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They already KOed Drag Strip.

Can get Breakdown if you get White / Blue / Grey / Black - DIY kit and smash together. Would also have a G2 Sideswipe from that. >.>
Just no TFCC heads. -Never will be a G2 colored KO Breakdown I bet.

Doubledealer93 wrote:hey hasbro, if you made a breakdown then people would not have to go to KOs for one. of which i am doing. that does look awesome. i have to get it. i already have an official botcon G2 breakdown.

Hasbro already released a few official breakdown toys.
here's a link with pics of the Revenge of the fallen basic/scout sized Breakdown toy:
http://cdn.tfw2005.com/resources/attach ... 804378.jpg

I thought this was a excellent updated homage as they nailed the proper size scale in relation to how the 1985 toy size was. it was also a decent updated homage as it was the right color,similar alt mode & it was very poseable.

Megatron Wolf wrote:we can only hope the head on punch isnt tiny like the hasbro version, why was the head so damn small

LOL the KO version is also small, and missing one of his antenna.

YES finally i may possibly be able to buy breakdown at non-convention prices Hurah- Cough I mean this is bad this is stuff and things and bad again.......

SW's SilverHammer wrote:YES finally i may possibly be able to buy breakdown at non-convention prices Hurah- Cough I mean this is bad this is stuff and things and bad again.......

Personally I love these things for the sheer fact others will be able to afford these at normal prices.

I have zero interest in these. as I'm satified with one copy of the mold. I don't need nor do i have the space nor spare cash to buy every single repaint/remold that comes out.

Anyways,IMHO,The classics sunstreaker mold was MEDIOCRE,It wasn't that spectacular to get every repaint/remold.

Minezeye wrote:Such a simple redeco, hasbro could have done...instead hasbro would rather give us skyshadow and an ugly ass wreck gar repaint....tsk ...tsk..

And the icing on this awsome news is SCAMPER! who will look great next to my G1 metroplex!

1- Skyshadow originally came from the 1989 Japanese Takara TF victory cartoon series & toy line. the toy/charcter was originally called Blackshadow in 1989 but hasbro couldn't get the rights to the name or felt using Black would sound offensive. 1989 blackshadow was a recolor/remold using the 1988 Mega pretender thunderwing toy mold.

1a-It's worth mentioning in walmarts price scanner the generations skyshadow toy scans up as the following abbreviation: BLK SHDW,Which is abreviated for black shadow. so at one point hasbro was going to use the original 1989 black shadow name but changed their minds at the last minute.

2- as most in this thread already noted,this isn't scamper. Scamper was a 100% black colored mold. this is meant to be another tranasformers character/toy as this toy is colored black & white.

Minezeye wrote:Such a simple redeco, hasbro could have done...instead hasbro would rather give us skyshadow and an ugly ass wreck gar repaint....tsk ...tsk..

So, you'd rather see, another Universe Sunstreaker repaint, instead of Black Shadow?

Is that what you said? I think that was what you said.

Megatron Wolf wrote:we can only hope the head on punch isnt tiny like the hasbro version, why was the head so damn small

the head is small due to the limitations of the sunstreaker/sideswipe mold.
and that is some thing that cannot be fixed.

the head has 2 faces, and a helmet that flips back and forth, to always cover one of them. but due to the unavoidable size of the helmet piece for that gimmick to work, and the fact the head still has to fit down the tiny space in the torso for it to tuck away in car mode. means the head is forced to be small.

if you get one, you will see even at that small size, it just fits in the torso cavity.

generalstratton wrote:

Megatron Wolf wrote:we can only hope the head on punch isnt tiny like the hasbro version, why was the head so damn small

the head is small due to the limitations of the sunstreaker/sideswipe mold.
and that is some thing that cannot be fixed.

the head has 2 faces, and a helmet that flips back and forth, to always cover one of them. but due to the unavoidable size of the helmet piece for that gimmick to work, and the fact the head still has to fit down the tiny space in the torso for it to tuck away in car mode. means the head is forced to be small.

if you get one, you will see even at that small size, it just fits in the torso cavity.

FWIW,We've got TF toys with tiny heads all the time. Just look at some of the Dotm voyagers,like Skyhammer with th deluxe sized robot head. or Car robots Gigatron with the tiny robot head.

I don't see the big deal with the TFCC club toy punch/counterpunch having a under sized robot head.

