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zodconvoy wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'll agree with the larger point that they could have made these bigger. Even just to match small sized deluxe cars. And I'm not talking about large sized deluxes like Jazz! No, small deluxes would have been fine with me.

How does Wheeljack work for you? He's the smallest Deluxe Autobot I can think of.



Pretty damn close to me.

So close to a perfect size, so very close. But I do think these will fit in on a Decepticon shelf, at least. I believe they're about the same size as FoC Shockwave, Starscream, and Label Soundwave, right? It's just too bad all those guys are fairly small themselves.

Still wanna see how they look next to RID Sideburn or DotM barracade. Vehicle modes, I mean. I have a feeling they may justify the size somewhat.

man,wheeljack should really keep his hand off of those energon goodie
seiously though,im really glad with their size..

Gauntlet101010 wrote:So close to a perfect size, so very close. But I do think these will fit in on a Decepticon shelf, at least. I believe they're about the same size as FoC Shockwave, Starscream, and Label Soundwave, right? It's just too bad all those guys are fairly small themselves.

Still wanna see how they look next to RID Sideburn or DotM barracade. Vehicle modes, I mean. I have a feeling they may justify the size somewhat.

I wasn't sure if you meant FoC Starscream or Classics and
I don't have FoC Shockwave but here's another pic for comparison.

zodconvoy wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:So close to a perfect size, so very close. But I do think these will fit in on a Decepticon shelf, at least. I believe they're about the same size as FoC Shockwave, Starscream, and Label Soundwave, right? It's just too bad all those guys are fairly small themselves.

Still wanna see how they look next to RID Sideburn or DotM barracade. Vehicle modes, I mean. I have a feeling they may justify the size somewhat.

I wasn't sure if you meant FoC Starscream or Classics and
I don't have FoC Shockwave but here's another pic for comparison.

Keep em away from the Autobot shelf and guess what, they look nice! Still don't like the elbows on Menasor though... For an update to a cheap gestalt from a few years back, sure no problem. For a made from scratch gestalt, not sure...

Trying to talk myself out of this again because you guys are really, really, getting me interested again Just need to know how much MM is going to cost before I bite.

Yeah, I meant classics Screamer. Gotta admit, they're the right size for the classics cons shelf. Of course the classics cons are all a bit undersize for my tastes, but MMC's Predaking should bring in some much needed heft among my classics Decepticon forces (yes, Predaking can be an oversized combiner).

The elbows DO NOT bother me. It was a little off-putting when I first saw them, but it matches the look of FP upgraded Bruticus, which is MY Bruticus. Being an upgrade is besides the point, that Bruticus does NOT suffer from the look of his elbows and I don't think Menasor will suffer for them either.

Plus you gotta counter this with the OTHER fact out there. The only other company likely to do the set is TFC. And that will be a $500 set. Is Menasor worth $500 to you? Devestator is, and Predaking's looks are enough for me to justify MMC's price (at the early bird levels anyway). This is the sheer mercenary, practicality of collecting: questioning whether it's worth half a grand. And that's only a maybe; who knows if they're even going to do it! It's not like they've doen their Dinobots and that's gone through prototyping.

In the end there's a cost to suck factor that's gotta be worked in. This Menasor isn't perfect. The elbows and smallness are some examples. Then you have the standard FP deviation (oddly there's no consistant output for G1 eque heads for FP products). I'll agree that the individual figures cost too much for their size. HOWEVER! Will they set you back as much as a TFC product? Do you want a combining Menasor? Will they set you back even as much as hunting down the official hasbro figures will after so long?

If you have a Menasor-sized hole in your collection, I'd act now and get this while it's hot. FP does reissue their sets eventually, but they're all $10 more when they do and, IMHO, these sets are just barely worth the current asking price. Juuuuust barely. We'll see how offset Motormaster's price is.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:The elbows DO NOT bother me. It was a little off-putting when I first saw them, but it matches the look of FP upgraded Bruticus, which is MY Bruticus. Being an upgrade is besides the point, that Bruticus does NOT suffer from the look of his elbows and I don't think Menasor will suffer for them either.

