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warzon3 wrote:

Autobot Genocide wrote:In hand images of the final packaging for the retail release .





TFSource.

Oh man, does that mean it is shipping soon?

Also slag does look taller, but his robot head is about the same level, plus Sludge's robot torso does raise similar to Maketoys Mixmaster to give added height, not sure if he is mistransformed in some pics?

Due some time August .

Autobot Genocide wrote:

warzon3 wrote:

Autobot Genocide wrote:In hand images of the final packaging for the retail release .





TFSource.

Oh man, does that mean it is shipping soon?

Also slag does look taller, but his robot head is about the same level, plus Sludge's robot torso does raise similar to Maketoys Mixmaster to give added height, not sure if he is mistransformed in some pics?

Due some time in August .

shajaki wrote:

bvzxa wrote:Well Hasbro you had the chance to give us Classics-style Dinobots and you failed.

hasbro didnt fail. they just stopped halfway through grimlock.

Lord Raze wrote:

shajaki wrote:

bvzxa wrote:Well Hasbro you had the chance to give us Classics-style Dinobots and you failed.

*what i actually said*
hasbro didnt fail. they just stopped at grimlock.

*what raze changed it to*
hasbro didnt fail. they just stopped halfway through grimlock.

to each his own i suppose. but i liked that grimlock. the colors were perfect on the takara version, and the only gripes i had i was able to change (artek gun, and head with blue visor). that being said, i could have lived without those things.

shajaki wrote:

Lord Raze wrote:

shajaki wrote:

bvzxa wrote:Well Hasbro you had the chance to give us Classics-style Dinobots and you failed.

*what i actually said*
hasbro didnt fail. they just stopped at grimlock.

*what raze changed it to*
hasbro didnt fail. they just stopped halfway through grimlock.

to each his own i suppose. but i liked that grimlock. the colors were perfect on the takara version, and the only gripes i had i was able to change (artek gun, and head with blue visor). that being said, i could have lived without those things.

Are you talking FoC Grimlock or Classics Grimlock? I think those add-ons were for FoC, right? I think the half-way comment, which I found very funny by the way, was about the small stature of Classics Grimlock. Or maybe I inferred something that wasn't there...

Now I think I might have to bring out both versions to take a pic or two. It doesn't appear that Ryan did that at all in the FoC Grimlock galleries. I'll see if I can find my Energon Grimlock too...

Is this what was meant by "stopped halfway through Grimlock?"




Upright, just for Rated X.



While dino mode is a bit different in size, the bot mode?




I think that if I go FP, I'm likely going to replace my Classics Grimlock, which pains me to do because I, philosophically speaking, prefer to go with Has/Tak's toys on my main shelves, replacing when necessary (like Springer/Defender). I don't like replacing the Has/Tak version with a 3P. (Just personal preference...)

I did not need critique or clarification of my comment about the failure of the Dinobots in the classics line.


We got one Dinobot...Grimlock for the Classics line. FoC is technically FoC. Classics/Henkei Grimlock sucked. I owned both versions and the arms/neck plate weren't assembled right and is a well known fact.


I know a lot of you like what Hasbro shoves down your throat. It's ok. However they aren't always best. This time a 3rd Party company got it right. The figures look like they are supposed to. And FoC Grimlock is crap without the 3rd Party add ons to fix the hollowness of the figure.

I bought the Bruticus/Grimlock giftset and took it back after realizing the only saving grace was the chrome Grimlock has. I have KO's of better quality than that. FoC is a trash line with one or two figures that are truly built solid.

If you want a mis-representation of Dinobots for your Classics collection you either have to get the AoE or Animated aesthetic.

At lest FP is givingyou something that looks G1 with articulation

Agamemnon wrote:Is this what was meant by "stopped halfway through Grimlock?"

Was more aimed at the gaping holes in FOC Grimlock's under carriage.

Like the 1.0 Grimlock toy better than the FOC Grimlock toy. Think the 1.0 toy has more beautiful sculpting, better joints tech and superior engineering. toy negative is it needed to be Voyager scale.

HasTak struck out as the FOC toy in robot mode is so ugly and weird looking. The engineering on this toy is poor.

Think the FP and AOE Dinobots both took extreme liberties in sculpting in both modes. Neither look like homage 1985 Dinobots sculpts. At best both are Neo-G-1 Classics updates.

Now if your looking for homage 3rd party Dinobots toys than the FT Dinobots have come the closets in 1985 sculpting.