IMHO,It just seems like when a TF toy is really exspensive to buy. the more complaints the toy gets. examples of this all the Masterpiece Transformers toys.

Their is no doubt in my mind had hasbro released punch/counterpunch for $9.99 at all retail stores in america & the toy was beyond over produced. the complaints about the under sized robot head would be significally less.

i agree completely about the lower the cost, the less complaints.

but hey, the more you spend one something, the higher quality you expect for your money.

Tidalwavex wrote:1- Skyshadow originally came from the 1989 Japanese Takara TF victory cartoon series & toy line. the toy/charcter was originally called Blackshadow in 1989 but hasbro couldn't get the rights to the name or felt using Black would sound offensive. 1989 blackshadow was a recolor/remold using the 1988 Mega pretender thunderwing toy mold.

1a-It's worth mentioning in walmarts price scanner the generations skyshadow toy scans up as the following abbreviation: BLK SHDW,Which is abreviated for black shadow. so at one point hasbro was going to use the original 1989 black shadow name but changed their minds at the last minute.

Yeah, I heard they went through several revisions before settling on Sky Shadow. A friend at Target said theirs scans up as: AFRCN AMRICN SHDW. To be honest I would have troop built a "Flip-slant-eye Shadow", "Rice-eater Shadow", or "Minority Shadow" army if it had a super articulated transformable drone, and I'm Filipino; but that's neither here nor there. Good thing Hasbro is looking out for the greater good. Black Shadow... pshh, how insensitive! ...4shame.

Even though im sick to the back teeth of this mould being used i dont need to think twice about getting breakdown

Did the KO Wildrider come out i remember seeing that KO black Rodimus on ebay.

Yes, the repro Henkei Wildrider is out. I have him.

you can get henkei wildrider off kotoys
you can also get ko SE dragstrip off kotoys

Im really glad there doing botcon breakdown as i would love to own the G2 colored version and also a punch/counterpunch

i find it alittle sad the people who are complaining are the same dicks who moaned in the 'kotoys closing down' thread basically because they shelled out 200+300 on a TOY and are now moaning about the fact theres a ko of it. It makes me wonder sometimes if these same people moan when they buy a game at full price and then others buy them 2nd hand or less (as the makers of the game make no money that way) i just find it real pathetic when you get a bunch of sad acts moaning about a sodding toy if its been koed or not

Hopefully these will be released on kotoys before the forced close down and we can all purchase them. If not then im sure tom will just reopen the site under a different name as its not that difficult

Yeah, when there are great ideas... I wish Hasbro would figure out a place to release them. Like these could be a ToysRUs box set of exclusives... or Botcon... or ComicCon...

I have the official releases, but you can bet I'll pick up the other two. They look fantastic. AND if and when Hasbro releases them, I'll get the official version.

Definitely wanting that G1 looking Breakdown. Wonder if it'll be hard to find or if AcesToyStore will carry it? Sure it won't be long till we find out. I do hope their their quality in KO's improve however.

IMO, KO's just have a slightly different production quality to them. I have no problems with buying cheaper KO's especially with a G1 Breakdown since Hasbro doesn't seem like they will produce one. KO products also don't seem to effect the market for original version of these toys.

For the record, KOToys is not severing their relationship with the CHMS production team or "factory" - also, the KOToys forum will remain open past the new year and for the foreseeable future. I'm sure a logical being would want to sign up as a member of said forum if interested on the details of obtaining CHMS releases in the future. Just sayin...

Sabrblade wrote:Wouldn't this Scamper figure make more sense as Deep Cover?

No, because CHMS already released a Deep Cover months ago. They did 2 different versions, clear and red windows. The new deco is Scamper.

Swindle01 wrote:people who are complaining are the same dicks who moaned in the 'kotoys closing down' thread

Name calling is not needed or necessary man.

Swindle01 wrote:you can get henkei wildrider off kotoys
you can also get ko SE dragstrip off kotoys

Im really glad there doing botcon breakdown as i would love to own the G2 colored version and also a punch/counterpunch

i find it alittle sad the people who are complaining are the same dicks who moaned in the 'kotoys closing down' thread basically because they shelled out 200+300 on a TOY and are now moaning about the fact theres a ko of it. It makes me wonder sometimes if these same people moan when they buy a game at full price and then others buy them 2nd hand or less (as the makers of the game make no money that way) i just find it real pathetic when you get a bunch of sad acts moaning about a sodding toy if its been koed or not

Hopefully these will be released on kotoys before the forced close down and we can all purchase them. If not then im sure tom will just reopen the site under a different name as its not that difficult

Well even if KOtoys does not open under a new name, the demand for these high quality knockoffs will still be there. As such some one else in the KO game will grow and fill in the void left by KO toys.

