Dear Jack
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Dear Jack
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Hi. How's it going. You may remember I mentioned that you should level HallowJack up. And you whined about how he's perfectly legal because he only has however many upgrades are required for level 7 without going to level 8.
First thing, this is my personal view on it. It has no bearings to anything else, which I will cover later. You claim that you want us to get off the Decepticon's tit or whatever, so we have to be stronger. But with what you're doing, you're not making that possible. You're creating a bottle neck. Con's have to build to face you, so when they face weaker, legit level 7s, then the other Autobots suffer. You are also depriving the other Autobots experience from healing you. And yes, sitting at a lower level beating on weaker opponents makes you a coward and a bully, and worse, hurts your fellow Autobots on the two fronts of forcing stronger opponents and slowing their growth. That's the first thing, and I started with it because it's just my opinion.
The second thing is there are actual level caps in the game, beyond just upgrades. The XP level cap for level 6 is 25 million XP. That means once you hit that, you automatically go to level 7. Now, unfortunately, the cap only takes effect if you reset, so there are ways to exploit it. And the caps for 7-10 seem to be broken. So much like time you pitched a fit about people changing their alt mode images, you are taking advantage of an exploit, or more exactly, a glitch in the game. The cap for level 7 should be around 75 million as memory serves on the mater, with 8's being approximately 140-150 million. Now, this may not seem fair that you should be forced to level up, but, those caps are more than generous and were put in place because people refused to level up and kept creating bottle necks and forcing everyone to deal with their power gaming.
I have spoken to mods about this. And they are aware that the caps above level 7 are broken with no way to fix them with the broken moderator panel, but were letting people slide on the honor system. It seems that system has been broken. So, please kindly level up. Your fellow Autobots would thank you. We wouldn't want people to think you were a hypocrite and didn't follow the rules yourself.
First thing, this is my personal view on it. It has no bearings to anything else, which I will cover later. You claim that you want us to get off the Decepticon's tit or whatever, so we have to be stronger. But with what you're doing, you're not making that possible. You're creating a bottle neck. Con's have to build to face you, so when they face weaker, legit level 7s, then the other Autobots suffer. You are also depriving the other Autobots experience from healing you. And yes, sitting at a lower level beating on weaker opponents makes you a coward and a bully, and worse, hurts your fellow Autobots on the two fronts of forcing stronger opponents and slowing their growth. That's the first thing, and I started with it because it's just my opinion.
The second thing is there are actual level caps in the game, beyond just upgrades. The XP level cap for level 6 is 25 million XP. That means once you hit that, you automatically go to level 7. Now, unfortunately, the cap only takes effect if you reset, so there are ways to exploit it. And the caps for 7-10 seem to be broken. So much like time you pitched a fit about people changing their alt mode images, you are taking advantage of an exploit, or more exactly, a glitch in the game. The cap for level 7 should be around 75 million as memory serves on the mater, with 8's being approximately 140-150 million. Now, this may not seem fair that you should be forced to level up, but, those caps are more than generous and were put in place because people refused to level up and kept creating bottle necks and forcing everyone to deal with their power gaming.
I have spoken to mods about this. And they are aware that the caps above level 7 are broken with no way to fix them with the broken moderator panel, but were letting people slide on the honor system. It seems that system has been broken. So, please kindly level up. Your fellow Autobots would thank you. We wouldn't want people to think you were a hypocrite and didn't follow the rules yourself.
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tl;dr.
i’ll address a couple parts i skimmed over though.
1) come off it. the build is legal. as i said, HallowJack has 67 upgrades. his total build costs just under 38 million xp. i built him up to max level 7 stats and left him untouched. i didn’t reformat him from a higher level to make him 7. i didn’t utilize some backdoor to keep him level 7 when he should have leveled up. i simply left him untouched after submitting the 67th and final upgrade of level 7. that’s all.
what you’re doing though, is whining about the same slag your rdd mates have been whining about. so you can bring this back to them: how i choose to legally level my team is how i will legally level my team. and if i choose not to level one bot, i won’t. end of story.
2) don’t equate me sitting on experience points with a completely legal build, with someone taking direct action to bypass the normal functions of the game. there is no “rule” against sitting on experience points, but there is a rule against exploiting loopholes:
that being said, there was never a feature that automatically upgraded a bot when it reached a certain number of experience points, so there is no loophole or glitch i’m exploiting. when i upgrade HallowJack, he will jump to the level his experience dictates and he will stay at that level. until i choose to do that, he will stay as is. end of story.
lastly, you’re not speaking for “[my] fellow Autobots.” you’re speaking for the rdd. and you lot can call me what you want.
now, there are multiple events taking place and i don’t have time to play bumper cars with you anymore.
if you’ve got something else to drone about, you’re going to have to wait till this is over, because i’m not going to jeopardize the one victory the Autobots can pull off because you wish to take my focus off of the task at hand.
good day.
i’ll address a couple parts i skimmed over though.
