like the next Haslab project is going to be worth the price and the wait. Talk about if the G1 Transformers Sun Bow animated series is official cannon or not. Tell us how you feel about Beast Wars vs. Beast Machines. But whatever you do, STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION. Yo, I've heard about people like you who seem scared to death that Black Lives Matter is going to take over the country, rape your women and steal your jobs and freedoms, but I just thought that was some Fox "News" talking points that like 10% of the population with mental issues were consumed with loading up their AR-15s in a trailer park somewhere. I guess I was wrong. Do I actually know organizers from the Black Lives Matter Movement? YES. Are they a terrorist organization? NO dumb ass. Seibertron and the rest of the admins are going to have to forgive me, but there are too many lies being spread in the name of "I'm not racist and want to see racism end, BUT BLACK LIVES MATTER SCARES ME. That's not the way to end racism". Which is really the problem. There's always some scared non POC trying to pick and choose the delivery of the afflicted when we say we're tired of racism. EVERYBODY"S feelings start getting hurt when they see black people marching down the street saying Black Lives Matter. But then if an athlete takes a knee during the playing of the national anthem, then that certainly is an inconvenient and disrespectful time isn't it? YOU'RE ONE OF THE MOST MISINFORMED PEOPLE I'VE EVER WITNESSED ON THIS SUBJECT. STOP! You sound like a coward that's scared the big Black Lives Matter Monster is hiding under your bed waiting to take away your 2nd Amendment rights and trade them for crack cocain and poppy seeds to Al Queda. THERE IS LITERALLY AN OFFICIAL WEBSITE THAT CAN HELP YOU TO EDUCATE YOURSELF https://blacklivesmatter.com so you don't have to keep making **** up and pulling negative fear mongering videos off of Youtube. The About Us statement is as follows: "#BlackLivesMatter was founded in 2013 in response to the acquittal of Trayvon Martin’s murderer. Black Lives Matter Foundation, Inc is a global organization in the US, UK, and Canada, whose mission is to eradicate white supremacy and build local power to intervene in violence inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes. By combating and countering acts of violence, creating space for Black imagination and innovation, and centering Black joy, we are winning immediate improvements in our lives."

Nowhere on their OFFICIAL WEBSITE does it call for white people to get down on their knees. Jesus tap dancing Christ.

gothsaurus wrote:Well spoken and commendable coming out of silence to speak up for human rights.

If you are arguing with this post, you are arguing with Optimus Prime himself - and everything he stood for.

I wholeheartedly agree.

Thank you, Ryan.

#BlackLivesMatter

Wow. So, gonna make two posts because I want to separate ideas here.

First goes back to the conversation I had before with Shadowkatt about neutrality. The fourth cop who was charged with the murder of George Floyd chose what he thought was the neutral path. He stood there and did nothing, not participating in the murder, but not stopping it. By the law, he is guilty as an accessory after the fact. He's who people who "can't pick a side" are.

Second,

-Kanrabat- wrote:First, it's you who started your "attack" with race, gender, and political affiliation.

Just for your information, I've been a "liberal" all my life. But "your" left is now so FAR left, that everyone who disagree just a wee bit against anything "your side" say is now "far right".

It's insane.

And I am the Queen of France.

For someone who says they were "liberal" their whole life (first, why the quotes?) and second, why is your post so full of far right catch phrases? "CNN bubble" "Take the red pill" "Bend the knee" Saying others only see race and gender first that is a lot of super far right catch phrases, in one post. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it aint no deer, but it might be a sheep.

Speaking of sheep, has anyone ever noticed that these MAGA cultists all have the exact same arguments? Like someone wrote a script for them to copy paste and they can't deviate from that script. First off, we all know the far left liberals watch MSNBC or Al Jazeera, but that's to many letters to type. Second, the red pill was taken to wake up and join an Antifa group. Neo is an Antifa hero. Third, is kneeling bad and showing weakness, or bad and showing disrespect? Like, Kapernick does it to the flag, and he's completely disrespecting it. But if you do it to black people, you're weak and a coward and ****. I thought kneeling was to show respect, the penitent man and all, but let's face it. If Jesus showed up today, all these people would want to lynch him.

Absolute Zero wrote:why is your post so full of far right catch phrases?

And there we go again.

As I said before it used to be:
RIGHT**********++++++++++LEFT

But now for the current "Left", it's
FAR RIGHT*****************+++THE HOLY LEFT

People didn't really change their views. Only the fringe extreme Left is now in power.
If you can open your mind for just a minute, take a look at the other side for what they have to say. Take a listen to the #WALKAWAY movement.



Will you have the courage to at least listen to this guy?

-Kanrabat- wrote:People didn't really change their views. Only the fringe extreme Left is now in power.