For the demand for high quality knock off figures, will continue to exist so long as other companies try to make them limited, and near impossible to get for the average collector.

We all wanted a various botcon figures when they came out, but due to travel costs, admission, etc, vs budget, very few of us would get the chance to go to botcon and get them. And the after market cost, is no better. So these high quality KO happily fill the gap for most of us.

Sure we will always know they are not the original, but if the quality is good enough, we won't care in the slightest.

the best way to Destroy the ko market, is not to make your figures limited and expensive. but to make them average priced and available to every one.
the other way is to watch the after market, and when something gets really high, reprint it. Good example, classics mirage average $50.00 a figure on ebay, so now would be a good time to re-print it as part of the generations line. this way the demand will be filled, and the fans won't need to get a KO of it to fill the whole in their collection.

Scaleface wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Wouldn't this Scamper figure make more sense as Deep Cover?

No, because CHMS already released a Deep Cover months ago. They did 2 different versions, clear and red windows. The new deco is Scamper.

it may not make sense, unless you consider the Deepcover toy they made was limited to under 100 (or 200), and was done only as a way to use the test figures printed, after the mold broke. It was never an intentional release when the mode was being made, but more an after thought as a way to recoup loss.

And if you look at the picture of "scamper", you will see deepcover's police badge on his arm/car door.

Swindle01 wrote:you can get henkei wildrider off kotoys
you can also get ko SE dragstrip off kotoys

Im really glad there doing botcon breakdown as i would love to own the G2 colored version and also a punch/counterpunch

i find it alittle sad the people who are complaining are the same dicks who moaned in the 'kotoys closing down' thread basically because they shelled out 200+300 on a TOY and are now moaning about the fact theres a ko of it. It makes me wonder sometimes if these same people moan when they buy a game at full price and then others buy them 2nd hand or less (as the makers of the game make no money that way) i just find it real pathetic when you get a bunch of sad acts moaning about a sodding toy if its been koed or not

Hopefully these will be released on kotoys before the forced close down and we can all purchase them. If not then im sure tom will just reopen the site under a different name as its not that difficult

No they did not shell out 300 dollars for a toy, they shelled out 300 dollars for a 6 figures plus an extra, if you do the math you'll find that that works out the same per figure as what one of these "cheaper" alternative KOs cost.

im sorry your right, 300 IS fair for 6 sodding toys which realistically a child would play with but a grown adult is willing to shell out 300 for. Yes your right is it fair to pay 300 for 6 toys that if released at normal retail would cost no more than 10 each, yes thank you hasbro for making us pay 300 for a collection of 6 to robots made for childen which would only have cost you 10 for each figure and would have made you a ton more money had you released it at retail, also i love the fact your completely ignoring the fact you will need to book flights (more money) hotels (more money) other travel costs to the venue (again more money) obviously money for things such as food and clearly more money for 'just in case' situations. so yeah.....loads of money for a toy that realistically a child should be playing with

sorry but paying 300 for toys is essentially like being raped and then being spat on for good messure only your to dumb to realise you just got screwed outa 300 bucks for £10 each toys when you could have used the 300 for something sensable like - rent/food/your children/your mortgage/pet insurance ect ect

truth is generalstratton is saying it far better than anyone else ive ever seen before but the sad thing is its all these hardcore botcon ect owners who moan and complain like children because a toy they paid 200-300 for has lost slight value because a high quality ko has shown up on the market. If your gona bitch and moan about a toy and the price then dont buy 2nd hand dvds/games or anything else for that matter because the companies dont receive ANY of that money and if your gona then moan about that then it simply makes you a hypocrite

Also kotoys forum isnt that great! ive tried to register there afew times and several times the stupid things acused me of being a sodding bot which ive selected NO to the question - are you a bot.
Ive tried to register there afew times but it just wont let me try anymore and i just get error messages. Its odd because i had no problem registering on the kotoys store section but the forum is just a pain in the ass to deal with.