1) come off it. the build is legal. as i said, HallowJack has 67 upgrades. his total build costs just under 38 million xp. i built him up to max level 7 stats and left him untouched. i didn’t reformat him from a higher level to make him 7. i didn’t utilize some backdoor to keep him level 7 when he should have leveled up. i simply left him untouched after submitting the 67th and final upgrade of level 7. that’s all.
what you’re doing though, is whining about the same slag your rdd mates have been whining about. so you can bring this back to them: how i choose to legally level my team is how i will legally level my team. and if i choose not to level one bot, i won’t. end of story.
2) don’t equate me sitting on experience points with a completely legal build, with someone taking direct action to bypass the normal functions of the game. there is no “rule” against sitting on experience points, but there is a rule against exploiting loopholes:
SECTION 4 - HMW Game Rules
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- Exploiting a glitch or loop hole in the game's programming to take any action that is not within the normal parameters of game play.
that being said, there was never a feature that automatically upgraded a bot when it reached a certain number of experience points, so there is no loophole or glitch i’m exploiting. when i upgrade HallowJack, he will jump to the level his experience dictates and he will stay at that level. until i choose to do that, he will stay as is. end of story.
lastly, you’re not speaking for “[my] fellow Autobots.” you’re speaking for the rdd. and you lot can call me what you want.
now, there are multiple events taking place and i don’t have time to play bumper cars with you anymore.
if you’ve got something else to drone about, you’re going to have to wait till this is over, because i’m not going to jeopardize the one victory the Autobots can pull off because you wish to take my focus off of the task at hand.
good day.
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Jack Hallows wrote:
2) don’t equate me sitting on experience points with a completely legal build, with someone taking direct action to bypass the normal functions of the game. there is no “rule” against sitting on experience points, but there is a rule against exploiting loopholes:SECTION 4 - HMW Game Rules
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- Exploiting a glitch or loop hole in the game's programming to take any action that is not within the normal parameters of game play.
that being said, there was never a feature that automatically upgraded a bot when it reached a certain number of experience points, so there is no loophole or glitch i’m exploiting. when i upgrade HallowJack, he will jump to the level his experience dictates and he will stay at that level. until i choose to do that, he will stay as is. end of story.
I'm just going to respond to this right now. Actually, there is. If you reset right now, you'd be at least level 7, with 0 upgrades. Suck it Trabek.
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Re: Dear Jack
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Jack Hallows wrote:tl;dr.
Funny considering how long winded you seem to be when whining about how it's so unfair how people where using copy paste to get alt modes.
i’ll address a couple parts i skimmed over though.
You really should have read it all. It was some of my best work.
1) come off it. the build is legal. as i said, HallowJack has 67 upgrades. his total build costs just under 38 million xp. i built him up to max level 7 stats and left him untouched. i didn’t reformat him from a higher level to make him 7. i didn’t utilize some backdoor to keep him level 7 when he should have leveled up. i simply left him untouched after submitting the 67th and final upgrade of level 7. that’s all.
While you are correct in that 67 upgrades does make a level 7, what you ignore is that there is actually level caps for how much experience you can spend on levels. For instance, the highest working cap right now is 25 million which puts you at level 7 with 0 upgrades. Not 67, ZERO. The level caps for 7-10 are broken and we have no way of fixing them with a broken mod panel. However, ignoring their existance simply because you're either ignorant of them or willfully cheating doesn't change the fact that there are experience caps for levels. This was done specifically to prevent people in the past from sitting at levels and bullying weaker builds. As you are currently doing. You do not have the privilege of ignoring rules you don't want enforced on you, while demanding others bow to rules you want enforced on them. That is called being a hypocrite. And while that does fit in with the old guard of how the Autobots did things, those people largely were removed from the game for cheating or being arsehats.
what you’re doing though, is whining about the same slag your rdd mates have been whining about. so you can bring this back to them: how i choose to legally level my team is how i will legally level my team. and if i choose not to level one bot, i won’t. end of story.
Given how you whined your way into pissing everyone off, and demanded other follow rules that actually weren't there, you are one to talk. However, one man's whining is another man's demand for fairplay.
2) don’t equate me sitting on experience points with a completely legal build, with someone taking direct action to bypass the normal functions of the game. there is no “rule” against sitting on experience points, but there is a rule against exploiting loopholes:SECTION 4 - HMW Game Rules
PARTS
- Exploiting a glitch or loop hole in the game's programming to take any action that is not within the normal parameters of game play.