Get most don't like MP TF toys here and most prefer Classics scale. But those FT Dinobots won't stick out like a sore thumb on display shelves. Due to HasTak releasing over 21 MP TF toys. Also 3rd parties have released toys like Kronos, Combiners, Quakewave, Hexatron and others that can be displayed with the FT MP Dinobots.

Sorry, I'm just not prepared to spend over $525 for Five FP Dinobots that are Neo-G-1 Updates. Rather Spend $85 for the Neo-G-1 Updates AOE Dinobots toys instead.

If I'm gonna burn 3rd party cash on Dinobots toys. Think it's pointless to Spend $525 and settle for the inferior FP Dinobots. Might as well just throw in another $200 and get the Superior FT set of Four MP Dinobots toys instead. Don't need a FT Grimlock, As the HasTak one is just fine.

Not everyone wants MP Dinos... I don't want them, I don't have the room for all the space they will take up.

Also, am I the only one who likes FOC Grimlock? I think he is awesome!

warzon3 wrote:Not everyone wants MP Dinos... I don't want them, I don't have the room for all the space they will take up.

Also, am I the only one who likes FOC Grimlock? I think he is awesome!

Since I got the chest filler I quite like him. He's not perfect, by any stretch of the imagination, but I don't think he's nearly as bad as others have expressed. When Planet X and FP both get around to Grimlock, I will have a tough decision to make...

warzon3 wrote:Not everyone wants MP Dinos... I don't want them, I don't have the room for all the space they will take up.

Also, am I the only one who likes FOC Grimlock? I think he is awesome!

preachin to the choir man.

warzon3 wrote:Also, am I the only one who likes FOC Grimlock? I think he is awesome!

I liked him as-is, but am even happier now that I have the Iron Factory chest filler kit. The Classics version's bot mode disappointed me.

I am interested in knowing/seeing how FPs Grimlock will turn out.

necr0blivion wrote:

warzon3 wrote:Also, am I the only one who likes FOC Grimlock? I think he is awesome!

I liked him as-is, but am even happier now that I have the Iron Factory chest filler kit. The Classics version's bot mode disappointed me.

I like FoC Grimlock's Robot mode with the additional upgrade kits, but I'm not a fan of his Dino mode. Then again, I don't display him in dino mode so it doesn't bother me too much.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Like the 1.0 Grimlock toy better than the FOC Grimlock toy. Think the 1.0 toy has more beautiful sculpting, better joints tech and superior engineering. toy negative is it needed to be Voyager scale.

HasTak struck out as the FOC toy in robot mode is so ugly and weird looking. The engineering on this toy is poor.

Think the FP and AOE Dinobots both took extreme liberties in sculpting in both modes. Neither look like homage 1985 Dinobots sculpts. At best both are Neo-G-1 Classics updates.

Now if your looking for homage 3rd party Dinobots toys than the FT Dinobots have come the closets in 1985 sculpting.

Get most don't like MP TF toys here and most prefer Classics scale. But those FT Dinobots won't stick out like a sore thumb on display shelves. Due to HasTak releasing over 21 MP TF toys. Also 3rd parties have released toys like Kronos, Combiners, Quakewave, Hexatron and others that can be displayed with the FT MP Dinobots.

Sorry, I'm just not prepared to spend over $525 for Five FP Dinobots that are Neo-G-1 Updates. Rather Spend $85 for the Neo-G-1 Updates AOE Dinobots toys instead.

If I'm gonna burn 3rd party cash on Dinobots toys. Think it's pointless to Spend $525 and settle for the inferior FP Dinobots. Might as well just throw in another $200 and get the Superior FT set of Four MP Dinobots toys instead. Don't need a FT Grimlock, As the HasTak one is just fine.

From what I see even the latest release of MP-6 for TRU is inferior to it's own mold. FoC Grimlock is hollow and needed 3rd Party help to be a better figure. Classics/Henkei Grimlock was noted as built wrong.

So who is the inferior figure and maker of the figure? Hmmm...

If you look at Columpio...he sure look more like Sludge than AoE Slog or whatever Hasbro is calling him. In fact has there ever been an updated Sludge since 1984/85? No.

Now this always come down to a money thing and I understand. Well that's your business whether you want to spend money personally I don't care. The look is just right for the CHUG line which gets limited love from the very corporation that makes them. Therefore I'd rather get what I want then decide I will wait for a corporation that is more so out to make money than to try to cater to the fans. AoE is going to get more dinobots than CHUG because it's popular.The CHUG line has been out since 2006 and you got all six seekers yet you only got one Dinobot.

