Emperor Galvatron wrote:Bonus points for the '80s kids who remember those.
zodconvoy wrote:Emperor Galvatron wrote:Bonus points for the '80s kids who remember those.
POWER X-TREME!
Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.
BeastProwl wrote:Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.
Truer Words have never been spoken!
This!Emperor Galvatron wrote:I'd rather have the Cyclonus mold, and the Silverbolt mold for Overlord.
Rated X wrote:Sucks.
It is not a shell so it should not have the shells human face. This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.
This as well.zodconvoy wrote:BeastProwl wrote:Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.
Truer Words have never been spoken!
Every other Pretender that has had an update favored the shell. Every single one. Bludgeon, Skullgrin, Thunderwing, Black Shadow. The only reason why none of them have had human faces is because they were all Decepticons/Destrons.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I'll get it because I like the character, but this toy should NOT be called "Metalhawk", as this is the Pretender shell, whose name in this form was simply "Hawk". The inner robot went by the name "Metalhawk".This!Emperor Galvatron wrote:I'd rather have the Cyclonus mold, and the Silverbolt mold for Overlord.Rated X wrote:Sucks.
It is not a shell so it should not have the shells human face. This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.This as well.zodconvoy wrote:BeastProwl wrote:Rated X wrote: This is supposed to be Botcon, not Dollcon.
Truer Words have never been spoken!
Every other Pretender that has had an update favored the shell. Every single one. Bludgeon, Skullgrin, Thunderwing, Black Shadow. The only reason why none of them have had human faces is because they were all Decepticons/Destrons.
It's not among the rumored line up for Botcon 2012 (which has all come true thus far).phase wrote:Maybe they'll release his inner robot from Cyclonus as a bagged figure either at BotCon 2012 or 2013. Or even make it a Club-Exclusive in 2013. Who knows? I just want to see the thing before I decide how I feel about it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
What about Stranglehold? How well did he sell?Rated X wrote:My point is the concept just won’t receive the same love as the Decepticon pretenders. I am an 80’s child so I can vouch for this. I had Skullgrin and Bugly as a kid. The Decepticon pretenders sold while the Autobot pretenders were shelf warmers.
[/quote]Why a child? In both the American and Japanese fiction, the Autobot Pretenders (and Stranglehold) all resembled adult males.Rated X wrote:Now back to 2012. Thanks to Michael Bay, a robot can have any type of weird alien, bug, skull, or monster face and still pass as a robot. But a human face? It’s as stupid a concept now as it was 25 years ago. Scale wise, the robot inside the shell would have to be as small as a child, while the Decepticon pretenders could be any size since there is no scale for monsters.
In Marvel G1, the giant sized human shells were used to fool the Decepticon Pretenders (rather than Earth humans) into think that they were giant humans so as to weird them out. They were also used to fool other giant alien lifeforms into thinking they were humans, and even visited a planet that was ruled by human female warriors of the same size as the Autobot Pretenders.Rated X wrote:Unless you would be “fooled” by a 20 foot tall human walking down the block.
In the Japanese cartoon, the human Pretender shells worked on a different level. Instead of a robot hiding with an organic casing, the robot actually shrunk down and physically changed on a molecular level into a human form. This was done as more than a mere disguise but as a means to actually integrate into human society (since these four Autobots were so fascinated by humanity when they first arrived on Earth during the Neolithic era). so, in this series, the Pretender shell was smaller than the actual robot form (though, one issue of the Japanese comic related to this series showed that the Pretender shell could grow in size to be at the height of robot mode, but this didn't happen on screen in the cartoon itself).Rated X wrote:I never saw the 80's japanese cartoon, so I dont know if the humans played a different role than as the actual figures that portrayed them as huge shells. But judging from these photos posted, even a deluxe is way out of scale with other classics figures. Maybe if he were legends size.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Rated X wrote:My point is the concept just won’t receive the same love as the Decepticon pretenders. I am an 80’s child so I can vouch for this. I had Skullgrin and Bugly as a kid. The Decepticon pretenders sold while the Autobot pretenders were shelf warmers. No kid wanted to own an oversized human doll.
Now back to 2012. Thanks to Michael Bay, a robot can have any type of weird alien, bug, skull, or monster face and still pass as a robot. But a human face? It’s as stupid a concept now as it was 25 years ago. Scale wise, the robot inside the shell would have to be as small as a child, while the Decepticon pretenders could be any size since there is no scale for monsters. Unless you would be “fooled” by a 20 foot tall human walking down the block. I never saw the 80's japanese cartoon, so I dont know if the humans played a different role than as the actual figures which portrayed them as huge shells. But judging from these photos posted, even a deluxe is way out of scale with other classics figures. Maybe if he were legends size.
I understand the homage factor, but the cool factor just isn’t there.
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