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Capt.Failure wrote:Shadowman wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Never mind that he directed on an objective level the worst three films of all time and turned the vast majority of his own fans away for good. But hey, we at least got Kinect Star Wars, am I right?
So, what, Tommy Wiseau, Ed Wood, and Uwe Boll are just pen names of his or something?
None of them created with their own hands a sci-fi classic, then with those same hands destroyed that same classic's artistic integrity. Lucas has much to answer for.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Capt.Failure wrote:Shadowman wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Never mind that he directed on an objective level the worst three films of all time and turned the vast majority of his own fans away for good. But hey, we at least got Kinect Star Wars, am I right?
So, what, Tommy Wiseau, Ed Wood, and Uwe Boll are just pen names of his or something?
None of them created with their own hands a sci-fi classic, then with those same hands destroyed that same classic's artistic integrity. Lucas has much to answer for.
Shadowman wrote:This is why he left. He couldn't take the constant bitching of "fans," who kept telling him he couldn't make the movies he wanted, that his vision was second to the "fans" desires. It has everything to do with overinflated ego, just not Lucas'. I can hardly blame him for wanting to leave. He's had to put up with constant bitching for damn near forty years.
Trikeboy wrote:When will "fans" realise Star Wars and Lucasfilm belong to George Lucas and he can do what he wants with them? If he wants to sell his company, he is perfectly entitled to it. Just because you didn't like the prequels it doesn't mean **** to him. Those movies are the movies HE wanted in HIS franchise. Don't like it? go watch something else. The story of Star Wars comes from George Lucas. He is the story teller.
Burn wrote:Oh please, you're going to buy into that crap?
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Shadowman wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Never mind that he directed on an objective level the worst three films of all time and turned the vast majority of his own fans away for good. But hey, we at least got Kinect Star Wars, am I right?
So, what, Tommy Wiseau, Ed Wood, and Uwe Boll are just pen names of his or something?
None of them created with their own hands a sci-fi classic, then with those same hands destroyed that same classic's artistic integrity. Lucas has much to answer for.
Okay, I get it. So if you make a movie, and it's good, but then make a sequel and it's bad, then you're worse than people who only make consistently bad movies. That makes sense.
This is why he left. He couldn't take the constant bitching of "fans," who kept telling him he couldn't make the movies he wanted, that his vision was second to the "fans" desires. It has everything to do with overinflated ego, just not Lucas'. I can hardly blame him for wanting to leave. He's had to put up with constant bitching for damn near forty years.
Capt.Failure wrote:...then with those same hands destroyed that same classic's artistic integrity. Lucas has much to answer for.
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Capt.Failure wrote:The truth is calling those films art is false on an objective level, but you'll never convince Lucas of that.
Rodimus Prime wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:...then with those same hands destroyed that same classic's artistic integrity. Lucas has much to answer for.
They're HIS creations. Made with HIS time, HIS money, and HIS sweat. HE can do whatever with them that HE wants. It's NOT public property. Don't like it? Nobody made you buy a movie ticket.
Rodimus Prime wrote:For the record, I like the OT much better than the PT, but not because of the story or the effects. It was all about the (lack of) acting in the PT that turned me off. It in no way diminished my enjoyment of the OT at all.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Capt.Failure wrote:Shadowman wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Shadowman wrote:Capt.Failure wrote:Never mind that he directed on an objective level the worst three films of all time and turned the vast majority of his own fans away for good. But hey, we at least got Kinect Star Wars, am I right?
So, what, Tommy Wiseau, Ed Wood, and Uwe Boll are just pen names of his or something?
None of them created with their own hands a sci-fi classic, then with those same hands destroyed that same classic's artistic integrity. Lucas has much to answer for.
Okay, I get it. So if you make a movie, and it's good, but then make a sequel and it's bad, then you're worse than people who only make consistently bad movies. That makes sense.
This is why he left. He couldn't take the constant bitching of "fans," who kept telling him he couldn't make the movies he wanted, that his vision was second to the "fans" desires. It has everything to do with overinflated ego, just not Lucas'. I can hardly blame him for wanting to leave. He's had to put up with constant bitching for damn near forty years.
He deserves it because he tries to hold the Prequels up to the original trilogy as worthwhile pieces of cinematic art. The truth is calling those films art is false on an objective level, but you'll never convince Lucas of that. This is why auteur directors are dangerous. They convince the lowest common denominator that they're watching something with artistic merit when they're not, further convincing them that it's ok to see movies by these egomaniacs.
