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durroth wrote:honestly, I think my and jelze' main reasonings for jhiaxus over starscream are probably similar. In my case, it's that the wings look a little more batlike than starscreams. I can't speak for her.

That's right, it's in the wings, they could make it a hybrid figure. If anything it could be a Souvenir or next year's Club Exclusive. You listening there Pete?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

durroth wrote:honestly, I think my and jelze' main reasonings for jhiaxus over starscream are probably similar. In my case, it's that the wings look a little more batlike than starscreams. I can't speak for her.

That's right, it's in the wings, they could make it a hybrid figure. If anything it could be a Souvenir or next year's Club Exclusive. You listening there Pete?

Retooling Jhiaxus' wings to fit Armada Starscream's swords would probably be a bit much for the Club, no?

Looks like a giant Beachcomber to me.

megatronus wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

durroth wrote:honestly, I think my and jelze' main reasonings for jhiaxus over starscream are probably similar. In my case, it's that the wings look a little more batlike than starscreams. I can't speak for her.

That's right, it's in the wings, they could make it a hybrid figure. If anything it could be a Souvenir or next year's Club Exclusive. You listening there Pete?

Retooling Jhiaxus' wings to fit Armada Starscream's swords would probably be a bit much for the Club, no?

And wouldn't it kinda destroy the bat-like characteristics of Jhiaxus's wings to make the same slots on the wings for the swords that Starscream's wing have?

Sabrblade wrote:

megatronus wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

durroth wrote:honestly, I think my and jelze' main reasonings for jhiaxus over starscream are probably similar. In my case, it's that the wings look a little more batlike than starscreams. I can't speak for her.

That's right, it's in the wings, they could make it a hybrid figure. If anything it could be a Souvenir or next year's Club Exclusive. You listening there Pete?

Retooling Jhiaxus' wings to fit Armada Starscream's swords would probably be a bit much for the Club, no?

And wouldn't it kinda destroy the bat-like characteristics of Jhiaxus's wings to make the same slots on the wings for the swords that Starscream's wing have?

I never said anything about retooling the wings for that. They could always pull a SG Drift anyway

Poyguimogul wrote:Looks like a giant Beachcomber to me.

Great! He'll have a friend

Don't think the sleek racing car form fits the Battle Trap character. Think G1 Battle trap had something similar to a SUV or military hummer type vehicle.

Guessing Flywheels won't be in the Box set. Think Flywheels will be in the 2015 Botcon add ons souvenirs plastic baggies.

Don't ever recall in G1, That the Duocons were referred to as the muscle in the Decepticons army.

Knowing TFCC, Think calling Botcon Battletrap the muscle. Is a pun on the Botcon toy car body design, as it's known as a muscle car.

Yeah, I'm not suggesting Onyx Primal would be in the box set. He could be an add on or freebie, though.

Burn wrote:Duocons is a gimmick that needs to be given a modern take, not a easy way out through triple-changing.

And isnt Overlord one big Duocon ?

Sure he happens to have a 3rd mode base made out of jet parts. Should MMC give Carnifex's transformation a "modern take" too ?

If you mean the original G1 Duocon gimmick by "modern take" then we are in agreement.

But if you want to see some bizarre PWTT style "modern take" then Id rather have the triple changers..

HA! Overlord is totally a DuoCon! Touché, RatedX. Touché.

Yeah, with the new connector ports, they should take advantage and put out some new DuoCons, plus other oddity combiners. (As mentioned before... Omega, Overlord, TidalWave) They'd be cheaper to make, since the limbs don't transform.

How in the world do people expect the Club to come up with Duocons that are actual Duocons in the G1 sense? Those seem like unreasonable expectations right there.

Using Springer & Blitzwing as modern adaptations of the Duocons is fantastic. Of course, I'm all for bringing odd-duck characters into the mainstream transformation fold, but still. That head looks great, and however we get Flywheels (hopefully the box set), I expect him to look great, too.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Don't think the sleek racing car form fits the Battle Trap character. Think G1 Battle trap had something similar to a SUV or military hummer type vehicle.

His Universe bio calls it a jeep while his Dreamwave MTMTE bio (no link, sorry) calls it a 4WD truck.

Tsutsukakushi wrote::-? Don't ever recall in G1, That the Duocons were referred to as the muscle in the Decepticons army.

Knowing TFCC, Think calling Botcon Battletrap the muscle. Is a pun on the Botcon toy car body design, as it's known as a muscle car.

His Universe bio compares his vehicle components to a "wrestling tag-team" and note that he "has good strength in robot mode".

You can give Starscream convincing enough bat wings just by pointing them the other direction. Fore added effect you can leave the swords on and open them half way.

megatronus wrote:How in the world do people expect the Club to come up with Duocons that are actual Duocons in the G1 sense? Those seem like unreasonable expectations right there.

I don't think anyone does, they want Hasbro to do it properly.

gothsaurus wrote:HA! Overlord is totally a DuoCon! Touché, RatedX. Touché.

Sure, if you ignore the base mode. So he's a TripleDuoConChanger I guess?

Emerje

The swords are far more important to convince me that it's an Onyx Primal toy. Armada Starscream's wings are close enough.

Okay. Idea. Onyx primal from mp ratbat

durroth wrote:Okay. Idea. Onyx primal from mp ratbat

It's not likely that Fun Pub can use MP molds.

If they do Onyx, they have to make sure they print "BOTCON '96 DEALER EXCLUSIVE" on the back of all of them.

Someone mentioned using the RTS Windcharger for Nightracer, but I think a better retool for that mold would be Rook (the 2002 one). The flip out guns could be painted as flip out microphones for when he's interviewing.

RiddlerJ wrote:Someone mentioned using the RTS Windcharger for Nightracer, but I think a better retool for that mold would be Rook (the 2002 one). The flip out guns could be painted as flip out microphones for when he's interviewing.

Well, Nightracer did previously appear in Transformers: Timelines #9 "A Common Foe" in a body based on the Tailgate mold:

1/2 for me so far...

Packrat: Rattrap's a good mould and all, but have no attachment to the character. Though I do like blue. So this is a maybe

Battletrap: I like the idea of turning duocons into triple-changers, and I'm trying to collect as many G1 inspired classics verse figures. Plus Springer rocks. So this is a yes.

Waiting to see what the other three are before I start trying to save serious cash

I really like the idea of updated Duocons, but this isn't what I had in mind.

prjkt wrote:Packrat: Rattrap's a good mould and all, but have no attachment to the character. Though I do like blue. So this is a maybe

For those in this situation who would be willing to become more familiar with Packrat as a character, you can read the story (legally for free) he first appeared in here - http://www.botcon.com/archive/story/1997/index.html

Finally, a Decepticon from the Springer mold! Just a shame he's part of an expensive convention set. And with me already pouring money into Devastator, Defensor, Ultra Magnus and more... *sigh*

Rook from the first Windcharger classics mold (which was fantastic)... Nightracer from the more slender recent Tailgate. *crosses fingers*

Burn wrote:Duocons is a gimmick that needs to be given a modern take, not a easy way out through triple-changing.

Amen to that!

I am digging all the blue this year though...my favorite color. Sadly there is no money for Botcon figures this year. Real life can be such a drag. Uncle Sam didn't give me a refund last year or this year and I had new deductions (still owed money). Go ahead Uncle Sam...misappropriate my tax dollars as that's all you seem to do.