BeastProwl wrote:Well, originally, soundwave wasn going to be in the film.
Noideaforaname wrote:^Ravage himself also had Reedman and possibly Doctor Scalpel as minions.
While not totally the same, many Movieverse characters have the same role/characteristics as their G1 counterparts. There aren't quite as many wild deviations many other adaptations fall prey to (see: Mario Bros. movie).
Marcdachamp wrote:The films are a LOT more faithful than I think most fans would care to admit.
Prime: semi truck, mouthplate, red & blue, Autobot leader, voiced by Peter Cullen - as per G1
Bumblebee: yellow car, cute, Sam's "buddy" - as per G1
Jazz: small sports car, visor in robot mode, sounds "black" (not in a racist way) - as per G1
Ratchet: medic vehicle, medic character - as per G1
Ironhide: old, war torn & gruff in character - as per G1
Wheeljack: inventor character - as per G1
Megatron: silver & gray, Decepticon leader - as per G1
Shockwave: cyclops eye, head antenna, purple, large canon on arm - as per G1
Starscream: jet, underling to Megatron, weasley personality - as per G1
Soundwave: recon, spy, has Ravage & Laserbeak minions, voiced by Frank Welker - as per G1
Ravage: cat-like beast mode, minion of Soundwave - as per G1
Laserbeak: condor bird-like beast mode, minion of Soundwave - as per G1
Brawl: giant green tank - as per G1
Devastator: combiner made of Constructicons - as per G1
Long Haul: dump truck, Constructicon, colored bright green - as per G1
Sam: last name Witwicky, companion to Bumblebee - as per G1
Carly: blonde, girlfriend of Sam - as per G1
Plus...
- Cullen & Welker reprising the roles they originally did for G1
- G1 transformation sound heard throughout all three movies
- Matrix of Leadership existing and possessed by Prime - introduced via G1
- existence of the space bridge - introduced via G1
- Prime having a glowing orange axe and Megatron utilizing a mace - introduced via G1
- DOTM main plots being the exile of the Autobots and the transport of Cybertron to Earth, as per the G1 episodes "The Ultimate Doom" and "Megatron's Master Plan"
- Jazz's flip onto Brawl in TF1 was almost a frame for frame recreation of Kup flipping onto Blitzwing in the original G1 animated movie
- most of Prime's key one-liners such as "one shall stand, one shall", "Autobots, roll out", and "it's just you and me now, Megatron" lifted directly from G1
- Sam tells Mikeala she's "more than meets the eye" - G1's definitive tagline
- Ironhide's mention of "leaking lubrant" in direct reference one of his most famous G1 lines
- Autobot & Decepticon logos based off G1 versions - not G2, not Beast Wars
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Noideaforaname wrote:Marcdachamp wrote:The films are a LOT more faithful than I think most fans would care to admit.
To quote Incepticon from TFWPrime: semi truck, mouthplate, red & blue, Autobot leader, voiced by Peter Cullen - as per G1
Bumblebee: yellow car, cute, Sam's "buddy" - as per G1
Jazz: small sports car, visor in robot mode, sounds "black" (not in a racist way) - as per G1
Ratchet: medic vehicle, medic character - as per G1
Ironhide: old, war torn & gruff in character - as per G1
Wheeljack: inventor character - as per G1
Megatron: silver & gray, Decepticon leader - as per G1
Shockwave: cyclops eye, head antenna, purple, large canon on arm - as per G1
Starscream: jet, underling to Megatron, weasley personality - as per G1
Soundwave: recon, spy, has Ravage & Laserbeak minions, voiced by Frank Welker - as per G1
Ravage: cat-like beast mode, minion of Soundwave - as per G1
Laserbeak: condor bird-like beast mode, minion of Soundwave - as per G1
Brawl: giant green tank - as per G1
Devastator: combiner made of Constructicons - as per G1
Long Haul: dump truck, Constructicon, colored bright green - as per G1
Sam: last name Witwicky, companion to Bumblebee - as per G1
Carly: blonde, girlfriend of Sam - as per G1
Plus...
- Cullen & Welker reprising the roles they originally did for G1
- G1 transformation sound heard throughout all three movies
- Matrix of Leadership existing and possessed by Prime - introduced via G1
- existence of the space bridge - introduced via G1
- Prime having a glowing orange axe and Megatron utilizing a mace - introduced via G1
- DOTM main plots being the exile of the Autobots and the transport of Cybertron to Earth, as per the G1 episodes "The Ultimate Doom" and "Megatron's Master Plan"
- Jazz's flip onto Brawl in TF1 was almost a frame for frame recreation of Kup flipping onto Blitzwing in the original G1 animated movie
- most of Prime's key one-liners such as "one shall stand, one shall", "Autobots, roll out", and "it's just you and me now, Megatron" lifted directly from G1
- Sam tells Mikeala she's "more than meets the eye" - G1's definitive tagline
- Ironhide's mention of "leaking lubrant" in direct reference one of his most famous G1 lines
- Autobot & Decepticon logos based off G1 versions - not G2, not Beast Wars
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:these films didnt have characters by the name of Brawl or Wheeljack.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Gyrotron wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:these films didnt have characters by the name of Brawl or Wheeljack.
:^/
Que/Wheeljack
Brawl
So, how are they not in the movies???
