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(dont be suprised if things are misspelled i am half asleep just got back from midnight showing) for those that have seen ROTF, dont you think too many TFs were killed off? i was highly disappointed about the arcee triplets, devastator, jetfire, etc, and uh....um....oh yeah! ravage! not right! if many of you were as disappointed as i was say what TFs sould have died and should have lived. who do you think should come back? hw would this effect which toys you will get?

Did Arcee and... whichever that other one was really die? They got shot once. I only noticed Jetfire being a sure death.

It's safe to say Ravage is also a sure death, and of course the Fallen. I am not sure of Devastator, when he got shot he just fell apart. The bikebots got shot, the sounds they made would suggest they died, but they didn't explode. So who knows.

Rodimus Prime wrote:It's safe to say Ravage is also a sure death, and of course the Fallen. I am not sure of Devastator, when he got shot he just fell apart. The bikebots got shot, the sounds they made would suggest they died, but they didn't explode. So who knows.

Yeah, but I meant for the autobots. There was a slaughter of decepticons.

Well the Decepticons have nothing to worry about cause they can be rebuilt with some other Decepticons body on the bottom of the Atlantic ocean and brought back to life and be on Saturn's moon all within a 5 minute period.

If you're an Autobot, however, you're screwed. You'll spend the whole film either dead waiting for resurrection or you just won't come back at all.

First Gen wrote:Well the Decepticons have nothing to worry about cause they can be rebuilt with some other Decepticons body on the bottom of the Atlantic ocean and brought back to life and be on Saturn's moon all within a 5 minute period.

If you're an Autobot, however, you're screwed. You'll spend the whole film either dead waiting for resurrection or you just won't come back at all.

If that small piece of "All Spark" that the Decepticon's stole can bring back Decepticons like Megatron, why can't Sam & Mikaela's small sliver of "All Spark" do the same for slain Autobots like Arcee? I feel bad that I didn't see enough of the twin Arcee bots in Action. And why couldn't Sam just use the splinter of "All Spark" he has to regenerate Optimus Prime? Why go through so much trouble to get the Matrix? Will the "All Spark" not work on Prime? There were so many Decepticons in this movie I was thrilled. Soundwave is still functioning attached to that satellite. The war is not over Autobots!!!

Did Arcee die? I thought Mikaela was sitting on Arcee at the end of the movie..

Cyber Bishop wrote:Did Arcee die? I thought Mikaela was sitting on Arcee at the end of the movie..

No, Arcee didn't die. One of her got shot but not dead. They just didn't show them anymore after that.

First Gen wrote:

Cyber Bishop wrote:Did Arcee die? I thought Mikaela was sitting on Arcee at the end of the movie..

No, Arcee didn't die. One of her got shot but not dead. They just didn't show them anymore after that.

I did not think she died. I saw when Chromia was hit though.

Ugh, you guys are so lucky.

I wanted to go see it so bad at midnight last night, all my friends were going, but my stupid girlfriend didn't want to go then, so now I have to wait until 7:30 tonight.

but didn't the bike sisters die in the explosion?

Seraphium Prime wrote:Ugh, you guys are so lucky.

I wanted to go see it so bad at midnight last night, all my friends were going, but my stupid girlfriend didn't want to go then, so now I have to wait until 7:30 tonight.

Why didn't you just go without her? It would have been worth it. And if you see it again tonight, that's great because you get to see it AGAIN!

Haha, this is true. She really wanted to see it too though...she just didn't want to go at midnight. Oh well...only 7 more hours, and I will be in my seat

Irken17 wrote:but didn't the bike sisters die in the explosion?

There were 3 bike sisters in the film. Remember the China battle? One got obliterated in the desert. It wasn't Arcee. Mikaela was sitting on Arcee at the end of the movie, thus the Arcee inclusion in the Skids, Arcee, Mikaela Human Alliance toy.

Ravage is toast. He was much tougher in the cartoon.

The Fallen has been felled for good.

Jetfire is dead.

Devastator just got split up. I doubt the Constructicons are dead.

I wish the Twins got killed off. How does one tiny Twin fight his way out of Devastator? Stupid.

What the hell happened to Barricade? Is he still on highway, driving to Mission City???

The list of the dead (that i noticed)

.Jetfire - suicide
.Grindor - Face ripped in two by Prime
.Ravage - Deffinatly remember seeing him die
.Skorponork - Ripped in half by jetfire
.The Fallen
.Demolisher - Shot by Prime
.Sideways - Cut in half by sideswipe
.Rampage - Bumblebee rips off his arm and shoots him in the back of the head
.Alice the 'pretender'
.Devastator - we see him hit by rail gun, he may have survived, i doubt it though

is that it?

skids 2.0 wrote:The list of the dead (that i noticed)

.Jetfire - suicide
.Grindor - Face ripped in two by Prime
.Ravage - Deffinatly remember seeing him die
.Skorponork - Ripped in half by jetfire
.The Fallen
.Demolisher - Shot by Prime
.Sideways - Cut in half by sideswipe
.Rampage - Bumblebee rips off his arm and shoots him in the back of the head
.Alice the 'pretender'
.Devastator - we see him hit by rail gun, he may have survived, i doubt it though

is that it?

