The Energon Pub

zodconvoy wrote:Here they are on my pre-Movie Con shelf. You've got Seekers, Bombshell, Bruticus, ML Soundwave, all manner of other figures there. I have a pretty complete Classics collection so if you want to see them with any bots in particular, name them.

Your awesomeness knows no bounds! Thank you for that

Could you take a pic of them with Wheeljack and Prowl in their alt modes please?

I got Car Crash and I must say I'm somewhat disappointed. It's OK, but the transformation is fidgety, ball joints pop off, it's kinda sparse in paint apps (not too dissimilar from Hasbro products honestly) and he's super tiny (just barely larger than scout size).

For the money he cost, I don't feel it was worth it. I'm still getting the set for Menasor, but I suspect that if the rest of the not-Stunticons are like this, I'm going to feel just a wee bit unsatisfied. FP used to be a lot better than this.

xyl360 wrote:I got Car Crash and I must say I'm somewhat disappointed. It's OK, but the transformation is fidgety, ball joints pop off, it's kinda sparse in paint apps (not too dissimilar from Hasbro products honestly) and he's super tiny (just barely larger than scout size).

For the money he cost, I don't feel it was worth it. I'm still getting the set for Menasor, but I suspect that if the rest of the not-Stunticons are like this, I'm going to feel just a wee bit unsatisfied. FP used to be a lot better than this.

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I had trouble with him too, with ball joints popping. I also got him for Menasor. I seem to remember that these were a little pricier to keep Motormaster's cost down. If Motomaster costs $120, I might start feeling buyer's remorse.

I brought out some of my deluxes to take some comparison pics tomorrow. I'd say these are about half way between scouts and deluxes, just a bit smaller than the Prime Deluxes. Pic blitz tomorrow. (And I do have a Smokescreen and Wheeljack to show in vehicle mode, along with Windcharger and PRID Cliffjumper. Just for you, Arctorro. )

Arctorro wrote:

zodconvoy wrote:Here they are on my pre-Movie Con shelf. You've got Seekers, Bombshell, Bruticus, ML Soundwave, all manner of other figures there. I have a pretty complete Classics collection so if you want to see them with any bots in particular, name them.

Your awesomeness knows no bounds! Thank you for that

Could you take a pic of them with Wheeljack and Prowl in their alt modes please?

SHAZAM!



I threw in Sideswipe, Windcharger, and Sideburn (the Hot Rod mold) just because. Like I said, smaller than a Deluxe but bigger than a Scout. I am quite satisfied with them.

Agamemnon wrote:

xyl360 wrote:I got Car Crash and I must say I'm somewhat disappointed. It's OK, but the transformation is fidgety, ball joints pop off, it's kinda sparse in paint apps (not too dissimilar from Hasbro products honestly) and he's super tiny (just barely larger than scout size).

For the money he cost, I don't feel it was worth it. I'm still getting the set for Menasor, but I suspect that if the rest of the not-Stunticons are like this, I'm going to feel just a wee bit unsatisfied. FP used to be a lot better than this.

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I had trouble with him too, with ball joints popping. I also got him for Menasor. I seem to remember that these were a little pricier to keep Motormaster's cost down. If Motomaster costs $120, I might start feeling buyer's remorse.

If Motormaster's cost is ok and your more interested in Menasor then this set would probably be good going by what you guys are saying. I'd be buying them for the individual bot/alt modes as well as Menasor and it does seem like there might be some buyers remorse...

Agamemnon wrote:I brought out some of my deluxes to take some comparison pics tomorrow. I'd say these are about half way between scouts and deluxes, just a bit smaller than the Prime Deluxes. Pic blitz tomorrow. (And I do have a Smokescreen and Wheeljack to show in vehicle mode, along with Windcharger and PRID Cliffjumper. Just for you, Arctorro. )

I'm feeling so very very special right now Can't wait to see em!

zodconvoy wrote:SHAZAM!



I threw in Sideswipe, Windcharger, and Sideburn (the Hot Rod mold) just because. Like I said, smaller than a Deluxe but bigger than a Scout. I am quite satisfied with them.