Actually, as I have already said, there is a rule about sitting on experience points. There is a game mechanic for it, that is broken or not working. Basically, you're using the loophole/exploit of a broken mechanic to cheat.
that being said, there was never a feature that automatically upgraded a bot when it reached a certain number of experience points, so there is no loophole or glitch i’m exploiting. when i upgrade HallowJack, he will jump to the level his experience dictates and he will stay at that level. until i choose to do that, he will stay as is. end of story.
Once again, there is. Reset anyone over 25 million, and they will automatically be leveled to 6 with no upgrades. The higher level caps are broken and unable to be fixed until the mod panel functionality is repaired.
lastly, you’re not speaking for “[my] fellow Autobots.” you’re speaking for the rdd. and you lot can call me what you want.
As the previously appointed Autobot Savior (you may have missed that, it was when the Maximals were folded into the Autobots) I can pretty assuredly claim that I do, far better than you. Plus, I have rules on my side. I don't need any of my RDD mates, or did you notice I posted this in Iacon and not the general forum. I don't need to try to call in others.
Sorry, I thought you had at least 20- minutes to kill between deployments. Didn't realize you couldn't multitask like everyone else who plays this game.now, there are multiple events taking place and i don’t have time to play bumper cars with you anymore.
if you’ve got something else to drone about, you’re going to have to wait till this is over, because i’m not going to jeopardize the one victory the Autobots can pull off because you wish to take my focus off of the task at hand.
good day.
To be honest, Steve has been doing a better job than you. If I wanted to, I could to. But that's just because I've won events before on my own, and out numbered. Comes with the territory of being Autobot Savior and HMW legend. I even used to have the sigs for it, gifted to me by my fellow Autobots.
But in all seriousness. Level up. You are breaking the rules. There are level caps for experience points. If you don't, well, I can't say what will happen.
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Re: Dear Jack
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tl;dr.
i’ll address a couple parts i skimmed over though.
the alt exploit issue is resolved. not my problem if you’re butthurt that you have to work for what you want as opposed to doing the mods job for them.
show me exactly where the “rule” for sitting on experience points is. it’s frowned upon by some, sure. but it’s not a cheat. this has been stated as recently as 2018.
i’m absolutely thrilled that other Autobots are doing well. who wouldn’t be happy that others from the same faction are doing better than them? you haven’t heard me once claim to be better than others, so your strawman argument is as flimsy as your attempts at spouting past accolades as a means of showing how superior you are to me lol.
so, whenever you’re finished milking yourself, please use the buffer in the corner clean the fluids from the floor.
also, i do multitask in between missions. it’s called living real life.
now, as previously stated, i don’t have time for your negativity, especially now that Autobots are actually doing something constructive as a faction; so, i won’t be spending anymore of my time addressing your unsubstantiated and subjective claims.
show some proof, like i have constantly done, and then we can move forward.
toodles.
i’ll address a couple parts i skimmed over though.
the alt exploit issue is resolved. not my problem if you’re butthurt that you have to work for what you want as opposed to doing the mods job for them.
show me exactly where the “rule” for sitting on experience points is. it’s frowned upon by some, sure. but it’s not a cheat. this has been stated as recently as 2018.
i’m absolutely thrilled that other Autobots are doing well. who wouldn’t be happy that others from the same faction are doing better than them? you haven’t heard me once claim to be better than others, so your strawman argument is as flimsy as your attempts at spouting past accolades as a means of showing how superior you are to me lol.
so, whenever you’re finished milking yourself, please use the buffer in the corner clean the fluids from the floor.
also, i do multitask in between missions. it’s called living real life.
now, as previously stated, i don’t have time for your negativity, especially now that Autobots are actually doing something constructive as a faction; so, i won’t be spending anymore of my time addressing your unsubstantiated and subjective claims.
show some proof, like i have constantly done, and then we can move forward.
toodles.
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There is a hard cap. It is broken at higher levels.
The same loophole in the rules you cited about the alt modes, which wasn't against the rules. The XP was made to avoid people bottlenecking. Now, I suggest you level up, before something bad happens.
In case you were wondering, there is also an exploit to avoid the level cap. Then again, you alt/wife/whatever seems to be exploiting that, she should also level up to her minimum level, which is not 0.
These are the working XP caps that you can still manipulate to get below. As you obviously know.
Level 0<40,000
Level 1<350,000
Level 2<750,000
Level 3<2,000,000
Level 4<4,500,000
Level 5<10,000,000
Level 6<25,000,000
The not working caps would be the following.