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Named Que in the film
Named Devastator in the film
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Gyrotron wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Named Que in the film
Named Devastator in the film
gain. Que/Wheeljack
So this would be Devastator/Brawl
I suppose you should be more specific:
these films didnt have characters by the name of Brawl or Wheeljack
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:these films didnt have characters by the name of Brawl or Wheeljack.
Because in this continuity (as far as I know), they have them named Brawl and Wheeljack everywhere else (Games, Comics, Toyline)
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Lastjustice wrote:Sto, it's a technicality, and I'm a spirit of the law sort of guy so this doesn't fly with me.
It even sounds like it says brawl reporting when you hear the clip.
The movie's ignore this , and acknowledge Devastator to be the combined form of the Constructicons(whcih Megatron actually says the name not a text box that could easily be edited to anything at the last minute.),
retconning your point out of existence as Brawl is the name used in every other instance of the character outside of the movie.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Red 50 wrote:The way I see it:
The tank is Brawl, he was just called Devastator in movie 1 because Michael Bay thought it sounded cooler, but officially he is Brawl.
And Que probably shares the same fate: he's called Que because it sounds cooler, but OFFICIALLY he's Wheeljack.
That's the best I got, take it or leave it.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Hardly a technicality,Its just an other example of difference between different branch's of the franchise.
G1 originally had what?About 5 or 6 different branch's for their fictions continuity???
The movie franchise is the same.
The fact that the sequels ignore the issue is not the same thing as a retcon.They had their chance to retcon the problem with the DVD release.Reports are that Bay refused to fix the issue.
Your wrong about that as well.
He wasnt called Brawl in the Titan Magazines Transformers movie comics and was not Brawl in the novel of the first film.
■Working names for Brawl were Demolisher.[1] and "Devastator", the latter of which had also been a working name for Blackout at one point.[2] Even though Michael Bay confirmed in May of 2006 that "Devastator" was not the final name[3], screenwriters Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman confirmed the final name to be "Brawl" in April 2006[4], and Hasbro used that name for all their toys based on the movie character, he identifies himself as "Devastator" in a subtitle in the movie itself (even though the garbled audio used for his voice sounds an awful lot as if he says "Brawl, reporting"). According to a fan who attended the Australian press conference, Bay had confirmed that he had decided to use that name "Devastator" because he had preferred it[5], while Hasbro considered the name in the movie a "continuity error"[6], and Orci even claimed that he and Kurtzman had pointed out said "error" in the editing room twice.[7] Despite rumors to the contrary, he is not credited in the film under either name.
Lastjustice wrote:Again you're just nitpicking techinicalities which doesn't make you look smart...just makes you look petty. Would looking at the big picture of intent kill you? You seem incapable of that and get bogged down with minor details. It's tranformers not law; fandom doesn't need more red tape.
Hasbro considers it a continuity error..Guess what that means.
Henry921 wrote:You can always be counted on to listen to reason, Pryme.
Dead Metal wrote:Have you ever, and i mean ever seen/read/heard something that is completely original and does not copy/homage/pay tribute to something else? Here's a hint: Nope. You never have and you never will.
Lastjustice wrote:That's a poor arguement because then we start going well BoneCrusher's called Devastator too because they used that name in another country, despite being the same movie. That's how stupid going with techincalities gets. What was the intented name of the Character meant to be..Brawl. I see this as no different than an animation error in G1. (they regularly colored the other Seekers the wrong colors.) Just because Michael Bay was being hard ass about it doesn't change the intent. At the time they didn't know if they'd actually get a sequel, and Bay had little respect for the franchise at this point, and didn't see care what he named stuff.
Addressed above. Bay is charge of the editing, doesn't change the intent [by Hasbro]
He admitted he didn't care for franchise when he started this all in interviews, but loves it now.(Though I doubt he'd ever edit the text box for Brawl. I won't be surprised if some point down the road some special editions of the movie do fix it.)
He clearly wanted to use a combiner named Devastator based off of G1 being fromed by the constructions. So regardless of a throw away line that was ignored Devastator was intented be a combiner, and Brawl was intented to be a tank in the first time. (which is name used in the video game, as they say it.)
I mean so otherwise are you suggesting there's two Cons named Devastator?
and what's the point?
I say by them ignoring that throwaway, it's been retconned into it's intent(which brawl dead so his name being corrected doesn't get touched on.) I'd much rather view the Brawl mix up as an error and let Brawl be Brawl than insist on that. (I jokingly refer to him as Brawlvastator.)
I picked the word all instead of majority.(I was aware of that otherwise.) Again you're just nitpicking techinicalities which doesn't make you look smart...just makes you look petty. Would looking at the big picture of intent kill you? You seem incapable of that and get bogged down with minor details. It's tranformers not law; fandom doesn't need more red tape.
Hasbro considers it a continuity error..Guess what that means.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Gyrotron wrote:Lastjustice wrote:Again you're just nitpicking techinicalities which doesn't make you look smart...just makes you look petty. Would looking at the big picture of intent kill you? You seem incapable of that and get bogged down with minor details. It's tranformers not law; fandom doesn't need more red tape.
Hasbro considers it a continuity error..Guess what that means.
I wouldn't bother with him anymore. Let him believe what he wants. On a different note; we are going way off topic. The topic at hand is worn out anyway. -_-
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
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