Different tooling but same mold, JelZe.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:No no no no, Universe Hot Shot just won't do! Use the retooled/original Henkei mold instead, like with Dion.
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Different tooling but same mold, JelZe.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:No no no no, Universe Hot Shot just won't do! Use the retooled/original Henkei mold instead, like with Dion.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Different tooling but same mold, JelZe.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:No no no no, Universe Hot Shot just won't do! Use the retooled/original Henkei mold instead, like with Dion.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Here's a thought for a UT theme. Suppose it's post-Cybertron story that involves this guy.
After all, we just got a magazine story involving the Destructons, and have previously gotten a comic with Solarbot. No one's too obscure at this point.
Why do I get the feeling that if IDW or any other company instead of the Club decided to breathe life into this character you wouldn't be complaining?SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know right, what an amazing character, peaks and troughs of his life story, it's just byautiful.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Why do I get the feeling that if IDW or any other company instead of the Club decided to breathe life into this character you wouldn't be complaining?SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know right, what an amazing character, peaks and troughs of his life story, it's just byautiful.
Then kindly explain to me what is wrong with writers taking undeveloped, untapped material that has yet to be explored and then breathing life into it to make it more substantial and potentially more worthwhile than the unappealing state of nothingness that it currently is?SW's SilverHammer wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Why do I get the feeling that if IDW or any other company instead of the Club decided to breathe life into this character you wouldn't be complaining?SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know right, what an amazing character, peaks and troughs of his life story, it's just byautiful.
Nah i'd still complain.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Then kindly explain to me what is wrong with writers taking undeveloped, untapped material that has yet to be explored and then breathing life into it to make it more substantial and potentially more worthwhile than the unappealing state of nothingness that it currently is?SW's SilverHammer wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Why do I get the feeling that if IDW or any other company instead of the Club decided to breathe life into this character you wouldn't be complaining?SW's SilverHammer wrote:I know right, what an amazing character, peaks and troughs of his life story, it's just byautiful.
Nah i'd still complain.
I mean, is that not the same as when a writer creates something new from the ground up? (which happens all the time)
Sabrblade wrote:Here's a thought for a UT theme. Suppose it's post-Cybertron story that involves this guy.
After all, we just got a magazine story involving the Destructons, and have previously gotten a comic with Solarbot. No one's too obscure at this point.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Here's a thought for a UT theme. Suppose it's post-Cybertron story that involves this guy.
After all, we just got a magazine story involving the Destructons, and have previously gotten a comic with Solarbot. No one's too obscure at this point.
Not for you, anyway Too bad we don't have a proper Pterosaur mold to use (No Animated please), I'd have loved to see Ravenus.
SG Swoop is Cybertron Brimstone in Armada Ravenus colors.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:EDIT: I just thought of one: Cybertron Brimstone in G1 Swoop colors, can be repurposed as Shattered Glass Swoop.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:SG Swoop is Cybertron Brimstone in Armada Ravenus colors.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:EDIT: I just thought of one: Cybertron Brimstone in G1 Swoop colors, can be repurposed as Shattered Glass Swoop.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:SG Swoop is Cybertron Brimstone in Armada Ravenus colors.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:EDIT: I just thought of one: Cybertron Brimstone in G1 Swoop colors, can be repurposed as Shattered Glass Swoop.
Depends which Ravenus: that Transmetal Terrorsaur (which is more likely) or his G1-inspired body and colors:
I went with the latter, just because I can and offers (twisted) possibilities.
P.S. I know, technically it's his Diaclone deco, which was used for the G1 cartoon.
That's the main question to ask of any newly-developed TF character of any series, as it's the job of the writer to make them appealing to us and make us care about them. Regardless of whether it's the Club or IDW or anyone.SW's SilverHammer wrote:Why should we care about a character with as deep and rich a history as one still frame, a passing mention, and about one sentence worth of character. Or an alternatively be wowed that the club has revived characters from Transformers in 3-D that about .01 percent of the transformers fandom liked or cared about before the club got a hold of them.