Thanks for the pic, it does really help get a good judgement of size.

But looking at the wheelbases on these guys, I'm seeing them as completely scout sized (I know the bot mode stands a bit taller), and I'm in the camp that is disappointed with that.

Be that as it may, I'm getting this set, but may just sell it off later down the road if a different group releases Stunticons in a size/style that I prefer.

Seeing as how this set is not meant to enhance a Hasbro scout class set, I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why FP didn't just scale them with ALL OTHER Hasbro deluxe cars. As much as I like FP Bruticus, they need to let him go already and stop basing everything to scale with him. Large combiners like Hercules, Uranus, and Feral Rex are the future. They tower over deluxe figures with amazing cartoon accuracy instead of being slavish to the scale of outdated "enhancement" sets.

Rated X wrote:Seeing as how this set is not meant to enhance a Hasbro scout class set, I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why FP didn't just scale them with ALL OTHER Hasbro deluxe cars. As much as I like FP Bruticus, they need to let him go already and stop basing everything to scale with him. Large combiners like Hercules, Uranus, and Feral Rex are the future. They tower over deluxe figures with amazing cartoon accuracy instead of being slavish to the scale of outdated "enhancement" sets.

They're keeping them in scale with their other releases. Why is that so hard for people to accept? TFC is doing the same thing with their combiners, why does FP have to rescale their products to TFC standards?

If people don't like them, they can speak with their wallets and not buy them and wait to see if a bigger "Menasor" set gets released by a different 3P.

This is what they are people, take them or leave them. Can we move past the scale debate now?

Rated X wrote:Seeing as how this set is not meant to enhance a Hasbro scout class set, I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why FP didn't just scale them with ALL OTHER Hasbro deluxe cars. As much as I like FP Bruticus, they need to let him go already and stop basing everything to scale with him. Large combiners like Hercules, Uranus, and Feral Rex are the future. They tower over deluxe figures with amazing cartoon accuracy instead of being slavish to the scale of outdated "enhancement" sets.

I agree, But as mentioned in other posts with the size difference between planes and cars being huge these been a smaller combiner suits me for this set since Giant isn't that much smaller than Herc so Menasor shouldn't look out of place when displayed.

Rated X wrote:Seeing as how this set is not meant to enhance a Hasbro scout class set, I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why FP didn't just scale them with ALL OTHER Hasbro deluxe cars. As much as I like FP Bruticus, they need to let him go already and stop basing everything to scale with him. Large combiners like Hercules, Uranus, and Feral Rex are the future. They tower over deluxe figures with amazing cartoon accuracy instead of being slavish to the scale of outdated "enhancement" sets.

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DevastaTTor wrote:

Rated X wrote:Seeing as how this set is not meant to enhance a Hasbro scout class set, I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why FP didn't just scale them with ALL OTHER Hasbro deluxe cars. As much as I like FP Bruticus, they need to let him go already and stop basing everything to scale with him. Large combiners like Hercules, Uranus, and Feral Rex are the future. They tower over deluxe figures with amazing cartoon accuracy instead of being slavish to the scale of outdated "enhancement" sets.

They're keeping them in scale with their other releases. Why is that so hard for people to accept? TFC is doing the same thing with their combiners, why does FP have to rescale their products to TFC standards?

If people don't like them, they can speak with their wallets and not buy them and wait to see if a bigger "Menasor" set gets released by a different 3P.

This is what they are people, take them or leave them. Can we move past the scale debate now?

Agreed. I like the scale. It goes well with the rest of my collection. Plus, if they went up to scale being the same as TFC's stuff, then we would be paying 100 bucks a pop. with the leaders being around 130. I don't have that kind of cash to spend.