So if you're not prepared to spend $525 then hey more power to you but my point is we're not getting the figures to compliment the CHUG line from Hasbro.

bvzxa wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Like the 1.0 Grimlock toy better than the FOC Grimlock toy. Think the 1.0 toy has more beautiful sculpting, better joints tech and superior engineering. toy negative is it needed to be Voyager scale.

HasTak struck out as the FOC toy in robot mode is so ugly and weird looking. The engineering on this toy is poor.

Think the FP and AOE Dinobots both took extreme liberties in sculpting in both modes. Neither look like homage 1985 Dinobots sculpts. At best both are Neo-G-1 Classics updates.

Now if your looking for homage 3rd party Dinobots toys than the FT Dinobots have come the closets in 1985 sculpting.

Get most don't like MP TF toys here and most prefer Classics scale. But those FT Dinobots won't stick out like a sore thumb on display shelves. Due to HasTak releasing over 21 MP TF toys. Also 3rd parties have released toys like Kronos, Combiners, Quakewave, Hexatron and others that can be displayed with the FT MP Dinobots.

Sorry, I'm just not prepared to spend over $525 for Five FP Dinobots that are Neo-G-1 Updates. Rather Spend $85 for the Neo-G-1 Updates AOE Dinobots toys instead.

If I'm gonna burn 3rd party cash on Dinobots toys. Think it's pointless to Spend $525 and settle for the inferior FP Dinobots. Might as well just throw in another $200 and get the Superior FT set of Four MP Dinobots toys instead. Don't need a FT Grimlock, As the HasTak one is just fine.

From what I see even the latest release of MP-6 for TRU is inferior to it's own mold. FoC Grimlock is hollow and needed 3rd Party help to be a better figure. Classics/Henkei Grimlock was noted as built wrong.

So who is the inferior figure and maker of the figure? Hmmm...

If you look at Columpio...he sure look more like Sludge than AoE Slog or whatever Hasbro is calling him. In fact has there ever been an updated Sludge since 1984/85? No.

Now this always come down to a money thing and I understand. Well that's your business whether you want to spend money personally I don't care. The look is just right for the CHUG line which gets limited love from the very corporation that makes them. Therefore I'd rather get what I want then decide I will wait for a corporation that is more so out to make money than to try to cater to the fans. AoE is going to get more dinobots than CHUG because it's popular.The CHUG line has been out since 2006 and you got all six seekers yet you only got one Dinobot.

So if you're not prepared to spend $525 then hey more power to you but my point is we're not getting the figures to compliment the CHUG line from Hasbro.

Hastak often uses different TF toy lines to give fans their CHUG toys.
ROTF gave fans a CHUG Bludgeon toy. The SDCC G-1 Deco AOE Dinobots is HasTak's attempt at giving fans CHUG Dinobots.

Some online TF fans are calling the mass release AOE Generations Dinobots toys as the G-2 colored toy versions.

Reads like your CHUG standards are higher than others. Others care less and will accept these AOE Mass release Dinobots or SDCC G-1 Deco AOE Dinobots as their CHUG Dinobots. Just because you don't accept something does not mean it doesn't exist and HasTak didn't try to please the fans.

Also reads like you need to see the Classics-Generations words on the packages and instructions in order to consider them CHUG toys. Due to the HasTak budgets and Marketing, Sometimes HasTak feels some CHUG toys might sell better in different TF toy lines. Like HFTD Mindwipe which was clearly a CHUG toy put in a movie verse package.

Tsutsukakushi, please stick to your own opinions and let "others" speak for themselves. You can disagree with someone and use your own reasoning without using some faceless masses to justify your own position. Also, don't read into/put words in others' thoughts. I think bvzxa did a fine job justifying his/her opinion without even inferring what you are accusing (need to see "Classics-Generations" on an instruction sheet, for instance.)

Personally, slapping G1 colors on AoE Dinobots is a poor attempt at satisfying Classics/Generations Dinobots. (Especially when passing off a Brachiosaurus as an Apatosaurus is what we get. Sheesh!) If all it took was paint, wouldn't the Animated versions also work? I like the FP Dinobots as being what Hasbro could have given us in true Classics/Generations fashion. Perhaps someday we will get them. I never thought we'd see a leader Jetfire, Arcee, or headmaster, and yet all three are due very soon.