I fail to see how that doesn't apply to any of the examples I've listed. Solarbot had no mythos, so they created his backstory from scratch. The Destructons got a whole new mythos of their own created for them by the Club, since the comic they originally debuted in had next-to-no mythos for them of its own. Likewise, Initial T has no mythos, so any that the Club would write about would also be made from scratch.SW's SilverHammer wrote:At least when somebody creates a new character, they create their mythos from scratch, they create their unique character.
Looking at all the Club characters that even come close to that hyperbolic description, I count 2005 Ricochet and...SW's SilverHammer wrote:When the club, "breathes life" as it were, the character is usually boiled down to:
"Hey, isn't it so awesome we pulled this character from a passing mention no one particularly remembers, and created an entire alternate universe around to justify it's existence, he's the most awesome super badass that was ever made ever, with at totally deep and tragic back-story that isn't contribed and about as well written as Tumblr TF Slash fiction."
They made Ferak into nuttier mechanical engineer than Wheeljack.SW's SilverHammer wrote:I'm getting god damn Ferak flash backs.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:That's the main question to ask of any newly-developed TF character of any series, as it's the job of the writer to make them appealing to us and make us care about them. Regardless of whether it's the Club or IDW or anyone.SW's SilverHammer wrote:Why should we care about a character with as deep and rich a history as one still frame, a passing mention, and about one sentence worth of character. Or an alternatively be wowed that the club has revived characters from Transformers in 3-D that about .01 percent of the transformers fandom liked or cared about before the club got a hold of them.
After all, before any cartoon or comic comes out, the toys themselves are a bunch of fictionless nobodies just like Initial T, and it's up to the fiction to make them appealing. Whether the fiction succeeds or fails is something that cannot be determined until after it comes out, and is largely an opinionated answer since some characters appeal to some people and not to others.I fail to see how that doesn't apply to any of the examples I've listed. Solarbot had no mythos, so they created his backstory from scratch. The Destructons got a whole new mythos of their own created for them by the Club, since the comic they originally debuted in had next-to-no mythos for them of its own. Likewise, Initial T has no mythos, so any that the Club would write about would also be made from scratch.SW's SilverHammer wrote:At least when somebody creates a new character, they create their mythos from scratch, they create their unique character.
The only things the above had before the Club got to them that newly-made characters don't have are names (or in the case of the Destructons, appearances).Looking at all the Club characters that even come close to that hyperbolic description, I count 2005 Ricochet and...SW's SilverHammer wrote:When the club, "breathes life" as it were, the character is usually boiled down to:
"Hey, isn't it so awesome we pulled this character from a passing mention no one particularly remembers, and created an entire alternate universe around to justify it's existence, he's the most awesome super badass that was ever made ever, with at totally deep and tragic back-story that isn't contribed and about as well written as Tumblr TF Slash fiction."
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They made Ferak into nuttier mechanical engineer than Wheeljack.SW's SilverHammer wrote:I'm getting god damn Ferak flash backs.
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Alright then i'm clearly wrong, go back to preaching Club fiction like it's the gospel, because it totally is. You've successfully converted me.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Sabrblade wrote:SW's SilverHammer wrote:Alright then i'm clearly wrong, go back to preaching Club fiction like it's the gospel, because it totally is. You've successfully converted me.
That's not fair! I'm not in this to "win" or "be right". I don't want your defeat.
Every time they try that it rarely succeeds for them.megatronus wrote:I'd prefer the Club just make entirely new characters
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Every time they try that it rarely succeeds for them.megatronus wrote:I'd prefer the Club just make entirely new characters
SW's SilverHammer wrote:"Hey, isn't it so awesome we pulled this character from a passing mention no one particularly remembers, and created an entire alternate universe around to justify it's existence, he's the most awesome super badass that was ever made ever, with at totally deep and tragic back-story that isn't contribed and about as well written as Tumblr TF Slash fiction."
Cobotron wrote:Hey! You seemed to have attracted a wild Megatronus. They're hard to find, but boy are they fun when you catch one!
Nice Furmanism.ScottyP wrote:Flak and Ferak are both well and truly new characters.