I thought Trump was president... Huh...

Absolute Zero wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:People didn't really change their views. Only the fringe extreme Left is now in power.

I thought Trump was president... Huh...

Dafok it had to do with anything?
And I bet you didn't listen at all to what the black man above had to say.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:People didn't really change their views. Only the fringe extreme Left is now in power.

I thought Trump was president... Huh...

Dafok it had to do with anything?

I told you I am the Queen of France, and you will address me as "Her Most Radiant Majesty."

Far left liberal icon Mitt Romney marches.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mitt-romne ... ington-dc/

Absolute Zero wrote:Far left liberal icon Mitt Romney marches.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mitt-romne ... ington-dc/

Dunno if he's "far left", but one thing is sure. He's one massive hypocrite. Marching will do jack-sh!t. He will keep on making a fortune on the back of the black people he pretend to support.

I don't care that he's a Republican. I'll call out a fraud when I see it

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:Far left liberal icon Mitt Romney marches.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/mitt-romne ... ington-dc/

Dunno if he's "far left", but one thing is sure. He's one massive hypocrite. Marching will do jack-sh!t. He will keep on making a fortune on the back of the black people he pretend to support.

I don't care that he's a Republican. I'll call out a fraud when I see it

At least he can admit black lives have worth.

But you're right. Marches don't do ****. Certainly didn't pass civil rights laws, which turned the south from solid democrat to solid republican for 4 generations now because the then southern white democrats and now southern white republicans were so offended that black people might be treated with equality. It's not like there's a southern white republican blocking an anti lynching law because that would just be silly.

- Her Most Radiant Majesty, AZ, Queen of France

Thank you for posting this, Ryan!

This isn't political - this is BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS! As Optimus said, "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings."

Let's end discrimination COMPLETELY and end police abuse on our citizens.

#BlackLivesMatter

Nice little note for you all to see: https://twitter.com/ActorGarryChalk/sta ... 9450155013

The saying is: 'TIL ALL ARE ONE', NOT just one specified group.
To single out just one group of persons IS THE DEFINITION OF SEGREGATION AND THUS RACIST ITSELF. "ALL" Are One, NOT just persons of colour. Stand up, stop kneeling before Communist pedestrians!. Either ALL or none at all! They claim to represent minorities. Well, the smallest and most-important "minority" is the ONE, The Individual!

Well, BLM is now officially an authoritarian cult. For simply daring to criticize the abuses of the movement and some members to some base principles that are iffy, people are getting beaten up, fired from their job or lose contracts.

This will not "cure racism" at all. It will only exacerbate racial tensions to unbearable levels.

Also, there's that baffling COVID-19 double standard as if BLM alone is immune to lockdowns, social distancing, and the virus itself.
Don't take my word for it.

-Kanrabat- wrote:Well, BLM is now officially an authoritarian cult. For simply daring to criticize the abuses of the movement and some members to some base principles that are iffy, people are getting beaten up, fired from their job or lose contracts.

This will not "cure racism" at all. It will only exacerbate racial tensions to unbearable levels.

Also, there's that baffling COVID-19 double standard as if BLM alone is immune to lockdowns, social distancing, and the virus itself.
Don't take my word for it.

3 second google. "Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Political scientists have created many typologies describing variations of authoritarian forms of government."

Also "adjective
favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom.
"the transition from an authoritarian to a democratic regime""

People are losing their jobs because they're being caught being terrible human beings to other human beings. If you have a problem with that, maybe you're the problem. Like that dude who assaulted children on camera.

There's no lockdown in this country. That was Italy. Also, a bunch of white assholes protested the stay at home orders with guns because they wanted a haircut. It kinda goes both ways.

The protesters are being advised to social distance as much as possible and wear masks while they're out there, and everyone is telling them to get tested after every time they go out. So... No, they're not immune to it.

The only way protesting the murder of an unarmed black man can make things worse is if a bunch of terrible white people, who are against anti-fascism can't accept that black people are people too, and their lives should matter. Not matter more, not be more important, but just matter. Like, be allowed to exist without fear of being murdered for the color of their skin.

- Her Most Radiant Majesty, AZ the Queen of France.

Dear Absolute Zero,

You’re wasting your time speaking common sense to Kanrabat. Clearly Kanrabat is a batsh%t idiot, so there’s that. As I’ve previously stated, I doubt this person has even taken the opportunity to speak to anyone from Black Lives Matter, who I actually know, or spoken to a Black Person familiar with the movement. Let’s just keep spreading misinformation from far right conspiracy theory YouTube videos (because that’s where you’ll find ALL of the experts) or Fox “News”. Again, don’t waste your time or knowledge. “Cast not pearls before swine” -Jesus