Hopefully Disney will make the decision to erase the prequels from canon. It's the only way to properly repair the damage at this point.
Shadowman wrote:Burn wrote:Oh please, you're going to buy into that crap?
Yeah, yeah I am. Because I have no reason not to believe him. If all of your so-called fans were constantly telling you everything you're doing is wrong, that you shouldn't be making movies the way you want to, that they say you have "directed objectively the three worst movies of all time" what would you do? You can call him a "drama queen" all you like, but seriously, have you seen Star Wars fans? Good God, it's an army of people who think nostalgia suddenly gives them IP rights.
Plus he announced he was retiring from Star Wars months ago.
Burn wrote:Fact remains, if people are going to sit behind their monitors and defend him by saying it's HIS creation, then he should be open to criticism.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:And we're not talking about a couple of people saying "Well, you could have done this better," we're talking about the "fans" inflated sense of entitlement and mistaken belief that their nostalgia is more important than what the director wants to do.
Darth Bombshell wrote:Shadowman wrote:And we're not talking about a couple of people saying "Well, you could have done this better," we're talking about the "fans" inflated sense of entitlement and mistaken belief that their nostalgia is more important than what the director wants to do.
I don't feel that way. I'm more of the opinion that his universe should try to be more consistent in its presentation. (Like I said before, it's hardly Clone Wars that's screwing around canon; much of the recent literature is tossing canon, plot, or common sense to the wind...)
Burn wrote:Fact remains, if people are going to sit behind their monitors and defend him by saying it's HIS creation, then he should be open to criticism.
njb902 wrote:Examples?
Darth Bombshell wrote:Karen Traviss sucks.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Darth Bombshell wrote:njb902 wrote:Examples?
-Jacen being made the hero of the New Jedi Order instead of Anakin because, apparently, we’re all too stupid to be able to tell the difference between a guy named Anakin Skywalker and a guy named Anakin Solo. Hell, one could argue that it would have made a hell of athey better storyline than the one we were given. Of course, Legacy of the Force would show that those involved weren’t so much interested in telling a good story as they were in riling up the fanbase.
-Killing off Mara to make Jacen evil. Forgetting for a moment the fact that Jacen’s descent into madness was preordained, there were literally dozens of ways to do it other than kill off the one good thing post SW lit had going for it (Luke and Mara’s relationship). It hits personally home for me, because I’ve seen this sort of storyline play out in another franchise, and I am Episode of a fan of it then than I was at that time.
-After identifying the ship we see in Episode III as the same one we see in Episode IV for five years, the continuity police decide to change it to a ship seen in an obscure video game because it doesn’t look the same (even though they invented an already good retcon to explain it away). And worse of all, publishing it in an obscure SW product no one’s ever going to see.
-After spending the majority of the LOTF plot fighting a dictatorial, power mad, crazy lunatic placed in charge of the main galactic government, one of the final things that series does is make the new person in charge…a dictatorial, power mad, crazy lunatic, which the authors tried a great deal to convince us was a good idea at the time, and instead spend a equal amount of time in the next series showing us how BAD an idea it was.
-Every single novel ever written by Karen Traviss. The Republic Commando series increasingly becomes the outlet for her single-minded, narrow and completely inaccurate view of the SW galaxy, which her third of LOTF is by far not just the worst of the series, but among the worst SW fiction ever written (and that’s compared to famously odious stinkers like The Crysshe Star and Planet of Twilight). And the only thing she manages to accomplish in the novelization of the Not-A-Movie is make Ahsoka even more of a whiny prat than she is in the actual show (then again, writing Jedi is clearly not something Karen likes to do, so maybe that shouldn’t be seen as an accomplishment…)
njb902 wrote:They messed up here. However Traviss is right about the Jedi Order, using slaves to fight is wrong(in real life or fictionl). But that's just my opinion.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Shadowman wrote:njb902 wrote:They messed up here. However Traviss is right about the Jedi Order, using slaves to fight is wrong(in real life or fictionl). But that's just my opinion.
That's the problem, though, they weren't really slaves, and the Jedi always showed great respect for the Clones...except when hen Traviss was writing. Consequently it missed the entire point of how Order 66 was supposed to work; it was to develop enough trust that it would override the Jedi ability to sense deception.
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