Yes. Wings Universe, far distant future.ScottyP wrote:- In a well-established Universe (Wings, right? Could be wrong here)
How so? One's a typical 'Con punk and the other's an absent-minded gizmo-maker.ScottyP wrote:- Ferak and Tornado: They've done a decent job with Tornado's Facebook page in making him relevant, but it's convoluted, in my opinion of course,
It's a free, open Facebook page that anyone can access. I don't have Facebook, but I read the whole thing (cuz I legitimately enjoyed the story).ScottyP wrote:and it's on Facebook which not everyone has. Meaning, I have no idea about most of it.
Would it have made any difference had it just been yet another plain old, ordinary iteration of Alpha Trion?ScottyP wrote:- Alpha Trizer: Really? Cheetor merged with the spirit of Alpha Trion or some **** and got reformatted into magical lion guy? Who thought this was a good idea? This is patently dumb, but on a more objective level, it's lazy. Wanna make a new character today Jesse? Nah, let's just use Botanica magic to merge a couple other characters so they can be all wise, sagely, and catty.
The Facebook also went into him, as did his toy bio.ScottyP wrote:- Ginrai: So he's the leader of the Knights. Aaaaand that's it. Nothing else of value was added to his character.
He's an existing character. His backstory was made known over a decade ago. And, he does have a bio.ScottyP wrote:- Apelinq: No backstory to speak of and basically invincible. Well then. "Deep"
I agree about the excessive focus of their bodies was unnecessary, but sadly there is a large part of the fandom that disagrees with us. But, like Apelinq, these two are also existing characters. And, again, they're backstories are in the bios.ScottyP wrote:- Flareup and Flamewar: Set back female TF characters a decade. Flareup is happy and BUTT. Flamewar is cunning and BOOBS. I am not 11 years old anymore, and I doubt most of Funpub's target audience is either. Not only is this more lazy characterization, but it's borderline insulting and misogynistic.
It's best to view each BotCon issue as a one-shot that's meant to be standalone on its own, regardless of whether it might happen to be tied to a larger story. And if it is, great, more opportunity for things to get further developed. But for those that cliffhanger their endings with no signs of a sequel, then it's no different from all those little "You decide what happens next!" stories that kids get to finish up with their toys and imaginations. To my knowledge, only one BotCon story has ever really gotten a sequel story and that was the 2013 Machine Wars one, whose sequel became an online comic instead of a print one.ScottyP wrote:There's also not much hope that I'll ever see these characters in the future. Looks like Shockaract, maybe, but there's not much to want to keep up investment in where the story goes. That, to me, is their big problem. Too many made up characters or attempts at "fleshing out" obscure ones, only to never see them again outside of maybe a cameo.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
megatronus wrote:That's a lot of stuff there, but your underlying point is very clear (and is something I allude to in my earlier post about Strongarm/Fixit): whatever they decide to do, build a new character or raise an obscure one, they have to do it thoughtfully and with a mind towards giving that character longevity within an ongoing narrative, beyond that years botcon theme or set. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Sabrblade wrote:Would it have made any difference had it just been yet another plain old, ordinary iteration of Alpha Trion?
Sabrblade wrote:Does no one read those? Cuz they're kind of important when it comes to TCC characters. They put their backgrounds in the bios so the fiction can focus on the here and now with them. Are people seriously expecting, like, IDW levels of storytelling here with rich lengthy multi-issue histories all crammed into a single issue? Every BotCon comic has advertise like 20 toys and put them all into a single issue that also has to tell a complete story with a beginning, middle, and end that makes some semblance of sense. They don't have the luxury of being able to go into everyone and everything across multiple years like IDW can with its many ongoings and mini-series and spotlights and etc. Cut them some slack when they gotta be doing so much with so little.
Sabrblade wrote:It's best to view each BotCon issue as a one-shot that's meant to be standalone on its own, regardless of whether it might happen to be tied to a larger story. And if it is, great, more opportunity for things to get further developed. But for those that cliffhanger their endings with no signs of a sequel, then it's no different from all those little "You decide what happens next!" stories that kids get to finish up with their toys and imaginations. To my knowledge, only one BotCon story has ever really gotten a sequel story and that was the 2013 Machine Wars one, whose sequel became an online comic instead of a print one.
Where is this quote from? I can't find it in the toy's bio, unless I'm looking at the wrong bio.ScottyP wrote:"Apelinq once believed the voice belonged to Vector Sigma or Primus himself"
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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