Longlive Roddie wrote:Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them).
2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow.
3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.
4) They have green light on their backs.
5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.
6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers.
7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.
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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Longlive Roddie wrote:Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them).
2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow.
3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.
4) They have green light on their backs.
5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.
6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers.
7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.
You’re actually making a few assumptions
1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children
2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids
3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities
Whats the question with the rest?
Hoist [RENEGADE] wrote:I've always seen Wheelie as "Child-like" more than being an actual child. The rest I put down to artistic licence at the time.
Hoist [RENEGADE] wrote:I don't take too much stock in the "Tf wiki" this is also the same place that also says "Wheelie's "parents" die, but there's no mention of what happened to their bodies.", note the quotations mark for parents.
Even the terms "Brothers" can be take into context into not necessarily literal content is physically related as it states if we go by your TF wiki which also states: "Given that Transformers are not organic life and likely do not reproduce sexually, the origin, distinction, and exact meaning of many of these terms is frequently unclear." (And yes I have seen the other long thread about gender/reproduction).
In the end you can believe what you want to believe, I just don't happen to agree.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Longlive Roddie wrote:Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them).
2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow.
3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.
4) They have green light on their backs.
5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.
6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers.
7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.
You’re actually making a few assumptions
1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children
2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids
3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities
Whats the question with the rest?
Know what you said before was that they can have kids....Implying that they can give birth and there is no evidence of thatLonglive Roddie wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Longlive Roddie wrote:Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them).
2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow.
3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.
4) They have green light on their backs.
5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.
6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers.
7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.
You’re actually making a few assumptions
1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children
2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids
3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities
Whats the question with the rest?
1)That's why I said however they have them. I read somewhere that they were built, but that was after I posted this.
2) The Lithone kids do grow the same we grow
3) Wheelie is an autobot and all of them came from Cybertron.
There were kids on Cybertron or maybe. I said maybe because those kids in Beta group in season 3 episode 11 when Beta first introduce her rebel group could've been short adults, but lets not throw out the possibility of them being childern.
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Hoist [RENEGADE] wrote:I don't take too much stock in the "Tf wiki" this is also the same place that also says "Wheelie's "parents" die, but there's no mention of what happened to their bodies.", note the quotations mark for parents.
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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Know what you said before was that they can have kids....Implying that they can give birth and there is no evidence of thatLonglive Roddie wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Longlive Roddie wrote:Hey guys I'm going to tell about Lithonians
1)We all already know they can have kids ( however they have them).
2)We also see robokids of different size and ages, which means that they do grow.
3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids. Wheelie is a Cybertronian child and I doubt he's the only child Cybertronian. He's probably just the only one we know of. Since that Cybertronian fems are rare it would make sense if the child Cybertronians were even more rare. In Forever Is A Long Time Coming, you'll see what maybe Cybertronian kids when Beta first introduce her rebel group.
4) They have green light on their backs.
5) The Lithonians were suppose to be rock people, but that has gotten drop. They're planet ( as seen in the movie) is not cover in all metal. You can still see some rocks.
6) Lithonians have emotional circuits ( a very high one) in their computer brains. They are not vengeful and are lenient towards troublemakers.
7)The Lithonians were suppose to transform, but that has gotten drop. They did transform in the Marvel comic books though.
You’re actually making a few assumptions
1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children
2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids
3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities
Whats the question with the rest?
1)That's why I said however they have them. I read somewhere that they were built, but that was after I posted this.2) The Lithone kids do grow the same we grow
Again we do not know if they grow at all
As we have never seen this race of robots coverage very well, there’s a very good chance that they just build older bodies
The article you posted is not an official source and it does not seem to be based on an official source3) Wheelie is an autobot and all of them came from Cybertron.
We don’t know where Wheelies or his parents or ancestors came from since it was never mentionedThere were kids on Cybertron or maybe. I said maybe because those kids in Beta group in season 3 episode 11 when Beta first introduce her rebel group could've been short adults, but lets not throw out the possibility of them being childern.
You are making assumptions again.There is no evidence that those smaller robots were kids
Did you forget what they all were built for?
Merchandise to be sold, consumer goods
Could be the smaller “kid looking” robots were built to be sold as toys for Alien children of other world, Or even as workers To be sold to aliens of worlds in habited by very small people
Longlive Roddie wrote: Okay I’m so sorry that this reply is so late, I was busy.
4) Have you thought about the small bots being sold to be kids to alien parents if they want robotic kids?
Also those alien kids have to be way bigger then the Cybertronians.
But you assuming that they aren’t kids
Unless we find some notes from the creators that we can authenticate being from the period that the episodes are being written I don’t take statements from 30 years after the fact as being worth muchThere’s no way of knowing and saying who is wrong/right unless one of us is able to contact the creator and they might not care to answer. Also there are some who don’t think that the “Word of God”≠ canon. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod if you haven’t heard of tv trope WoG. And there’s this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... fTheAuthor. There’s also this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShrugOfGod. So even if we could contact them, it could be “death of the author” as their interpretation is no more valid or invalid then ours or “shrug of god” as even they don’t know. And then there’s this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... pFlopOfGod, they could change their minds.We can only guess if they are kids or not.