The elbows aren't a deal breaker for me now (they were a while ago, but I'm getting used to them), but Menasor does and always will suffer slightly for them.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Plus you gotta counter this with the OTHER fact out there. The only other company likely to do the set is TFC. And that will be a $500 set. Is Menasor worth $500 to you? Devestator is, and Predaking's looks are enough for me to justify MMC's price (at the early bird levels anyway). This is the sheer mercenary, practicality of collecting: questioning whether it's worth half a grand. And that's only a maybe; who knows if they're even going to do it! It's not like they've doen their Dinobots and that's gone through prototyping.

In the end there's a cost to suck factor that's gotta be worked in. This Menasor isn't perfect. The elbows and smallness are some examples. Then you have the standard FP deviation (oddly there's no consistant output for G1 eque heads for FP products). I'll agree that the individual figures cost too much for their size. HOWEVER! Will they set you back as much as a TFC product? Do you want a combining Menasor? Will they set you back even as much as hunting down the official hasbro figures will after so long?

If you have a Menasor-sized hole in your collection, I'd act now and get this while it's hot. FP does reissue their sets eventually, but they're all $10 more when they do and, IMHO, these sets are just barely worth the current asking price. Juuuuust barely. We'll see how offset Motormaster's price is.

The cost is probably the biggest factor for me personally. A few pages back I mentioned how MM would have to be around $80 for this set to not be a ripoff. With MM making most of the legs as well as the body I could justify him costing $130 like TFC Not-Silverbolt, but with the extra $10 per limb-bot that makes MM a $90 toy at most.

If MM is $80 - $90 (he shouldn't be more than $80 FP!), then I will get the set. FP just need to get their act together and reveal MM's price (and bot mode).

I got t bone today and he looks great in hand next to car crash and has got me over the whole size issue having two the same height cc doesnt look so out of place , looking forward to the rest now.

Iv'e got to say i dont like the leg transformation into alt mode poping those pegs had me on edge .

Over all two very smart looking transformers both modes look fantastic i for one can say im glad i got them.

Sorry, Pic blitz was a bit delayed. I graduated last week and, what with final exams and everything, I was a bit busy.

Sorry, my Movie stuff is just getting packed up and I cannot find anything there. But I did use several Classics/Generations molds and brought out PRID Cliffjumper for more recent deluxe judging.


Full line of comparisons

Alt modes

Here I brought in PRID Cliffjumper. So....which scale of deluxe should we be looking for, eh?




^-- This picture really shows the size shrinkage in deluxes from the beginning of the Classics line. FP is just smaller than the PRID deluxes, but quite a bit larger than the scouts, at least in robot mode. Wheeljack is definitely bulkier, and the FP offerings compact down into alt mode impressively. (The more I fiddle with them, the more they are growing on me. I feel like I've gotten down the nuances of the transformation to be far less fiddly for me now.

Oh, and I think these types of pics have been put out there before, but here's T-Bone with Nemesis (or whatever dark prime this is, Scourge? I cannot keep track.)




If Motormaster is in scale with Voyager Prime, I will be a happy, happy camper!

Agamemnon wrote:Sorry, Pic blitz was a bit delayed. I graduated last week and, what with final exams and everything, I was a bit busy.

Grats

Agamemnon wrote:Sorry, my Movie stuff is just getting packed up and I cannot find anything there. But I did use several Classics/Generations molds and brought out PRID Cliffjumper for more recent deluxe judging.


Here I brought in PRID Cliffjumper. So....which scale of deluxe should we be looking for, eh?