You know what, though? I'll bet if FP did start making the scale larger on their stuff, then they would be bitching about the price when it jumped from 60 to around 110.....

headsortails wrote:

DevastaTTor wrote:

Rated X wrote:Seeing as how this set is not meant to enhance a Hasbro scout class set, I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why FP didn't just scale them with ALL OTHER Hasbro deluxe cars. As much as I like FP Bruticus, they need to let him go already and stop basing everything to scale with him. Large combiners like Hercules, Uranus, and Feral Rex are the future. They tower over deluxe figures with amazing cartoon accuracy instead of being slavish to the scale of outdated "enhancement" sets.

They're keeping them in scale with their other releases. Why is that so hard for people to accept? TFC is doing the same thing with their combiners, why does FP have to rescale their products to TFC standards?

If people don't like them, they can speak with their wallets and not buy them and wait to see if a bigger "Menasor" set gets released by a different 3P.

This is what they are people, take them or leave them. Can we move past the scale debate now?

Agreed. I like the scale. It goes well with the rest of my collection. Plus, if they went up to scale being the same as TFC's stuff, then we would be paying 100 bucks a pop. with the leaders being around 130. I don't have that kind of cash to spend.

You know what, though? I'll bet if FP did start making the scale larger on their stuff, then they would be bitching about the price when it jumped from 60 to around 110.....

They are not keeping it in scale with other releases. (I'm talking about original 3rd party combiners in general, not old FP add on kits for Hasbro stuff) I just cant put FP Bruticus and FP Superion in the same class with all the new stuff. It's like comparing apples to oranges. One is an add on set to make some really crappy figures look cool. The other is an original set that doesn't need Hasbro parts to work or look cool. And it's funny that nobody complains that FP Bruticus dwarfs FP Superion. People swear the two are in scale with each other and they're not. Giant's combiner mode might be on scale with FP Bruticus, but once you get to the individual bots, they dwarf the FP scout size figures in either mode. The only figure that scales 100% in all modes with FP Bruticus is FOC Bruticus. I think we can all agree the size of Hasbro scouts is determined by what will sell best to Hasbro's target audience: kids and their cheap parents. But when youre talking 3rd party, were not talking kids anymore. Were talking adult collectibles that cost MONEY. It would be a shame if FP gave us super small Stunticons just to satisfy "on a budget" collectors. And the prices went up too. Munitioner and Explorer were under 50 bucks. Im not ashamed to admit when somethings a bit overpriced, but when I want something, I go all in. If I wanted to save money, I would just stick with only Hasbro stuff.

FP upgrades Superion DOES match FP Bruticus and Menasor. Superion's smaller, but he's still at the right size. Plus they're working with Maketoys and their release of Giant. In combined mode all of these sets compliment each other (I'll grant you, Superion is showing his age).

Why wouldn't they want to match Collossus? Yeah it's an add-on set, but a new version was just made so it's not like it's off the table.

BUT! BUT! BUT! I'll agree with the larger point that they could have made these bigger. Even just to match small sized deluxe cars. And I'm not talking about large sized deluxes like Jazz! No, small deluxes would have been fine with me. These are more expencive than their Bruticus sets, which came with a shitload of accessories. If they were larger I'd probably have been happy to hay and extra $10 for each. I wouldn't want them to be $100 per limb, but I could handle $70. And, let's be honest here, with the way Menasor transforms bigger cars wouldn't have made a dent in their combined size. The legs are shin guards after all. The arms would have been monkey arms, but I could deal.

But, even if they are small, I'm excited for them. In combined mode they'll look nice with Giant and Bruticus.

zodconvoy wrote:I threw in Sideswipe, Windcharger, and Sideburn (the Hot Rod mold) just because. Like I said, smaller than a Deluxe but bigger than a Scout. I am quite satisfied with them.

Your post went up while I was typing my last one and I didn't see this. Great pic, thanks!

They're not as bad size wise as I was thinking, so I might end up getting these. Will just need to see the price of Motormaster and how Menasor compares to Herc and Uranos seeing as that's the gestalt direction I went with. As I said a while back, MM needs to be around $80, maybe 90 at most, to be a decent price when compared to the TFC and MMC teams considering the much smaller size of each Stunticon.

