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Noideaforaname wrote:*shrug* All I know is my favorite TF toys have next-to-nil fiction while my favorite TF characters have toys I'm avoiding like the plague.
Autobot N wrote:Prowl4 wrote:Be calm lads no need to pre order. This thing will soon be on clearance.
I have to disagree with your snarky jab at Victorion, as (at least where I live) Combiner Wars figures are rather rare, with most of them (save a few Scattershots and Skywarps at a Walmart) having been bought already. I anticipate Victorion to sell the same way.
As for the implied meaning of your post, I also disagree there. It actually manages to look pretty good, and I really like the common color scheme. I also like that they removed the lipstick from shades copter girl Stormclash (though I have no idea why). The sword looks freakin' awesome, and I really like the whole combine-to-form weapons thing. Also, as Optibotimus said in his review, the amount of paint on them almost makes it seem more like a Club figure than a retail release.
What surprises me is how much I like this, considering I hated it when it was first announced.
Prowl4 wrote:Autobot N wrote:Prowl4 wrote:Be calm lads no need to pre order. This thing will soon be on clearance.
I have to disagree with your snarky jab at Victorion, as (at least where I live) Combiner Wars figures are rather rare, with most of them (save a few Scattershots and Skywarps at a Walmart) having been bought already. I anticipate Victorion to sell the same way.
As for the implied meaning of your post, I also disagree there. It actually manages to look pretty good, and I really like the common color scheme. I also like that they removed the lipstick from shades copter girl Stormclash (though I have no idea why). The sword looks freakin' awesome, and I really like the whole combine-to-form weapons thing. Also, as Optibotimus said in his review, the amount of paint on them almost makes it seem more like a Club figure than a retail release.
What surprises me is how much I like this, considering I hated it when it was first announced.
As I said it'll go on clearance eventually.
Autobot N wrote:Prowl4 wrote:Autobot N wrote:Prowl4 wrote:Be calm lads no need to pre order. This thing will soon be on clearance.
I have to disagree with your snarky jab at Victorion, as (at least where I live) Combiner Wars figures are rather rare, with most of them (save a few Scattershots and Skywarps at a Walmart) having been bought already. I anticipate Victorion to sell the same way.
As for the implied meaning of your post, I also disagree there. It actually manages to look pretty good, and I really like the common color scheme. I also like that they removed the lipstick from shades copter girl Stormclash (though I have no idea why). The sword looks freakin' awesome, and I really like the whole combine-to-form weapons thing. Also, as Optibotimus said in his review, the amount of paint on them almost makes it seem more like a Club figure than a retail release.
What surprises me is how much I like this, considering I hated it when it was first announced.
As I said it'll go on clearance eventually.
Given that I haven't seen a single CW item stay on the shelf for more than a couple months, I doubt that.
RevTibe wrote:From a large retailer perspective, having the last portion of your stock go on sale is a good thing, yes? What's preferable - buying 2 cases and selling 100% of the items at full price, or buying 3 cases, selling 90% at full price and 10% at a lesser price? Selling all of your stock at full price means you didn't buy enough stock.
In the online marketplace (i.e. large) we see noticeable discounts in the majority of TF items past a certain waiting period, and I doubt Victorion will be an exception (it would be cool if she was, though!).
...you have a very black and white view of the matter, which makes it tricky to explain.Prowl4 wrote:RevTibe wrote:From a large retailer perspective, having the last portion of your stock go on sale is a good thing, yes? What's preferable - buying 2 cases and selling 100% of the items at full price, or buying 3 cases, selling 90% at full price and 10% at a lesser price? Selling all of your stock at full price means you didn't buy enough stock.
In the online marketplace (i.e. large) we see noticeable discounts in the majority of TF items past a certain waiting period, and I doubt Victorion will be an exception (it would be cool if she was, though!).
If something is discounted it stands to reason it's either not selling or retailers want to move it because it's taking up shelf space. Victorion will go on clearance. Smart thing to do by companies is to not order a lot of it imo.
RevTibe wrote:...you have a very black and white view of the matter, which makes it tricky to explain.Prowl4 wrote:RevTibe wrote:From a large retailer perspective, having the last portion of your stock go on sale is a good thing, yes? What's preferable - buying 2 cases and selling 100% of the items at full price, or buying 3 cases, selling 90% at full price and 10% at a lesser price? Selling all of your stock at full price means you didn't buy enough stock.