Level 7<75,000,000
Level 8<130,000,000
Level 9<210,000,000
Level 10<300,000,000
As you can see, the caps are more than generous for making high powered builds. Those caps are not spent XP either, it is possessed XP. So simply sitting on the XP would still level you up.
Now, there are a few loopholes that keep the cap from working. First, the script can't level you if you don't reset. Second, if you apply your tactics after your upgrades, it bugs the cap and keeps you at your upgrade level. I know you're aware of those two. And third, the caps for 7 and higher are broken and not working. Creating yet another loophole that you are exploiting. Exclusively against HMW war rules, section 4 section b and the following subsection.
SECTION 4 - HMW Game Rules
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A - You may not exploit an "Unfair Advantage" in the game by:
- Sharing your account with another individual. This is considered cheating, even if it is only to have someone ‘baby-sit’ your team while you are on vacation.
- Creating programs (scripts, macros, hacks, virus's etc.) to play the game for you or to cheat by harming other player's accounts or altering your own.
- Exploiting a glitch or loop hole in the game's programming to access weapons you do not have the FP/SK requirements to access, upgrade stats and tactics past 10, upgrade stats and tactics beyond what your bot’s xp allows, activate more than 6 bots at a time or, in short, take any other action that is not within the normal parameters of game play.
B - If you discover a glitch in the game that allows your bots to be given an unfair advantage, regardless of how minor it may be, you MUST report it immediately and cease taking advantage of the exploit immediately. If you do so there will be no consequences.
Note: Unfair Advantages that You have No Control Over
These will occasionally emerge as the result of programming changes or maintenance by the game's administrators. You should contact a Moderator as soon as possible to help you correct these issues.
The same loophole in the rules you cited about the alt modes, which wasn't against the rules. The XP was made to avoid people bottlenecking. Now, I suggest you level up, before something bad happens.
In case you were wondering, there is also an exploit to avoid the level cap. Then again, you alt/wife/whatever seems to be exploiting that, she should also level up to her minimum level, which is not 0.
These are the working XP caps that you can still manipulate to get below. As you obviously know.
Level 0<40,000
Level 1<350,000
Level 2<750,000
Level 3<2,000,000
Level 4<4,500,000
Level 5<10,000,000
Level 6<25,000,000
The not working caps would be the following.
Level 7<75,000,000
Level 8<130,000,000
Level 9<210,000,000
Level 10<300,000,000
As you can see, the caps are more than generous for making high powered builds. Those caps are not spent XP either, it is possessed XP. So simply sitting on the XP would still level you up.
Now, there are a few loopholes that keep the cap from working. First, the script can't level you if you don't reset. Second, if you apply your tactics after your upgrades, it bugs the cap and keeps you at your upgrade level. I know you're aware of those two. And third, the caps for 7 and higher are broken and not working. Creating yet another loophole that you are exploiting. Exclusively against HMW war rules, section 4 section b and the following subsection.
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Go ahead, TL;DR it. Ignorance of the rules does not make you innocent of violating them. Though we also have some evidence of willful violation.
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Absolute Zero wrote:Go ahead, TL;DR it.
why would i? i asked for something and you attempted to provide it, of course i’m going to give it the time it deserves. i do advocate for civility, after all.
Absolute Zero wrote:The same loophole in the rules you cited about the alt modes, which wasn't against the rules.
if you look at the two, they are completely different.
what i am doing, level sitting, is not an unfair advantage. any and every player is fully capable of level sitting. the question is if they want to or not, as most times they do not. the extra experience offers no “unfair” advantage. unfair about what? the fact that you played more than someone else?
Discharge has had a level 0 Con for longer than HallowJack’s been a level 7; with all the talk of how much level 0 sucks and how people should level, i haven’t seen anyone go at him for having the highest level 0 in the game at over 300k experience points. personal note: i have no problem with what Discharge is doing, but it’s being used as a point of reference. there are Autobots with personal goals of beating his level 0 high score, so that’s cool.
also, no one is having a go at Redimus for constantly reformatting his high levels to level 2 when it suits their faction event goals.
by contrast, my Kup character (who is the product of an alt hunt, and thus can’t be reformatted) got called out for being a level 3 with 3 million xp, all of which Kup earned while being level 3. i listened to people’s personal complaints about it and leveled him after making sure the other low level Autobots wouldn’t be constantly smashed in missions. i do try to be civil.