Rated X wrote:

headsortails wrote:

DevastaTTor wrote:

Rated X wrote:Seeing as how this set is not meant to enhance a Hasbro scout class set, I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why FP didn't just scale them with ALL OTHER Hasbro deluxe cars. As much as I like FP Bruticus, they need to let him go already and stop basing everything to scale with him. Large combiners like Hercules, Uranus, and Feral Rex are the future. They tower over deluxe figures with amazing cartoon accuracy instead of being slavish to the scale of outdated "enhancement" sets.

They're keeping them in scale with their other releases. Why is that so hard for people to accept? TFC is doing the same thing with their combiners, why does FP have to rescale their products to TFC standards?

If people don't like them, they can speak with their wallets and not buy them and wait to see if a bigger "Menasor" set gets released by a different 3P.

This is what they are people, take them or leave them. Can we move past the scale debate now?

Agreed. I like the scale. It goes well with the rest of my collection. Plus, if they went up to scale being the same as TFC's stuff, then we would be paying 100 bucks a pop. with the leaders being around 130. I don't have that kind of cash to spend.

You know what, though? I'll bet if FP did start making the scale larger on their stuff, then they would be bitching about the price when it jumped from 60 to around 110.....

They are not keeping it in scale with other releases. (I'm talking about original 3rd party combiners in general, not old FP add on kits for Hasbro stuff) I just cant put FP Bruticus and FP Superion in the same class with all the new stuff. Blah, blah, rant, rave

I actually agree with everything X is saying here

The upgraded stuff doesn't work with a CHUG set. As long as it includes Energon figures it's always going to look like the cheap set that the original sets were due to the tiny budget used to make them. CHUG has done a great job of fixing some of the scale issues from G1 (look at Powerglide, Seaspray and Warpath) and making undersized Gestalt teams does seem like they are taking a few steps backwards.

That said, the size difference with these cars is small enough that FP could get away with it here, will just depend on how MM stacks up. Thanks to Zodconvoy's pic I'm thinking about these guys seriously again

CHUG has done a great job of fixing some of the scale issues from G1 (look at Powerglide, Seaspray and Warpath)

Uhhhhh .... can't quite agree with your choices there. I'm on board for warpath's robot mode size, but it's not like his scale is really right. He's supposed to be a tank. And the official Seaspray and Powerglide are HUGE compared to other toys, especially in robot mode. And especially when compared to Starscream.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

CHUG has done a great job of fixing some of the scale issues from G1 (look at Powerglide, Seaspray and Warpath)

Uhhhhh .... can't quite agree with your choices there. I'm on board for warpath's robot mode size, but it's not like his scale is really right. He's supposed to be a tank. And the official Seaspray and Powerglide are HUGE compared to other toys, especially in robot mode. And especially when compared to Starscream.

Read what I said properly please;

Arctorro wrote:CHUG has done a great job of fixing some of the scale issues from G1 (look at Powerglide, Seaspray and Warpath)

I never said they got it right, just that it was better than G1

As for the seeker mold, that is one area they really screwed up, it should've been voyager size. SS and the others are undersized and can't really be used as a comparison. I'd be very tempted to replace those guys if someone did larger versions.

Arctorro wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

CHUG has done a great job of fixing some of the scale issues from G1 (look at Powerglide, Seaspray and Warpath)

Uhhhhh .... can't quite agree with your choices there. I'm on board for warpath's robot mode size, but it's not like his scale is really right. He's supposed to be a tank. And the official Seaspray and Powerglide are HUGE compared to other toys, especially in robot mode. And especially when compared to Starscream.

Read what I said properly please;

Arctorro wrote:CHUG has done a great job of fixing some of the scale issues from G1 (look at Powerglide, Seaspray and Warpath)

I never said they got it right, just that it was better than G1

As for the seeker mold, that is one area they really screwed up, it should've been voyager size. SS and the others are undersized and can't really be used as a comparison. I'd be very tempted to replace those guys if someone did larger versions.

So we go to painfully undersized to painfully oversized? I had Hasbro's Powerglide next to FP upgrades Superion and couldn't stand it to the point that i bought Xtransbot's version just to make things look right.