In the online marketplace (i.e. large) we see noticeable discounts in the majority of TF items past a certain waiting period, and I doubt Victorion will be an exception (it would be cool if she was, though!).
If something is discounted it stands to reason it's either not selling or retailers want to move it because it's taking up shelf space. Victorion will go on clearance. Smart thing to do by companies is to not order a lot of it imo.
Yes, the "leftovers" which sell more slowly following the initial rush/supply can be called "unwanted product" - but this isn't necessarily a flaw in the product.
It is more profitable to order just a bit too much of a product than a bit too little. No retailer can perfectly estimate the exact number of a product they will sell, after all.
If there are no leftovers, no "unwanted product", then that almost certainly means the retailer ordered too little of the product - that they didn't profit as much as they could have if they had ordered slightly too much.
In short, having "unwanted product" is part of the plan. Yes, retailers might sometimes overestimate the ideal supply by a good portion, but unfortunately the data to accurately analyze that isn't available.
If it were a logical view, it would not have a massive logical flaw - the fact that it is nigh-impossible to accurately, exactly predict that demand.Prowl4 wrote:RevTibe wrote:...you have a very black and white view of the matter, which makes it tricky to explain.Prowl4 wrote:RevTibe wrote:From a large retailer perspective, having the last portion of your stock go on sale is a good thing, yes? What's preferable - buying 2 cases and selling 100% of the items at full price, or buying 3 cases, selling 90% at full price and 10% at a lesser price? Selling all of your stock at full price means you didn't buy enough stock.
In the online marketplace (i.e. large) we see noticeable discounts in the majority of TF items past a certain waiting period, and I doubt Victorion will be an exception (it would be cool if she was, though!).
If something is discounted it stands to reason it's either not selling or retailers want to move it because it's taking up shelf space. Victorion will go on clearance. Smart thing to do by companies is to not order a lot of it imo.
Yes, the "leftovers" which sell more slowly following the initial rush/supply can be called "unwanted product" - but this isn't necessarily a flaw in the product.
It is more profitable to order just a bit too much of a product than a bit too little. No retailer can perfectly estimate the exact number of a product they will sell, after all.
If there are no leftovers, no "unwanted product", then that almost certainly means the retailer ordered too little of the product - that they didn't profit as much as they could have if they had ordered slightly too much.
In short, having "unwanted product" is part of the plan. Yes, retailers might sometimes overestimate the ideal supply by a good portion, but unfortunately the data to accurately analyze that isn't available.
It's a logical view. I'd sooner, as a business, order just enough to sell rather than buy too much.
Of course businesses aren't overstocking it. No one here's saying businesses should overstock. I'm just pointing out that a product being discounted doesn't indicate it's a failure.Prowl4 wrote:Lets face it this thing isn't hyped to bits or universally wanted nor exciting a lot of fans. Smart thing for businesses to do is order a few and be done with it. I don't see it selling well. It's exciting a minority of people so the businesses would be bonkers to over stock it.
Autobot N wrote:Prowl4 wrote:As I said it'll go on clearance eventually.
Given that I haven't seen a single CW item stay on the shelf for more than a couple months, I doubt that.
If they've been in the stores, then they've been bought to quickly for me to see them. However, I did see a few Devastators that flew off the shelves of TRU.william-james88 wrote:Also, Autobot N, have the G2 Superions and Menasors been bought off the shelves quickly? I ask because that is the only thing in the CW line that is comparable to Victorion, since they are also big ticket boxsets.
RevTibe wrote:If it were a logical view, it would not have a massive logical flaw - the fact that it is nigh-impossible to accurately, exactly predict that demand.Prowl4 wrote:RevTibe wrote:...you have a very black and white view of the matter, which makes it tricky to explain.Prowl4 wrote:RevTibe wrote:From a large retailer perspective, having the last portion of your stock go on sale is a good thing, yes? What's preferable - buying 2 cases and selling 100% of the items at full price, or buying 3 cases, selling 90% at full price and 10% at a lesser price? Selling all of your stock at full price means you didn't buy enough stock.
In the online marketplace (i.e. large) we see noticeable discounts in the majority of TF items past a certain waiting period, and I doubt Victorion will be an exception (it would be cool if she was, though!).
If something is discounted it stands to reason it's either not selling or retailers want to move it because it's taking up shelf space. Victorion will go on clearance. Smart thing to do by companies is to not order a lot of it imo.