In case you were wondering, there is also an exploit to avoid the level cap. Then again, you alt/wife/whatever seems to be exploiting that
she’s no one who concerns you. this is between you and i. also, that exploit you’re referring to is one that was brought to light this year. and do you know how? just like the alt exploit, your rdd mates came here doing it; targeting players who are allies of mine. this is indisputable. so you can chalk that up to a new player fighting fire with fire in order to stand a chance.
also, it’s famously clear that i don’t know much about the mechanical aspects of HMW. it wasn’t until the alt exploit was exposed that actual conversation about the inner workings of HMW became public... at least in recent times.
anyway, level sitting is drastically different from the alt exploit. there is explicit language prohibiting the alt exploit,
SECTION 4 - HMW Game Rules
PARTS
- Exploiting a glitch or loop hole in the game's programming to take any action that is not within the normal parameters of game play.
it’s natural for the alts to roll over and you pick some newness. it’s not natural to make the action of copying and pasting links to get new things not available regularly. which is exactly what happened.
also, if any player is able to the the job of the moderator, it makes their role obsolete and takes guaranteed traffic (alt hunts) away from the forums.
level sitting is not “unfair” (it’s not a secret action, everyone can do it) and it’s not taking an unnatural action. it’s staying still.
simply sitting on the XP would still level you up.
show me a link or a post of this being explicitly stated. that is the objective proof i’m asking for. the same that i always provide. otherwise it looks like you’re just singling me out out of anger and holding me to a standard you won’t hold others to; explicitly, your tagmates, since every con is rdd.
Ignorance of the rules does not make you innocent of violating them. Though we also have some evidence of willful violation.
now you’re trying to be pushy. like i stated in my last post: as of 2018, this month to be exact, it’s been posted that it’s not cheating. so there’s no “willful violation” of anything.
please note that i might not be responding to this thread until this event phase is finished. it’s getting down to the wire and i don’t need distractions.
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You tl;dr commented on the previous posts, and they all contained the exact same facts.
Red reformats to level 2 for the same reason I currently am. Cross faction experimenting on how the maths work. For instance, we are currently testing the effectiveness of rank 10 armor. I don't know if you noticed, but 10 rank 2 strength is not a good build at any level. We also are doing so with mod permission. we were keeping it quite until we had more data, but the decision has been made to go public. A lot has broken in the game over the years. A lot has also been changed, and the previous work done has been lost to resets and time. So there's that.
Second, it really bothers me how you ignore the fact I have told you in every post that there is a hard cap for XP, an -actual- in code rule for it. The fact that you are exploiting that it is broken at higher levels. I even provided you with the actual numbers. If you would like proof, I will reset someone and screenshot my level with 0 upgrades. Exploiting the broken code is still an exploit. You are guilt of that whether you agree or not.
Also, don't assume I didn't call people out on it in Darkmount. You are not the first person I have called out about this, the difference being, code was actually added since the last time I called out Autobots for it. That code was added specifically because RevengeOfStarscream was sitting at level 1 with 2 million XP and refused to level up. As I said, the caps are more than generous. I am not telling you to level to 11, as you very easily could. I'm telling you to at least level up to the cap, which would put you at level 9, at the least.
And, as I am sure you know, there is an exploit for cheating those hard caps. As evidenced by https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=510337 and the current build https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=105655 . 100,000 is well above the level 0 cap of 40,000 by more than twice, and appears to have reset since they would have been over 40,000 xp, and used an exploit to remain at 0. Since it seems pretty far fetched to believe that over 60,000 XP was gained based on activity level of said bot.
You may argue that it gives you no unfair advantage, but that isn't true. You are violating the rules laid out in the code of the game, and as you argued with the alt mode, and the written rules clearly state, no matter how slight the advantage given, it is against the rules to take advantage of a loophole or exploit at risk of a ban. Now, I am not saying you need to be banned either, just that you legitimately run the risk of being banned as you are -clearly- violating the terms and conditions laid out in the forum for playing this game.
Also, we both know the reason Hallowjack is able to stay at 7 with 0 fire power or skill is that you have a prototype weapon equipped. It would be a shame if those prototypes were brought up to damage appropriate equipment requirements.
Now, you might not like the rules, but they are what they are. You really _should_ follow them. Especially if you are going to demand others do. You do not get to pick and chose what rules you follow or force others to follow and what you exploit.
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Red reformats to level 2 for the same reason I currently am. Cross faction experimenting on how the maths work. For instance, we are currently testing the effectiveness of rank 10 armor. I don't know if you noticed, but 10 rank 2 strength is not a good build at any level. We also are doing so with mod permission. we were keeping it quite until we had more data, but the decision has been made to go public. A lot has broken in the game over the years. A lot has also been changed, and the previous work done has been lost to resets and time. So there's that.
Second, it really bothers me how you ignore the fact I have told you in every post that there is a hard cap for XP, an -actual- in code rule for it. The fact that you are exploiting that it is broken at higher levels. I even provided you with the actual numbers. If you would like proof, I will reset someone and screenshot my level with 0 upgrades. Exploiting the broken code is still an exploit. You are guilt of that whether you agree or not.