Undersized or not the Seeker mould is THE BEST representation of G1 Starscream and the others hands down. With it made Hasbro will not make another. Maybe a 3rd party will attempt it, but who can say? I'll agree it IS undersized, however undersized or not it's THE scale for TF jets because Starscream is THE TF jet. Especially for those of us who have over 10 .

Gauntlet101010 wrote:So we go to painfully undersized to painfully oversized? I had Hasbro's Powerglide next to FP upgrades Superion and couldn't stand it to the point that i bought Xtransbot's version just to make things look right.

Undersized or not the Seeker mould is THE BEST representation of G1 Starscream and the others hands down. With it made Hasbro will not make another. Maybe a 3rd party will attempt it, but who can say? I'll agree it IS undersized, however undersized or not it's THE scale for TF jets because Starscream is THE TF jet. Especially for those of us who have over 10 .

I do agree with a lot of what your saying here. Powerglide is a bit to large, but (for me at least) close enough to be okay, and I do like that he now looks down on the ground pounders instead of up at em.

The one part I disagree on is; "it's THE scale for TF jets". Just my opinion, but while it is a great mold I wish it was bigger and now see the Uranos jets as THE scale for TF jets

Sorry to further derail the thread

Arctorro wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:So we go to painfully undersized to painfully oversized? I had Hasbro's Powerglide next to FP upgrades Superion and couldn't stand it to the point that i bought Xtransbot's version just to make things look right.

Undersized or not the Seeker mould is THE BEST representation of G1 Starscream and the others hands down. With it made Hasbro will not make another. Maybe a 3rd party will attempt it, but who can say? I'll agree it IS undersized, however undersized or not it's THE scale for TF jets because Starscream is THE TF jet. Especially for those of us who have over 10 .

I do agree with a lot of what your saying here. Powerglide is a bit to large, but (for me at least) close enough to be okay, and I do like that he now looks down on the ground pounders instead of up at em.

The one part I disagree on is; "it's THE scale for TF jets". Just my opinion, but while it is a great mold I wish it was bigger and now see the Uranos jets as THE scale for TF jets

Sorry to further derail the thread

Uronos has nice jets, but none are name characters like Starscream is. Starscream will ALWAYS be THE size for TF jets. It's not about the quality of the mold it's about character choice, you see.

To bring it back to Menasor (and to put the thread back on the tracks) THE size for cars would be Classics Prowl or Jazz in vehicle mode. Because they're the prototypical Autobot cars (as Screamer is the prototypical Decepticon jet). FP really should have made their guys match Classics Prowl in vehicle mode. He's the smallest of the classics cars, isn't he?

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Uronos has nice jets, but none are name characters like Starscream is. Starscream will ALWAYS be THE size for TF jets. It's not about the quality of the mold it's about character choice, you see.

I'm loving this little side chat

I don't see particular "name" characters as the defining size for a particular type of alt mode. For me it is which toy works best, that's why that seeker mold isn't "the" size in my opinion. Also, size has nothing to do with quality. The Classics and TFC molds are both great quality, just different sizes.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:To bring it back to Menasor (and to put the thread back on the tracks) THE size for cars would be Classics Prowl or Jazz in vehicle mode. Because they're the prototypical Autobot cars (as Screamer is the prototypical Decepticon jet). FP really should have made their guys match Classics Prowl in vehicle mode. He's the smallest of the classics cars, isn't he?

Prowl and Jazz do set the best benchmark for car size, but can't remember if the Prowl mold is smallest in alt mode and not transforming them all right no to check

If FP had made these guys with that alt mode size in mind they would've fantastic!

Arctorro wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Uronos has nice jets, but none are name characters like Starscream is. Starscream will ALWAYS be THE size for TF jets. It's not about the quality of the mold it's about character choice, you see.