FP is just smaller than the PRID deluxes, but quite a bit larger than the scouts, at least in robot mode. Wheeljack is definitely bulkier, and the FP offerings compact down into alt mode impressively. (The more I fiddle with them, the more they are growing on me. I feel like I've gotten down the nuances of the transformation to be far less fiddly for me now.

Oh, and I think these types of pics have been put out there before, but here's T-Bone with Nemesis (or whatever dark prime this is, Scourge? I cannot keep track.)

Great pics, they've helped me to realise just how much FP designed them to compact which is totally different to the CHUG toys! I had noticed that before, but only now am I realising the impact of that decision when it comes to the size of the alt modes. If they had made the transformation a little more like the CHUG toys the alt modes would've looked a little bigger and there wouldn't have been as many issues

The cars do fit with OP quite well, but he should've been Ultra Class from the start, not this half-arsed Voyager nonsense.

Agamemnon wrote:If Motormaster is in scale with Voyager Prime, I will be a happy, happy camper!

When you look at the pic of all five Stunticons in alt mode it is fairly clear that MM is going to be smaller

Arctorro wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:Sorry, Pic blitz was a bit delayed. I graduated last week and, what with final exams and everything, I was a bit busy.

Grats

Agamemnon wrote:Sorry, my Movie stuff is just getting packed up and I cannot find anything there. But I did use several Classics/Generations molds and brought out PRID Cliffjumper for more recent deluxe judging.


Here I brought in PRID Cliffjumper. So....which scale of deluxe should we be looking for, eh?

FP is just smaller than the PRID deluxes, but quite a bit larger than the scouts, at least in robot mode. Wheeljack is definitely bulkier, and the FP offerings compact down into alt mode impressively. (The more I fiddle with them, the more they are growing on me. I feel like I've gotten down the nuances of the transformation to be far less fiddly for me now.

Oh, and I think these types of pics have been put out there before, but here's T-Bone with Nemesis (or whatever dark prime this is, Scourge? I cannot keep track.)

Great pics, they've helped me to realise just how much FP designed them to compact which is totally different to the CHUG toys! I had noticed that before, but only now am I realising the impact of that decision when it comes to the size of the alt modes. If they had made the transformation a little more like the CHUG toys the alt modes would've looked a little bigger and there wouldn't have been as many issues

The cars do fit with OP quite well, but he should've been Ultra Class from the start, not this half-arsed Voyager nonsense.

Agamemnon wrote:If Motormaster is in scale with Voyager Prime, I will be a happy, happy camper!

When you look at the pic of all five Stunticons in alt mode it is fairly clear that MM is going to be smaller

Motormaster's always been smaller than Prime, no matter whether it's the G1 cartoon or G1 toys. A MM that was in scale with (as big as) Prime would be too big. From a classics/neo-G1 perspective, this sizing is pretty accurate.

DevastaTTor wrote:Motormaster's always been smaller than Prime, no matter whether it's the G1 cartoon or G1 toys. A MM that was in scale with (as big as) Prime would be too big. From a classics/neo-G1 perspective, this sizing is pretty accurate.

He is close, but not quite big enough

Though I must admit that I've had a BBTS shopping cart up, with Car Crash and T-Bone in it, all day. I just look at it every so often trying to will myself to click Enter Checkout! Still 50/50 atm

It's too bad MM is going to be smaller than Voyager Prime. "Should have been just a bit bigger" will be the phrase this set is known for.

Eh? So is this smaller than classic prime speculation then? because i consider that mold to be small I would hope mm would be at least a couple of cm bigger, personaly i want it to be a tad smaller than hegemon and then if toyworld ever release tw-02 i will have a decent sized prime to say its in scale.

Autobot Genocide wrote:Eh? So is this smaller than classic prime speculation then? because i consider that mold to be small I would hope mm would be at least a couple of cm bigger, personaly i want it to be a tad smaller than hegemon and then if toyworld ever release tw-02 i will have a decent sized prime to say its in scale.