Also, don't assume I didn't call people out on it in Darkmount. You are not the first person I have called out about this, the difference being, code was actually added since the last time I called out Autobots for it. That code was added specifically because RevengeOfStarscream was sitting at level 1 with 2 million XP and refused to level up. As I said, the caps are more than generous. I am not telling you to level to 11, as you very easily could. I'm telling you to at least level up to the cap, which would put you at level 9, at the least.
And, as I am sure you know, there is an exploit for cheating those hard caps. As evidenced by https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=510337 and the current build https://www.seibertron.com/heavymetalwa ... _id=105655 . 100,000 is well above the level 0 cap of 40,000 by more than twice, and appears to have reset since they would have been over 40,000 xp, and used an exploit to remain at 0. Since it seems pretty far fetched to believe that over 60,000 XP was gained based on activity level of said bot.
You may argue that it gives you no unfair advantage, but that isn't true. You are violating the rules laid out in the code of the game, and as you argued with the alt mode, and the written rules clearly state, no matter how slight the advantage given, it is against the rules to take advantage of a loophole or exploit at risk of a ban. Now, I am not saying you need to be banned either, just that you legitimately run the risk of being banned as you are -clearly- violating the terms and conditions laid out in the forum for playing this game.
Also, we both know the reason Hallowjack is able to stay at 7 with 0 fire power or skill is that you have a prototype weapon equipped. It would be a shame if those prototypes were brought up to damage appropriate equipment requirements.
Now, you might not like the rules, but they are what they are. You really _should_ follow them. Especially if you are going to demand others do. You do not get to pick and chose what rules you follow or force others to follow and what you exploit.
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Upon investigation, you bitched that Red leveled down in the previous round. And didn't go over the upgrades for that level. But you defend yourself by saying that it's perfectly legal for you to do the same thing? There's a word for that. HYPOCRITE.
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Lets clear the air on something.
It is my understanding, and I checked with others and they believe the same, level caps were NOT implemented over level 7. I have vague memories of why but I won't go into them.
As far as rules go, there's no rule as to when a person should level their bots up. Nor do I believe there should be.
"Level bullies" have been around since year 1. There's always going to be someone who feels that someone else is being a "level bully". Personal opinion? Sitting on 117+ million of XP is ... well it baffles me. You could level up and go against higher opponents and earn more XP. You could level up and your fellow Autobots can repair you and they earn more XP.
By not levelling up, by sitting at the highest possible point of a level, you get to beat up on lower level opponents. You hold them back. Simultaneously, you're more likely to outperform other members of your faction. You hold them back.
This is my personal opinion that I've held for years, by not taking that leap to the next level, you have the potential to hold back players from both sides. That's just not Cricket.
That's not a prototype weapon. That is Jacks personal weapon he earned in some tournament way back. Going forward it was always the plan for any personal weapons to have the same stats and requirements.
It is my understanding, and I checked with others and they believe the same, level caps were NOT implemented over level 7. I have vague memories of why but I won't go into them.
As far as rules go, there's no rule as to when a person should level their bots up. Nor do I believe there should be.
"Level bullies" have been around since year 1. There's always going to be someone who feels that someone else is being a "level bully". Personal opinion? Sitting on 117+ million of XP is ... well it baffles me. You could level up and go against higher opponents and earn more XP. You could level up and your fellow Autobots can repair you and they earn more XP.
By not levelling up, by sitting at the highest possible point of a level, you get to beat up on lower level opponents. You hold them back. Simultaneously, you're more likely to outperform other members of your faction. You hold them back.
This is my personal opinion that I've held for years, by not taking that leap to the next level, you have the potential to hold back players from both sides. That's just not Cricket.
Also, we both know the reason Hallowjack is able to stay at 7 with 0 fire power or skill is that you have a prototype weapon equipped. It would be a shame if those prototypes were brought up to damage appropriate equipment requirements.
That's not a prototype weapon. That is Jacks personal weapon he earned in some tournament way back. Going forward it was always the plan for any personal weapons to have the same stats and requirements.
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Wasn't it the reward for getting to name a weapon? I vaguely remember there was a poll to name some new weapons where the winners would get their weapon added to the game for them.
You know, if they're not going to use the XP, we could always donated it to some starving 0s.
You know, if they're not going to use the XP, we could always donated it to some starving 0s.
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thank you very much for clarifying some things, Burn, and thank you for allowing us to talk this out.