Yes, the "leftovers" which sell more slowly following the initial rush/supply can be called "unwanted product" - but this isn't necessarily a flaw in the product.
It is more profitable to order just a bit too much of a product than a bit too little. No retailer can perfectly estimate the exact number of a product they will sell, after all.
If there are no leftovers, no "unwanted product", then that almost certainly means the retailer ordered too little of the product - that they didn't profit as much as they could have if they had ordered slightly too much.
In short, having "unwanted product" is part of the plan. Yes, retailers might sometimes overestimate the ideal supply by a good portion, but unfortunately the data to accurately analyze that isn't available.
It's a logical view. I'd sooner, as a business, order just enough to sell rather than buy too much.
How do you propose a business finds out how much is "just enough to sell"? With all the incredibly difficult to measure factors involved in gauging what can affect consumer behaviour here, it is all a business can do to roughly predict a range that they should order within.
There are no tools that can say "We should order 10 cases." - the most they can do is predict "We should probably order between 7 and 13 cases." In these instances, retailers typically lean towards oversupply instead of undersupply.Of course businesses aren't overstocking it. No one here's saying businesses should overstock. I'm just pointing out that a product being discounted doesn't indicate it's a failure.Prowl4 wrote:Lets face it this thing isn't hyped to bits or universally wanted nor exciting a lot of fans. Smart thing for businesses to do is order a few and be done with it. I don't see it selling well. It's exciting a minority of people so the businesses would be bonkers to over stock it.
RevTibe wrote:If it were a logical view, it would not have a massive logical flaw - the fact that it is nigh-impossible to accurately, exactly predict that demand.Prowl4 wrote:RevTibe wrote:...you have a very black and white view of the matter, which makes it tricky to explain.Prowl4 wrote:RevTibe wrote:From a large retailer perspective, having the last portion of your stock go on sale is a good thing, yes? What's preferable - buying 2 cases and selling 100% of the items at full price, or buying 3 cases, selling 90% at full price and 10% at a lesser price? Selling all of your stock at full price means you didn't buy enough stock.
In the online marketplace (i.e. large) we see noticeable discounts in the majority of TF items past a certain waiting period, and I doubt Victorion will be an exception (it would be cool if she was, though!).
If something is discounted it stands to reason it's either not selling or retailers want to move it because it's taking up shelf space. Victorion will go on clearance. Smart thing to do by companies is to not order a lot of it imo.
Yes, the "leftovers" which sell more slowly following the initial rush/supply can be called "unwanted product" - but this isn't necessarily a flaw in the product.
It is more profitable to order just a bit too much of a product than a bit too little. No retailer can perfectly estimate the exact number of a product they will sell, after all.
If there are no leftovers, no "unwanted product", then that almost certainly means the retailer ordered too little of the product - that they didn't profit as much as they could have if they had ordered slightly too much.
In short, having "unwanted product" is part of the plan. Yes, retailers might sometimes overestimate the ideal supply by a good portion, but unfortunately the data to accurately analyze that isn't available.
It's a logical view. I'd sooner, as a business, order just enough to sell rather than buy too much.
How do you propose a business finds out how much is "just enough to sell"? With all the incredibly difficult to measure factors involved in gauging what can affect consumer behaviour here, it is all a business can do to roughly predict a range that they should order within.
There are no tools that can say "We should order 10 cases." - the most they can do is predict "We should probably order between 7 and 13 cases." In these instances, retailers typically lean towards oversupply instead of undersupply.Of course businesses aren't overstocking it. No one here's saying businesses should overstock. I'm just pointing out that a product being discounted doesn't indicate it's a failure.Prowl4 wrote:Lets face it this thing isn't hyped to bits or universally wanted nor exciting a lot of fans. Smart thing for businesses to do is order a few and be done with it. I don't see it selling well. It's exciting a minority of people so the businesses would be bonkers to over stock it.
william-james88 wrote:Autobot N wrote:Prowl4 wrote:As I said it'll go on clearance eventually.
Given that I haven't seen a single CW item stay on the shelf for more than a couple months, I doubt that.
