MattMoylan wrote:Well as a fan artist, I understand Hasbro has to protect their IP and am surprised they ever let any of us sell our unofficial art at previous Botcons.
But, this pretty much seals the deal that I won't be setting up at any future Botcons. I guess I am TFcon exclusive!
Autobot032 wrote:I think we'll see lawsuits from the fans, over this. I'm sure they'll lose, but at least it'll make a notable case for all to see. Even show Hasbro that we are willing to fight back.
Autobot032 wrote:Now...threats of your wares being confiscated, reporting to the authorities, physical removal from the premises, plus now you're not allowed to showcase your artistic talent, even though they give you a venue to do so.
Autobot032 wrote: And all of this comes AFTER you bought and paid, in full, your tickets, accommodations, various fees, etc...all on a promise you'd be given the same experience this year, had in prior years.
Autobot032 wrote:To me, that seems shady and dishonest. It reeks of illegality, but most likely isn't actionable. Still, it wouldn't hurt to have someone stand up and fight back. In a twist of fate, you might just run into a judge who would see the plight of the fans and say they're owed their lost money back, because they were given promises and expectations in lieu of money. And it was never delivered. .
Autobot032 wrote:Like I said, I'm sure it'd be laughed out of a court room, but you never know unless you try.
I'd be trying my best to find out how to get my money back.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
Rated X wrote:Fan art will be sold at Botcon. It will be like “Here’s my card, come check me out at room 187 after 8 PM”.
Hasbro is really shooting themselves in the foot with this whole 3rd party thing. Whether it’s their convention or not, they forgot it’s a Transformers convention, not a Hasbro convention. Although we have a few self proclaimed lawyers and stockholders among us, the majority of Transformers fans are loyal to the actual Transformers characters, not the corporate entity that owns their copyrights. I personally could care less who owns the rights to the Transformer franchise. It could be Bridget the Midget for all I care…
vectorA3 wrote:How artists can stick it to Hasbro -- only sell art of TF characters that Hasbro failed to reclaim/no longer owns the rights to! Hah!!!
Rated X wrote:
Hasbro is really shooting themselves in the foot with this whole 3rd party thing. Whether it’s their convention or not, they forgot it’s a Transformers convention, not a Hasbro convention.…
Rated X wrote: Although we have a few self proclaimed lawyers and stockholders among us, the majority of Transformers fans are loyal to the actual Transformers characters, not the corporate entity that owns their copyrights. I personally could care less who owns the rights to the Transformer franchise. It could be Bridget the Midget for all I care…
Simes wrote: Even then, with travel and hotel expenses and with most conventions expecting artists to pay for their own tables they still need to sell very large volumes to even cover their costs. Sadly, there are very few conventions that actually treat artists like "proper" guests and cover their expenses despite using their names to promote the convention.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
5150 Cruiser wrote:Why should a convention cover an artist cost so they (the artist) can profit? The fact that these people don't make much doing the art work is irrelevent. They choose to do the art. No ones forcing them. What about the other dealers/vedors that people come to these conventions to see? With your line of thinking, they should get a free spot too.
Simes wrote:Comic artists are being marketed as guests and promoted as such. People are buying tickets to attend conventions (not just Botcon in this instance) to see those guests and morally if nothing else those artists deserve some show of respect. If they are being used to promote the show (and Botcon has frequently had pages on their website dedicated to all of the artists who are appearing in Artists Alley) then they should give them the courtesy of being able to cover their costs of attending or make it affordable for them to attend as guests.
Simes wrote: As a convention organiser for almost 25 years, it is simply disrespectful to any guest to expect them to attend and not offer to cover their expenses and leave them with no opportunity to recover their costs... would you expect David Kaye or Garry Chalk to do the same? Of course not but because it's "just" an artist there are some people who seem to think that it's okay for them to have to pay to attend.
Sorry, but that is just wrong.
Simes wrote:And as for comparing the artists to dealers... dealers are there specifically to make money. Botcon doesn't promote its dealers as a way for attendees to browse or get things free but there will be people who will attend and just want to meet artists or get autographs and not want to buy prints or sketches and I don't know any comic artists who would charge for this. Artists attend for the love of Transformers, but they don't want to get screwed over and lose money for being a guest and helping Botcon in the process.
Shadowman wrote:I will put forth the theory that it was the internet itself trying to punch him in the face.
We're pleased to announce, per Hasbro, that artist tables will be allowed at BotCon 2012 as we have allowed it in the past, and will be permissible as part of the show. Hasbro sympathizes and understands fans' discouragement with the previous statements concerning fan art, and while remaining steadfast in the right to protect its IP in regards to unlicensed merchandise, wants to ensure fans can continue to enjoy the BotCon experience which they know is made so great in large part by the fan community.
Electron wrote:sledge your comments are like a fat chick raping a hot dog, its unpleasent to watch but in the end its gonna happen
Mr O wrote:I'm part Irish, part Scottish, very Welsh, mostly drunk, somewhat Transformers nerd and all bastard.
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