AZ, since Burn cleared the air, my response to you will be brief and final.
i asked for objective proof of your claims, and instead you return posting links to a team that isn’t mine trying to prove a point that isn’t there. for the record: i don’t control what other players do, even if we know one another personally. if i did, they’d be playing a lot more than they do.
anyway, all that experience they have, they gained it at level 0, and when the super null rays rolled out, they reformatted to be able to wield one. they were unaware of the level 0 cap, and thus are innocent of whatever you’re accusing them of, because all they did was put the same stats into their build that they had previously, only switching skill for firepower. they just want to beat Discharge’s top score for level 0; which is something i fully support. now, there’s no need to continue referencing them, because this is not about them.
umm.. what? you should recheck your sources because i did not complain about Redimus leveling down during the last event, i hardly had a role in the last phase at all, outside of a few captures. so yes- there is, in fact, a word for this: misinformed. again. furthermore, what i am doing is different. i’m not taking action to level down when it’s suitable; i’m just not leveling up.
and by the way, the Autobot Savior is Alldarker.
this is very thought-provoking, and something i don’t wish to do. i don’t want to hold players back, so i am willing to make a compromise:
from this moment on, HallowJack will only deploy into Hell and 7-10 level missions. that way, he’s only fighting other bots who are valid targets.
AZ, since Burn cleared the air, my response to you will be brief and final.
i asked for objective proof of your claims, and instead you return posting links to a team that isn’t mine trying to prove a point that isn’t there. for the record: i don’t control what other players do, even if we know one another personally. if i did, they’d be playing a lot more than they do.
anyway, all that experience they have, they gained it at level 0, and when the super null rays rolled out, they reformatted to be able to wield one. they were unaware of the level 0 cap, and thus are innocent of whatever you’re accusing them of, because all they did was put the same stats into their build that they had previously, only switching skill for firepower. they just want to beat Discharge’s top score for level 0; which is something i fully support. now, there’s no need to continue referencing them, because this is not about them.
Upon investigation, you bitched that Red leveled down in the previous round. And didn't go over the upgrades for that level. But you defend yourself by saying that it's perfectly legal for you to do the same thing? There's a word for that. HYPOCRITE.
and by the way, the Autobot Savior is Alldarker.
Burn wrote:By not levelling up, by sitting at the highest possible point of a level, you get to beat up on lower level opponents. You hold them back. Simultaneously, you're more likely to outperform other members of your faction. You hold them back.
this is very thought-provoking, and something i don’t wish to do. i don’t want to hold players back, so i am willing to make a compromise:
from this moment on, HallowJack will only deploy into Hell and 7-10 level missions. that way, he’s only fighting other bots who are valid targets.
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I am curious though as to why not just level him up? You know those lovely 9-11's could do with more participants (and we both know steve would soil his pants if he saw you in them more often!
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Burn wrote:I am curious though as to why not just level him up? You know those lovely 9-11's could do with more participants (and we both know steve would soil his pants if he saw you in them more often!)
i did put eric and victor to level 9(even tho only have 2 that can 5-7 missions thus decreasing my chances to help them then again all the sdmf hell misiions does it really EVEN MATTER!!!!)
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ugh i knew that was going to be asked......... and........ as much as i was trying to delay saying this, i will.... UGH................
HallowJack’s goal, since he was a level 4 Botling with calculator-generated dreams of the perfect warrior build, was to be the first ever authentic level 7 bot who made it into the top 25 most experienced mechs of HMW.
Now you all know.
HallowJack’s goal, since he was a level 4 Botling with calculator-generated dreams of the perfect warrior build, was to be the first ever authentic level 7 bot who made it into the top 25 most experienced mechs of HMW.
Now you all know.
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i’ve never said that out loud. i feel vulnerable lol.
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Jack Hallows wrote:ugh i knew that was going to be asked......... and........ as much as i was trying to delay saying this, i will.... UGH................
HallowJack’s goal, since he was a level 4 Botling with calculator-generated dreams of the perfect warrior build, was to be the first ever authentic level 7 bot who made it into the top 25 most experienced mechs of HMW.
Now you all know.
i think that is a worthwhile goal
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...makes sense actually. No reason to feel exposed, it's a goal, and a pretty good one at that.
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wow... that’s... well shucks thanks y’all lol. i was expecting to get laughed at profusely...
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Jack Hallows wrote:ugh i knew that was going to be asked......... and........ as much as i was trying to delay saying this, i will.... UGH................
HallowJack’s goal, since he was a level 4 Botling with calculator-generated dreams of the perfect warrior build, was to be the first ever authentic level 7 bot who made it into the top 25 most experienced mechs of HMW.
Now you all know.
Please explain authentic. What makes his build more authentic than any other level 7?
Sorry, I was going to wait to respond until after work, but head cold + manic mood swings = no sleep.
