Autobot032 wrote:No, this is too real to be a manufactured reality. If it were manufactured, it would be a lot more pleasant than it is. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy life, but there'd be no suffering.
AfterImage wrote:How do I know that you really exist, and that the whole thing's not being put on just for my benefit?
Dark Zarak wrote:The world came into being at 10:00pm PDT, Tuesday, July 29, 1980 AD, on the Gregorian Calendar. Everything before that, including so called "older" people, were put there as if the world had been there.
You think you have memories of the Ford administration? Eisenhower? No you don't. Never happened. You're just telling me you do. Now Reagan I'll believe. Even some of Carter. John Lennon really did exist for a few months, but not the Beatles.
SoulOfPrimus wrote:Tammuz wrote:...something made the rules, we don't know what they are.
Yeah we do
NightBreaker wrote:Marginally possible, but extremely unlikely, for all the reasons that Hugo stated.
And the Matrix movies were stupid.
Tammuz wrote:true, we cannot choose who we are hugo, but what are we but the sum of our choices?
just becuase something was true in the matrix does not mean it is true for all siulated realities, something made the rules, we don't know what they are.
Furthermore, the design argument is based on an incomplete analogy: because of our experience with objects, we can recognise human-designed ones, comparing for example a pile of stones and a brick wall. But in order to point to a designed Universe, we would need to have an experience of a range of different universes. As we only experience one, the analogy cannot be applied.
Tammuz wrote:ah but hugo, what if the subconcious is also part of the simulated reality? your using our reality as an example of an actual reality and the matrix as an example of simulated reality, I'm leaving our reality out of it as it's the only reality i've expiereince of and thus am unable to define if this reality is simulated or not, for i have no standard for simulated reality or actual reality, i only have a this reality and any notions of simulated or actuality are of this reality and could very well be either depending on wether this reality is actual or simulated.
to simplyfy we can't know if this reality is actual or simulated becuase we are part of it, if its simulated then what we consider real is simulated and we have no actual model of a actual reality, if it's actual then we have no actual model of simulated reality
we have one reality, without other realities owe can not make a judgment of the nature of our own, it would be like asking a person with monochrome vision what colour something is
one might as well ask if this reality is Blerg or cupla?
EDIT: i think Hume said it bestFurthermore, the design argument is based on an incomplete analogy: because of our experience with objects, we can recognise human-designed ones, comparing for example a pile of stones and a brick wall. But in order to point to a designed Universe, we would need to have an experience of a range of different universes. As we only experience one, the analogy cannot be applied.
Senor Hugo wrote:Tammuz wrote:ah but hugo, what if the subconcious is also part of the simulated reality? your using our reality as an example of an actual reality and the matrix as an example of simulated reality, I'm leaving our reality out of it as it's the only reality i've expiereince of and thus am unable to define if this reality is simulated or not, for i have no standard for simulated reality or actual reality, i only have a this reality and any notions of simulated or actuality are of this reality and could very well be either depending on wether this reality is actual or simulated.
to simplyfy we can't know if this reality is actual or simulated becuase we are part of it, if its simulated then what we consider real is simulated and we have no actual model of a actual reality, if it's actual then we have no actual model of simulated reality
we have one reality, without other realities owe can not make a judgment of the nature of our own, it would be like asking a person with monochrome vision what colour something is
one might as well ask if this reality is Blerg or cupla?
EDIT: i think Hume said it bestFurthermore, the design argument is based on an incomplete analogy: because of our experience with objects, we can recognise human-designed ones, comparing for example a pile of stones and a brick wall. But in order to point to a designed Universe, we would need to have an experience of a range of different universes. As we only experience one, the analogy cannot be applied.
I had to think long and hard to reply to this one.
If our subconscious is infact part of the simulated reality, then that would make us part of the simulation programming.
Since a simulation is an imitation to the highest degree to provide the most real experience possible. Then to what end would it serve to have our subconscious as apart of a simulated reality.
It would take away from the "reality" of the simulation. If this is a simulated world and we are a unknowing part of the simulation, then we can assume, that whoever created this reality for us didn't want to interfere with us, otherwise there would be no point in a simulation.
To have our subconscious, while debatable as to what it actually is, a part of the program that controls this reality, this would....tamper, with the reality.
This of course would only work and is dependant on why we are in this simulated world, why the creators of this simulated reality chose for it to be a simulation. Luckily, theres only a handful of reasons why. Either we're an experiment being tested. Enslaved for heat or some other purpose like in The Matrix. Or for some third reason which I cannot think of.
So of course in the experiment scenario, having our subconscious as apart of the reality, would ruin the experiments outcome.
I agree with you that I'm using this reality as a basis, since it's the only reality I know, simulated or no, it's still our reality, so to argue that point would just lead in circles.
So I can only go from what I know, and what I think, which I've already stated.
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