Why are we using random local stores as evidence? And why ar we comparing CW deluxes and voyagers to a 100$ box set that parents probably arent as likely to buy? And plus, item could go on clearance online. Both Takara Menasor and Superion became clearance items online, and of course they couldnt be on store shelves. I bought Encore Fort Max on clearance and he was never in a store, how is one automatically related to another. With a less hyperbolic example, Devastator went on an insane clearance and he wasnt much on store shelves either. How many Year of the Goat exclusives have people seen on the shelves? Guess what, they are still going on clearance. Most big ticket items that are for a small group of people will eventually go on clearance. The G2 Combiners and Victorion will go on clearance too, and you might not even see them in stores.
Also, Autobot N, have the G2 Superions and Menasors been bought off the shelves quickly? I ask because that is the only thing in the CW line that is comparable to Victorion, since they are also big ticket boxsets.
Autobot N wrote:If they've been in the stores, then they've been bought to quickly for me to see them. However, I did see a few Devastators that flew off the shelves of TRU.william-james88 wrote:Also, Autobot N, have the G2 Superions and Menasors been bought off the shelves quickly? I ask because that is the only thing in the CW line that is comparable to Victorion, since they are also big ticket boxsets.
Your statement “I'd sooner, as a business, order just enough to sell rather than buy too much.” assumes businesses can accurately predict the exact amount a product will sell. That’s flawed. You estimate a range, and order in the lower or higher portions of that range.Prowl4 wrote:No flaws to my reasoning at all. The product has no buzz, it has generated none to very little excitement. Hasbro know how little this thing is wanted as do retailers I'm sure. Retailers are not stupid they know what's in demand and what's not.
...what?Prowl4 wrote:Sometimes I think Mairghread scott has multiple profiles on these pages.
Take a chill pill.Prowl4 wrote:this awful stain on the fabric of Transformers.
RevTibe wrote:Your statement “I'd sooner, as a business, order just enough to sell rather than buy too much.” assumes businesses can accurately predict the exact amount a product will sell. That’s flawed. You estimate a range, and order in the lower or higher portions of that range.Prowl4 wrote:No flaws to my reasoning at all. The product has no buzz, it has generated none to very little excitement. Hasbro know how little this thing is wanted as do retailers I'm sure. Retailers are not stupid they know what's in demand and what's not.
Additionally, I never mentioned anything about it being a high-demand item. I’m not sure if anyone has - it's more of a specialty product, a la Computron and G2 Menasor/Superion. I was simply pointing out that your logic regarding a product going on clearance was flawed, and you're drawing sweeping conclusions with insufficient data....what?Prowl4 wrote:Sometimes I think Mairghread scott has multiple profiles on these pages.Take a chill pill.Prowl4 wrote:this awful stain on the fabric of Transformers.
We're talking big brand stores here, Amazons, Wal-marts etc. Yes, smaller businesses are more conservative in their estimates, but that's not relevant here. Besides, by your logic, Devastator was "unwanted" - he's on clearance with big name sites!Prowl4 wrote:You ever work in business? I can tell you I worked in a business and that's how they ran things and were very successful. No business wants a product that has no hype, buzz or possibility of selling well in high quantities so they will order the bare minimum, if they're smart. So not flawed at all.
I know it's a swipe, but that doesn't stop it from being baffling. "You must be a Transformers author I personally dislike!" "A" for effort, I guess.Prowl4 wrote:The mairghread scott comment is a swipe.
Of course I'm not using only the stores around me. I've been to many stores in different places in the US like Orange County, Knoxville, and others, and the only CW figures that shelfwarmed were the W1 Voyagers and the W4 Deluxes.Prowl4 wrote:I agree, using ones own store is arrogance and ignorance. If that was the case here in Ireland was so popular with Combiner wars we skipped wave 2 and 3 and went straight to wave 4.
RevTibe wrote:We're talking big brand stores here, Amazons, Wal-marts etc. Yes, smaller businesses are more conservative in their estimates, but that's not relevant here. Besides, by your logic, Devastator was "unwanted" - he's on clearance with big name sites!Prowl4 wrote:You ever work in business? I can tell you I worked in a business and that's how they ran things and were very successful. No business wants a product that has no hype, buzz or possibility of selling well in high quantities so they will order the bare minimum, if they're smart. So not flawed at all.
I know it's a swipe, but that doesn't stop it from being baffling. "You must be a Transformers author I personally dislike!" "A" for effort, I guess.Prowl4 wrote:The mairghread scott comment is a swipe.
Mr Skram wrote:Prowl4 has convinced me. I'm getting Victorion.
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Prowl4 wrote:Mr Skram wrote:Prowl4 has convinced me. I'm getting Victorion.
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