Tsutsukakushi wrote:

bvzxa wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Like the 1.0 Grimlock toy better than the FOC Grimlock toy. Think the 1.0 toy has more beautiful sculpting, better joints tech and superior engineering. toy negative is it needed to be Voyager scale.

HasTak struck out as the FOC toy in robot mode is so ugly and weird looking. The engineering on this toy is poor.

Think the FP and AOE Dinobots both took extreme liberties in sculpting in both modes. Neither look like homage 1985 Dinobots sculpts. At best both are Neo-G-1 Classics updates.

Now if your looking for homage 3rd party Dinobots toys than the FT Dinobots have come the closets in 1985 sculpting.

Get most don't like MP TF toys here and most prefer Classics scale. But those FT Dinobots won't stick out like a sore thumb on display shelves. Due to HasTak releasing over 21 MP TF toys. Also 3rd parties have released toys like Kronos, Combiners, Quakewave, Hexatron and others that can be displayed with the FT MP Dinobots.

Sorry, I'm just not prepared to spend over $525 for Five FP Dinobots that are Neo-G-1 Updates. Rather Spend $85 for the Neo-G-1 Updates AOE Dinobots toys instead.

If I'm gonna burn 3rd party cash on Dinobots toys. Think it's pointless to Spend $525 and settle for the inferior FP Dinobots. Might as well just throw in another $200 and get the Superior FT set of Four MP Dinobots toys instead. Don't need a FT Grimlock, As the HasTak one is just fine.

From what I see even the latest release of MP-6 for TRU is inferior to it's own mold. FoC Grimlock is hollow and needed 3rd Party help to be a better figure. Classics/Henkei Grimlock was noted as built wrong.

So who is the inferior figure and maker of the figure? Hmmm...

If you look at Columpio...he sure look more like Sludge than AoE Slog or whatever Hasbro is calling him. In fact has there ever been an updated Sludge since 1984/85? No.

Now this always come down to a money thing and I understand. Well that's your business whether you want to spend money personally I don't care. The look is just right for the CHUG line which gets limited love from the very corporation that makes them. Therefore I'd rather get what I want then decide I will wait for a corporation that is more so out to make money than to try to cater to the fans. AoE is going to get more dinobots than CHUG because it's popular.The CHUG line has been out since 2006 and you got all six seekers yet you only got one Dinobot.

So if you're not prepared to spend $525 then hey more power to you but my point is we're not getting the figures to compliment the CHUG line from Hasbro.

Hastak often uses different TF toy lines to give fans their CHUG toys.
ROTF gave fans a CHUG Bludgeon toy. The SDCC G-1 Deco AOE Dinobots is HasTak's attempt at giving fans CHUG Dinobots.

Some online TF fans are calling the mass release AOE Generations Dinobots toys as the G-2 colored toy versions.

Reads like your CHUG standards are higher than others. Others care less and will accept these AOE Mass release Dinobots or SDCC G-1 Deco AOE Dinobots as their CHUG Dinobots. Just because you don't accept something does not mean it doesn't exist and HasTak didn't try to please the fans.

Also reads like you need to see the Classics-Generations words on the packages and instructions in order to consider them CHUG toys. Due to the HasTak budgets and Marketing, Sometimes HasTak feels some CHUG toys might sell better in different TF toy lines. Like HFTD Mindwipe which was clearly a CHUG toy put in a movie verse package.

No that's where your wrong. It was said Generations would be mixed in with the AoE line when the cases ship out to the stores. The newest wave still has the "generations" logo on it. So basically it's still Generations, it's still CHUG.

Everything you mentioned is interpretation. Bludgeon and Mindwipe are still ROTF/Movie aesthetic they were adopted as CHUG because well there was nothing else around. In fact there were two Bludgeons from 2007 and ROTF respectively as well as ROTF Whirl who still needed 3rd Party help to achieve a more updated G1 look. Hence they were still movie toys while the CHUG line was running concurrent with the movie lines as filler. Hasbro themselves made another Whirl to compliment CHUG.

Mindwipe was nice but he is not what he should be, a Headmaster. Now for the record we have two Headmasters, one a Botcon exclusive and another voyager coming out real soon. Hasbro again has stated if Brainstorm sells they might make another. Now this is what I am talking about, Hasbro will probably make one more which we don't know who it will be. We know the repaints coming out like Nightbeat and Chromedome will be official. However they are not officially Headmasters which is made and was made by none other than Hasbro. We got two 3rd party companies trying to put out a good proportioned amount of Headmasters. One is making them specifically for the CHUG line, FansProject. They pretty much committed themselves to make them as true Headmasters. Again, where's Hasbro?