5) True. But I’m leaning towards Cybertronian for Wheelie or at least his ancestors came from Cybertron.ast time I check, in the g1 cartoon, we only see Cybertronians be Autobots and Decepticons. Like I said before, it was never state that Springer came from Cybertron, but yet I don’t see you doubting that.
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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Longlive Roddie wrote: Okay I’m so sorry that this reply is so late, I was busy.
Kool, but I’m going to shorten this a bit4) Have you thought about the small bots being sold to be kids to alien parents if they want robotic kids?
Of course, like I said they were merchandiseAlso those alien kids have to be way bigger then the Cybertronians.
Not necessarily, My daughter had a Barbie doll that was her exact size
I had a riding pony
Besides we seen at least one alien race that could hold Optimus in their handsBut you assuming that they aren’t kids
Read my words more carefully
I made no assumptions whatsoeverUnless we find some notes from the creators that we can authenticate being from the period that the episodes are being written I don’t take statements from 30 years after the fact as being worth muchThere’s no way of knowing and saying who is wrong/right unless one of us is able to contact the creator and they might not care to answer. Also there are some who don’t think that the “Word of God”≠ canon. https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WordOfGod if you haven’t heard of tv trope WoG. And there’s this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... fTheAuthor. There’s also this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ShrugOfGod. So even if we could contact them, it could be “death of the author” as their interpretation is no more valid or invalid then ours or “shrug of god” as even they don’t know. And then there’s this https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/ ... pFlopOfGod, they could change their minds.We can only guess if they are kids or not.5) True. But I’m leaning towards Cybertronian for Wheelie or at least his ancestors came from Cybertron.ast time I check, in the g1 cartoon, we only see Cybertronians be Autobots and Decepticons. Like I said before, it was never state that Springer came from Cybertron, but yet I don’t see you doubting that.
That’s not exactly correct, it’s not that clear cut
The Dinobots aren’t true Cybertronians bring creates on earth and they were considered autobots
Megatron considered making Nightbird a Decepticon
Theres no evidence the Junkions have any real link to Cybertron and they were called Autobots
Even the Technobots were created from parts inside Unicrons head
Hoist [RENEGADE] wrote:I don't take too much stock in the "Tf wiki" this is also the same place that also says "Wheelie's "parents" die, but there's no mention of what happened to their bodies.", note the quotations mark for parents.
Even the terms "Brothers" can be take into context into not necessarily literal content is physically related as it states if we go by your TF wiki which also states: "Given that Transformers are not organic life and likely do not reproduce sexually, the origin, distinction, and exact meaning of many of these terms is frequently unclear." (And yes I have seen the other long thread about gender/reproduction).
In the end you can believe what you want to believe, I just don't happen to agree.
Longlive Roddie wrote: Actually the Jukion ancestors a tribe of Autobots. https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Junkion_(species)#References (read the source or references if gave)
Because you continue to fail to understand what I have exactly said, As this statement provedAlso you did made an assumption on them not being kids (proof post below). Why should I read your words carefully?
And yes any one can be a con or bot, but they first originate from Cybertron.
Wheelie already have an autobot symbol on him.
That’s certainly reasonableA headcanon. Night bird wasn’t built by the cons, but she was reprogram by them. Maybe that’s why she is consider as a decepticon. Maybe those built or reprogram/program by Cybertronians can be a bot or a con.
Kranix wasn’t consider as a autobot. Yes most of the Lithones died, but we have seen a few alive and still non are consider Autobots or Decepticon.
You can still disagree, but I’m done with you. Ignore list.
This is proof that you assume that they aren’t kids, You can say otherwise, but I will not see your comments to care.
“ You are making assumptions again.There is no evidence that those smaller robots were kids.”
You also assume that I believe that they mate even though I said no such thing.
3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids.
[/quote][/quote]I can’t see them as toys for alien kids. Maybe a playmate.
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Longlive Roddie wrote:@ sto_vo_kor_2000
Even though I can’t read what you posted, I still disagree with you. Anyway I’m done here. I still believe that Wheelie is a Cybertronian or related to one. This thread is done. This debate is getting us nowhere and tired of repeating myself.