When I first scanned over this (scanned because I was more interested in what Burn said) I thought you said it was for RP, which I could get behind, except RP wise, Hallowjack is dumber than a Sharkticon, and would literally be braindead blowing bubbles and more likely to hurt himself than a con or autobot (no int would mean lacking the ability to distinguish friend from foe) when he did manage to fire off his weapon. He would basically be dropped off as a wall, which would be great for keeping undesireables like me out of Iacon.
If I leveled down to 7 and got their faster, would that crush your dream? Asking for a friend.
Ok. Now to talk to the other adults.
Burn wrote:Lets clear the air on something.
It is my understanding, and I checked with others and they believe the same, level caps were NOT implemented over level 7. I have vague memories of why but I won't go into them.
My bad, I assumed they just where not working like so much else in the game. I know you can't really do much using the mod panel (that's been broken for what, 10 years now?) but could you make a rule about level caps? The forum rules put forth by OS back during the last great reset (or are they older?) allows for staff to make changes to the rules. The caps we have are more than generous, and 10 can't have a cap as only way to reach 11 is with a dual tactic alt mode.
"Level bullies" have been around since year 1. There's always going to be someone who feels that someone else is being a "level bully".
Isn't that why we had caps added in the first place? Certain people refusing to level up and stiffling everyone?
Personal opinion? Sitting on 117+ million of XP is ... well it baffles me. You could level up and go against higher opponents and earn more XP. You could level up and your fellow Autobots can repair you and they earn more XP.
By not levelling up, by sitting at the highest possible point of a level, you get to beat up on lower level opponents. You hold them back. Simultaneously, you're more likely to outperform other members of your faction. You hold them back.
This is my personal opinion that I've held for years, by not taking that leap to the next level, you have the potential to hold back players from both sides. That's just not Cricket.
I brought that up, but he didn't seem to care. He should think of Steve honestly.
[/quote]Also, we both know the reason Hallowjack is able to stay at 7 with 0 fire power or skill is that you have a prototype weapon equipped. It would be a shame if those prototypes were brought up to damage appropriate equipment requirements.
That's not a prototype weapon. That is Jacks personal weapon he earned in some tournament way back. Going forward it was always the plan for any personal weapons to have the same stats and requirements.
it-seems-i-have-a-weapon-malfunction--t110806.php He said it was from a naming contest, so I assumed it was a prototype like that thing Chompy has. Stat wise, it's basically an 8 point weapon like the non-prototype Atomic Breath and Hellfire Shotgun that isn't for Phaze. And I am aware that he's had that gun for a while, but to be quite honest, it does give him an unfair advantage. If I could run a 8 stat weapon for free, I probably still wouldn't as I would feel dirty and that I'm cheating. But then again, it's why I don't min max in D&D or go for super powerful weapons in it either. It's no fun for others if the wizard is casting maximized enlarged fireball and nukes everything before anyone else can get a turn.
Did I mention I'm running on 2 hrs of sleep, a headcold, and manic high? lol
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Jack Hallows wrote:ugh i knew that was going to be asked......... and........ as much as i was trying to delay saying this, i will.... UGH................
HallowJack’s goal, since he was a level 4 Botling with calculator-generated dreams of the perfect warrior build, was to be the first ever authentic level 7 bot who made it into the top 25 most experienced mechs of HMW.
Now you all know.
Goals are goals, and they add depth to an individual's playing experience. You know I'm all about what's fun
Best of luck to you in that.
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Absolute Zero wrote:I know you can't really do much using the mod panel (that's been broken for what, 10 years now?) but could you make a rule about level caps? The forum rules put forth by OS back during the last great reset (or are they older?) allows for staff to make changes to the rules. The caps we have are more than generous, and 10 can't have a cap as only way to reach 11 is with a dual tactic alt mode.
And who defines what is acceptable for levels? nah, not going down that path.
Even if the Control Panel was working completely, there's nothing in there about level caps. I assume then it's a coding level thing.
He said it was from a naming contest
Naming contest, tournament, he still earned it.
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Burn wrote:Absolute Zero wrote:I know you can't really do much using the mod panel (that's been broken for what, 10 years now?) but could you make a rule about level caps? The forum rules put forth by OS back during the last great reset (or are they older?) allows for staff to make changes to the rules. The caps we have are more than generous, and 10 can't have a cap as only way to reach 11 is with a dual tactic alt mode.
And who defines what is acceptable for levels? nah, not going down that path.
Even if the Control Panel was working completely, there's nothing in there about level caps. I assume then it's a coding level thing.He said it was from a naming contest
Naming contest, tournament, he still earned it.
Do you remember when they were added? I want to say post the last reset,
Like how I earned being the Autobot Savior? Lol
Wouldn't the first legit level 7 in the top 25 have been thw first level 7 though?
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