This is what I am saying. There is know denying that Columpio looks like G1 Sludge updated. If you painted Columpio in G2 colors, he would look like his G2 counterpart.

AoE Dinobots don't look like anything from G1 or G2 with the exception that the AoE colors are so wacy they could match G2.

Look I quit but I got $525 on all 5 FP Dinobots. I can't wait.

bvzxa wrote: No that's where your wrong. It was said Generations would be mixed in with the AoE line when the cases ship out to the stores. The newest wave still has the "generations" logo on it. So basically it's still Generations, it's still CHUG.

Hasbro came up with the TF4 Movie Generations assortment name to describe the higher kids aged, more complex, more Articulated TF4M Toys.

No, The TF4M Generations toys will not eventually get mixed in the assortment boxes of the upcoming newer 30th Generations toys. 30th G and TF4M G will ship in their own seperate assortments boxes, Not mixed in eventually like your implying they will.

bvzxa wrote: Everything you mentioned is interpretation. Bludgeon and Mindwipe are still ROTF/Movie aesthetic they were adopted as CHUG because well there was nothing else around. In fact there were two Bludgeons from 2007 and ROTF respectively as well as ROTF Whirl who still needed 3rd Party help to achieve a more updated G1 look. Hence they were still movie toys while the CHUG line was running concurrent with the movie lines as filler. Hasbro themselves made another Whirl to compliment CHUG.

Mindwipe was nice but he is not what he should be, a Headmaster. Now for the record we have two Headmasters, one a Botcon exclusive and another voyager coming out real soon. Hasbro again has stated if Brainstorm sells they might make another. Now this is what I am talking about, Hasbro will probably make one more which we don't know who it will be. We know the repaints coming out like Nightbeat and Chromedome will be official. However they are not officially Headmasters which is made and was made by none other than Hasbro. We got two 3rd party companies trying to put out a good proportioned amount of Headmasters. One is making them specifically for the CHUG line, FansProject. They pretty much committed themselves to make them as true Headmasters. Again, where's Hasbro?

They don't need to be Nebulan Headmasters, Targetmasters, Powermasters, Pretenders, non-combiner versions to get accepted as official updates. some fans have accepted those HasTak CHUG TF toys as the Pre-forms or the After evolved forms.

A big chunk of the newer 30th Generations 2013 to 2014 toys are not even coming from the 1980's G-1 universe. They are coming from the FOC Alternate G-1 Universe or the IDW Alternate G-1 Universe.

Tsutsu;

Do you really still wonder why people dislike you? Really???

It's the same thing you portray in each and every thread you enter.

I think Agamemnon nailed it in his previous comment;

Agamemnon wrote:Tsutsukakushi, please stick to your own opinions and let "others" speak for themselves. You can disagree with someone and use your own reasoning without using some faceless masses to justify your own position. Also, don't read into/put words in others' thoughts.

Maybe it's not up to me to vent my opinion, but you are really starting to annoy some

people over here.

I was thinking of getting the SDCC dinobots but I think I'll save my money for the FP set instead! I was only really interested in the SDCC set for the base anyway, too bad it's made of cardboard.

Also Tsutsukakushi please refrain from annoying everyone on the boards with your opinions you restate in every thread. If you feel like getting the Fanstoys versions then by all means go ahead but stop calling something the superior and inferior versions when YOU HAVE NOTHING IN HAND! and most of them are not even made yet.

*sigh* Tsutsukakushi... you really need to learn to differentiate between personal opinion and proven fact. You want people to like you? Start respecting your fellow poster's opinions and accept them when they don't coincide with your own -WITHOUT- going on to write an essay per post about why you're right and whomever you're arguing with at the time is wrong. Unless you can provide concrete evidence to back up your claim it is only an opinion and this includes, but is not limited to, what is or isn't an inferior toy.

FP Dinobots aren't for you? Cool. Great. Grand. State that you have no place in your collection for these figures as they don't match your style, vision, demands for your collection rather than making statements about why they're bad toys (or whatever...) and then -move along-. It is absolutely ridiculous how everyone around here has to keep reminding you that not everyone shares your opinions.

Agamemnon wrote:Is this what was meant by "stopped halfway through Grimlock?"

Upright, just for Rated X.

Awesome ! I love my dinos big, dumb and dragging their tails G1 style !