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[/quote]sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Longlive Roddie wrote: Actually the Jukion ancestors a tribe of Autobots. https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Junkion_(species)#References (read the source or references if gave)
Just to let you know the link didn’t exactly work, remember we are talking about the G1 cartoon only, Matt outside source information.There is nothing within any episodes story of the G1 cartoon that solidly says the Junkiond have any Ancestral connection to Cybertron or the Autobots
There are only 2 suggestions that indicate a “possible” link between the Junkions and Cybertron
1)Season 3 episode 6 “The killing Jar” , a Quintesson Kidnaps Wreck-Gar to run an experiment on him believing he’s an Autobot, he did the same with altar Magnus snd Cyclonus. Wreck-Gar was the only one that did not react to the to the experiment according to programming as the Quintesson expected
Which suggest his programming may not be Autobot in origin
2)In One of the “files of telegram 1” segments from the end of certain episodes, the Narrator says the Junkions were a “tribe of autobots that dwell on the planet Junkion”, and that’s it. Nothing about how they originated there, nothing about being a colony of Cybertron origin
Like I said the narrator says it, The same narrator that says Unicron turned Megatron into Galvatron in the year 2000......not 2005, Sorry but nothing stated by the narrator can make a salad evidence or be trusted
Maybe they all joined the Autobots after the movie
Like I said before, Theres no evidence the Junkions have any real link to CybertronBecause you continue to fail to understand what I have exactly said, As this statement provedAlso you did made an assumption on them not being kids (proof post below). Why should I read your words carefully?
I never made no assumptions
From my first reply I said there’s no solid evidence they are kids
And so far you haven’t provided anything that disproves thatAnd yes any one can be a con or bot, but they first originate from Cybertron.
Wheelie already have an autobot symbol on him.
Proving absolutely nothing,
Or did you forget the Constructicons having Decepticon symbols before being brainwashed by Megatron?
It was an Animators short trying to make sure children knew what team the toys belong to
Also, your “symbol” example is self defeating as the Junkions never displayed Autobot symbols....not even Wreck-GarThat’s certainly reasonableA headcanon. Night bird wasn’t built by the cons, but she was reprogram by them. Maybe that’s why she is consider as a decepticon. Maybe those built or reprogram/program by Cybertronians can be a bot or a con.Kranix wasn’t consider as a autobot. Yes most of the Lithones died, but we have seen a few alive and still non are consider Autobots or Decepticon.
I’m not sure exactly why you brought this up here but OK
You can still disagree, but I’m done with you. Ignore list.
This is proof that you assume that they aren’t kids, You can say otherwise, but I will not see your comments to care.
If you choose to resort to childish behavior because you cannot have your assumptions questioned that’s your business, Perhaps you should re-examine your desire to post them publicly if you do not like the scrutiny
“ You are making assumptions again.There is no evidence that those smaller robots were kids.”
This is why you need to read more carefully
I never said they were not kids, I only said there was no evidence that they were
That’s just a fact, There’s no assumption there, no dialog says they are kids
PeriodYou also assume that I believe that they mate even though I said no such thing.
Perhaps English isn’t your first language but you most certainly said such a thing
This is from your very first post3)They are a race of male and female too. Maybe Cybertronians were once like this too and also have kids.
You said that they were male and female
You said maybe they didn’t want to [b]have children
Male & female having children.......Citing the 2 in any single sentence is an indication of mating of some sort, That may not have been your intention but it is certainly how you worded itI can’t see them as toys for alien kids. Maybe a playmate.
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Those are nice theories, but there’s also no evidence saying that they aren’t Cybertronians.
You haven’t proof that they aren’t kids either.
And your have no proof either that autobots and deceptions not originating from Cybertron
or that Wheelie isn’t one or descend from one.
Also if you brother watching the cartoon you’ll know that the bots and cons first came from Cybertron.
Are freaking kidding me? Are you freaking kidding me.
You getting upset and caring that I ignore you and was done with you is the one that is immature. If you didn’t care you wouldn’t have add that
I won’t see your comment to care because I’m getting tired of debate with you. You are going back on my ignore list and it’s staying that way. I’m sick and tired of saying the same thing with you.
You are on my ignore list because I’m tired of saying I never said that.
Well a playmate can also be a person unlike a toy. Yes I know that the aliens won’t see them as alive, but I can’t see them as toys.
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That’s an interesting idea.Longlive Roddie wrote:I have a headcanon on how the Lithone have kids. I can’t see them mating and giving birth, so here’s how it goes. Mommy and daddy Lithone type on the computer on what their kid looks and the computer types that prints the kid out. There where the bots in Battries not Include, but that’s not Transformers
That’s a name I haven’t heard in a while
I’m glad Tramp isn’t here because I can’t see them pregnant and giving birth. I’ve read his posts on this and other sites and he’s really think that he is correct. There is nothing wrong in believing in robo sex, but there is something wrong in saying that Transformers (or Lithones) do have sex even though there is no proof. Like what the person that I was debating with said. They could’ve built their kids. Or what I would say built or burn take your pick.
@ sto_vo_kor_2000
Not for sure if you already comment, but how else I was suppose to word it with the Lithones kids. Was I suppose to say they have kids, but without the have?
tHowever you kept ignoring that part and I have to keep correcting over and over again which was getting on my nerves. It’s no wonder you are on my ignore list.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:You’re actually making a few assumptions
1)We all know they have children, however we do NOT they can “have children”
For all we know they build their children
2)It is also possible that they build them new bodies for different stages/ages as they mature ....there’s an example of that in a star trek episode with androids
3)We know are a race of male and females, The cartoon never covered if Wheelie is a Cybertronian , but it is the case in other continuities
Whats the question with the rest?
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