Which Classics Prime? Voyager was very decently sized, IMO. I didn't find him small at all. The Deluxe that came with G2 Megatron, on the other hand, was pretty small.

Agamemnon wrote:

Autobot Genocide wrote:Eh? So is this smaller than classic prime speculation then? because i consider that mold to be small I would hope mm would be at least a couple of cm bigger, personaly i want it to be a tad smaller than hegemon and then if toyworld ever release tw-02 i will have a decent sized prime to say its in scale.

Which Classics Prime? Voyager was very decently sized, IMO. I didn't find him small at all. The Deluxe that came with G2 Megatron, on the other hand, was pretty small.

Yeah the voyager it could just be me thinking about the mold being small for optimus and that taking away the actual size of the figure its self , thats the reason i dont have a clsssic optimus i have the um repaint but hes tucked away in his ko city commander suit and ive not seen him for a while.

I have my fingers crossed motormaster will be bigger than that voyager and that tw02 is still in line for a release.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:It's too bad MM is going to be smaller than Voyager Prime. "Should have been just a bit bigger" will be the phrase this set is known for.

Agreed. Fansproject really dropped the ball on this set. This was supposed to be their big debut of a full original combiner. Between scale issues, an ugly Drag Strip and Dead End, and no official images of Motormaster, (only leaked) this set is not living up to the hype. Ill have the 1st two in hand by the end of the week. Ill speak more on them then.

I keep seeing this thread getting updated with distant hopes of an update of some kind... instead it's just another 2+ pages of whining about size/scale

Shadowstream wrote:I keep seeing this thread getting updated with distant hopes of an update of some kind... instead it's just another 2+ pages of whining about size/scale

+1 internets, good sir.

Rated X wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:It's too bad MM is going to be smaller than Voyager Prime. "Should have been just a bit bigger" will be the phrase this set is known for.

Agreed. Fansproject really dropped the ball on this set. This was supposed to be their big debut of a full original combiner. Between scale issues, an ugly Drag Strip and Dead End, and no official images of Motormaster, (only leaked) this set is not living up to the hype. Ill have the 1st two in hand by the end of the week. Ill speak more on them then.

The small size, lack of paint apps, fidgety transformation, popping ball joints, somewhat cheap feeling plastic and high cost of these guys is sadly reminding me a LOT of Hasbro's offerings.

I sure hope the combined mode is worth the price. The individual bots, at least in my opinion, are definitely not. At least not so far. We'll see how Deadend, Dragstrip and Motormaster turn out, but so far, I'm far from impressed .

NOS wrote:

Shadowstream wrote:I keep seeing this thread getting updated with distant hopes of an update of some kind... instead it's just another 2+ pages of whining about size/scale

+1 internets, good sir.

+2

This thread has become

Shadowstream wrote:I keep seeing this thread getting updated with distant hopes of an update of some kind... instead it's just another 2+ pages of whining about size/scale

Hey, I'm whining about a lot more than just size/scale

xyl360 wrote:

Shadowstream wrote:I keep seeing this thread getting updated with distant hopes of an update of some kind... instead it's just another 2+ pages of whining about size/scale

Hey, I'm whining about a lot more than just size/scale

+1 internets, good sir

xyl360 wrote:

Shadowstream wrote:I keep seeing this thread getting updated with distant hopes of an update of some kind... instead it's just another 2+ pages of whining about size/scale

Hey, I'm whining about a lot more than just size/scale

We may exempt you from then.

In most of the recent posts in the thread I'm asking for clarification of scale and discussing my views on it in relation to Uronos. Seems like a perfectly fair discussion to have right now since comparison pics of the size are just now coming out. Unfortunately it's this product's primary flaw.

That said, I've also said multiple times that it's not a deal breaker and pics next to classics Decepticons doesn't make it seem so bad.

It's all whining as far as I'm concerned. All I care about are pictures of what we haven't seen yet, and a pricetag for not-motormaster so I know where(not) to spend money this year.