I'm loving this little side chat

I don't see particular "name" characters as the defining size for a particular type of alt mode. For me it is which toy works best, that's why that seeker mold isn't "the" size in my opinion. Also, size has nothing to do with quality. The Classics and TFC molds are both great quality, just different sizes.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:To bring it back to Menasor (and to put the thread back on the tracks) THE size for cars would be Classics Prowl or Jazz in vehicle mode. Because they're the prototypical Autobot cars (as Screamer is the prototypical Decepticon jet). FP really should have made their guys match Classics Prowl in vehicle mode. He's the smallest of the classics cars, isn't he?

Prowl and Jazz do set the best benchmark for car size, but can't remember if the Prowl mold is smallest in alt mode and not transforming them all right no to check

If FP had made these guys with that alt mode size in mind they would've fantastic!

Uronos has some great jets, but at $500 he's too pricey for me. Predaking and Herc are the only gestalts I care to have at that huge price ... erm, size. And that's another factor in favor of the deluxe SS mould. With the three main cast, the three coneheads, the Rainmakers, AND Sunstorm you're looking at $1000 for a delightfully complete set. Not including purple clone, G2 Ramjet, or Actionaster cracker colours. That's $100 bucks for toys I already have! Hell no!



That's a pic Zod put up last page. They are sooooooo almost there. It looks like Prowl's just a mite larger. Maybe I'm wrong, though, it IS very close.

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I want to compare it to DotM Barracade and RID Sideburn myself. Those are some tiny deluxe cars from two ends of the decade. Ironically they actually look quite nice together.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Uronos has some great jets, but at $500 he's too pricey for me. Predaking and Herc are the only gestalts I care to have at that huge price ... erm, size. And that's another factor in favor of the deluxe SS mould. With the three main cast, the three coneheads, the Rainmakers, AND Sunstorm you're looking at $1000 for a delightfully complete set. Not including purple clone, G2 Ramjet, or Actionaster cracker colours. That's $100 bucks for toys I already have! Hell no!

If your wanting all of those then you're right, hell no! But I'm only interested in the main 6, still expensive, but I can dream

Gauntlet101010 wrote:That's a pic Zod put up last page. They are sooooooo almost there. It looks like Prowl's just a mite larger. Maybe I'm wrong, though, it IS very close.

Edit:
I want to compare it to DotM Barracade and RID Sideburn myself. Those are some tiny deluxe cars from two ends of the decade. Ironically they actually look quite nice together.

That's the pic that has me giving these guys serious consideration again. RiD Sideburn is a good size, if these guys are similar then I might bite no matter what. I like the idea of a Menasor that is a little bit shorter that the other gestalts as I always felt that he was the runt of the litter.

Edit: The discussion we've been having Gauntlet101010 is actually getting me excited about these guys again

I'm glad to get you exicted. We SHOULD be PUMPED for a combining Mensor, dammit! Because, while Hasbro may give us all the Stunticons over time they will NEVER make a properly combining one!

I'm trying to force myself to think of the Stunticons as compact sports cars. A pic of the real cars next to an average car may shatter this fantasy, but that's just me.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'll agree with the larger point that they could have made these bigger. Even just to match small sized deluxe cars. And I'm not talking about large sized deluxes like Jazz! No, small deluxes would have been fine with me.

How does Wheeljack work for you? He's the smallest Deluxe Autobot I can think of.



Pretty damn close to me.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'm glad to get you exicted. We SHOULD be PUMPED for a combining Mensor, dammit! Because, while Hasbro may give us all the Stunticons over time they will NEVER make a properly combining one!

Exactly

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'm trying to force myself to think of the Stunticons as compact sports cars. A pic of the real cars next to an average car may shatter this fantasy, but that's just me.

Might work I'm a bit of a car nut, so I'll really have to try hard to ignore the real cars.

zodconvoy wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'll agree with the larger point that they could have made these bigger. Even just to match small sized deluxe cars. And I'm not talking about large sized deluxes like Jazz! No, small deluxes would have been fine with me.

How does Wheeljack work for you? He's the smallest Deluxe Autobot I can think of.


Pretty damn close to me.

He is one of the smallest in bot mode, but not alt mode. They don't look to bad though. Thanks for another great pic!