That is the "pretty much visually confirmed" that I saw.
However the only one that could possibly be up in the air is Devastator..

I still can't believe that Scorponok had maybe 15 seconds or less screen time in this before he was ripped in half.

skids 2.0 wrote:The list of the dead (that i noticed)

.Jetfire - suicide
.Grindor - Face ripped in two by Prime
.Ravage - Deffinatly remember seeing him die
.Skorponork - Ripped in half by jetfire
.The Fallen
.Demolisher - Shot by Prime
.Sideways - Cut in half by sideswipe
.Rampage - Bumblebee rips off his arm and shoots him in the back of the head
.Alice the 'pretender'
.Devastator - we see him hit by rail gun, he may have survived, i doubt it though

is that it?

And one of the Arcee motorcycles.

I like how BB ripped out Ravage's "spine"
That was kewl - I'd pay $10 to see that again

And my friend Suzy liked the Twins, she commented on how they "sounded like rappers" LOL - no disrespect though, and she freaked out when Alice the Pretender's "tail" was revealed! She said "Ohmygodshehasatail!" I then had to explain to her what a Pretender was LOL
She later thanked me for pointing out who was who, and what was what; I just told her I'm a TF fan since 1984!

[quote="skids 2.0"]The list of the dead (that i noticed)
.Jetfire - suicide
quote]

Id say more like he sacrificed his life.

Ravage dying was crappy but at least he died cool. Anytime someone sub-zero's your ass its a badass way to die!

I was happy when Mudflap got eaten then i got pissed!

Autobots:

• Optimus Prime - stabbed in the back by Megatron, but revived by the Matrix and Jetfire
• Jetfire - mortally wounded by Scorponok, then give up his body and power to Prime
• Arcee sisters - shot in battle (debatable)

Decepticons:

• Sliced in half by Sideswipe
• Demolishor - shot in the head by Prime
• Hightower - sacrificed by his fellow Constructicons to resurrect Megatron
• The Decepticon hatchlings - died due to a sufficient lack of energon
• Alice - crushed by Mikaela's driving
• Grindor - face ripped apart by Prime
• Devastator - blasted into pieces by a rail gun
• Ravage - had his tail and spine ripped out by bumblebee
• Rampage - shot in the back of the head by Bumblebee
• Long Haul - killed by the military bombardment
• Scrapper - killed by the military bombardment
• Extra protoform Decepticons - killed by the military bombardment
• Mixmaster - sliced by Jetfire
• Scorponok - Jetfire ripped off his tail and smashed his head
• The Fallen - had his spark ripped out by Prime

Other:

• "Kitchen Crew" - blasted by Bumblebee
• The Dynasty of Primes - six of the seven died in the ancient past to defeat The Fallen

skids 2.0 wrote:The list of the dead (that i noticed)

.Jetfire - suicide
.Grindor - Face ripped in two by Prime
.Ravage - Deffinatly remember seeing him die
.Skorponork - Ripped in half by jetfire
.The Fallen
.Demolisher - Shot by Prime
.Sideways - Cut in half by sideswipe
.Rampage - Bumblebee rips off his arm and shoots him in the back of the head
.Alice the 'pretender'
.Devastator - we see him hit by rail gun, he may have survived, i doubt it though

is that it?

wait wait wait...by grindor you mean blackout? if not blackout is missing

Sonic Wing wrote:

skids 2.0 wrote:The list of the dead (that i noticed)

.Jetfire - suicide
.Grindor - Face ripped in two by Prime
.Ravage - Deffinatly remember seeing him die
.Skorponork - Ripped in half by jetfire
.The Fallen
.Demolisher - Shot by Prime
.Sideways - Cut in half by sideswipe
.Rampage - Bumblebee rips off his arm and shoots him in the back of the head
.Alice the 'pretender'
.Devastator - we see him hit by rail gun, he may have survived, i doubt it though

is that it?

wait wait wait...by grindor you mean blackout? if not blackout is missing

Blackout was killed in the first film. This movie had Grindor, his lookalike.

No Blackout was never in this movie. He was killed in the first and they only revived Megatron on the seafloor.

The chopper-con was Grindor who happens to be Blackouts twin. Yet another of those confusing shots (like Bonecrusher in vehicle mode) that they never choose to explain.

Sonic Wing wrote:wait wait wait...by grindor you mean blackout? if not blackout is missing

No, Grindor and Blackout are seperate characters.
But, yeah, repaints are okay for the toyline not in the actual movie.

Jacob P. Galvatron wrote:

Sonic Wing wrote:wait wait wait...by grindor you mean blackout? if not blackout is missing

No, Grindor and Blackout are seperate characters.
But, yeah, repaints are okay for the toyline not in the actual movie.

Especially in the case of Hightower. He was shown underwater with the other Constructicons, and it was he who was sacrificed by the others to brign back Megatron.

Yet, later in the film, his combiner counterpart was seen driving to the battle in egypt and became a part of Devastator.