Sowndwave76 wrote:I tend to agree with osupreme and anyone else who still sees the value of G1.
"Old fans", in my mind entails a couple things:
Nostalgia, which in and of itself can have a powerful pull, as well as the aspect of loyalty over a good portion of time.
Both are substantial in the realm of consumerism.
I'm not saying TF shouldn't or can't "move on" in some ways.
But from a profit-seeking company's point of view, abandoning G1 all-together is most likely a bit pernicious, and Hastak knows this. Which is also why I believe (although, yeah, I still want confirmation) the rumor that the new line will include a substantial portion of G1.
To say the OG's are holding TF back is pretty myopic, at least in terms of toys; G1 will be salient to this franchise for a long, long time.
It wasn't that long ago that I thought all young kids still play with toys, and action figures must be in that mix. But talking about changing with the times, a kid's proclivity for electronics, sports, and even musical endeavors being > toys at an even earlier age is already becoming aphorism.
This isn't to suggest that absolutely no kids play with action figure-type toys.
However, I believe the gap between kid and adult/collector consumer group sales percentages is smaller overall than we think. At least outside of the Cyberverse line.
Going back to my initial point, there were more kids than adults wanting the Target exclusive seeker 2-pack? More kids than adults were excited about Rodimus Prime? Or Cyclonus? Or SS86 Jazz? Or Mindwipe?
How many 10 year olds are thinking, "Bro, I hope I don't turn 12 before all 3 of the other leader class Dinobots are released!".
Then consider the Masterpiece line... A whole line obviously for adult collectors, with somewhere around 40+ of those figures being G1 characters.
Not only are the SG, Selects, Studio Series lines more for adults, they all are what they are because of the hegemony of G1 and the ardor of its "old fans".
I understand how and why collectors would be tired of it, but throwing it into the abyss is actually going to be inimical to how much TF are able to expand in the foreseeable future.
Gauntlet101010 wrote:A kid might want a toy based on G1 since a lot of media has been G1 focused.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:They also could have gone with a certainty like Ginrai/Powermaster Prime. They know a Prime would sell, whatever they charged.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:He-Man ran foul of clinging onto the old fanbase at the cost of new one. This is why MOTU went from one of the biggest brand names of it's day, to being referred to as "an 80's property", as a throwback term. It has never regained the prominence it had and likely never will.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:No one still pines for Batman to look like he did in the 40's, after all.
o.supreme wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:cutting off the head, as moving forward with the times. Beast Wars was effectively that take and it paid off.
Except it really didn't. For how brave and different it was, it had to solidify that it was in fact taking place in the same continuity as the original series to appeal to both old and new fans, that's when it really started to pay off, and why episodes such as the Agenda 3 part are the most popular.
Nuclearxpotato wrote:Kingdom added some MUCH MUCH needed variety and Hasbro has likely realised that (especially if the Legacy leaks are true).
Gauntlet101010 wrote:But, even while saying that, Hasbro's gone way too far with it. I definitely wouldn't mind them mining their character library.
Jelze Bunnycat wrote: instead new characters kept coming and going (which leads to one of the biggest overall character pools of any given IP
Eleven years ago, I made a thread on here asking people if they felt that if the color of a character was really that important, with the example I used being if we got a new series in where Optimus Prime looked like his traditional truck robot design but with one exception: He's green instead of red. And the majority of responses I got were all unanimous that, to them, yes, the color does matter. To them, if Optimus Prime were to be green by default, instead of it being just an alternate form of his while his default form is red, there needs to be a justification for it instead of him being green just because.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It wouldn't be a bold departure for them to do something different, either. Ultra Magnus' role in Animated, for example. If Prime was a red and blue tank, or Bumblebee was a yellow helicopter, would the sky really fall?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Ironically, there wasn't much of this complaining during the Unicron Trilogy. No "Why's Energon Ironhide blue instead of red?" or "Why's Armada Thrust gray instead of dark red?" It seems to have mainly been from the older fans of G1 who got out of Transformers circa late-G1/G2/Beast Wars and came back during the announcement of the 2007 movie, never complaining about the nameslaps of RiD'01 and the Unicron Trilogy since they weren't around for those.
Outside of Rescue Bots, that is, whose toyline let him be a freakin' Quinjet!AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Practically speaking, Primus forbid something called "Bumblebee" should transform into something that flies..
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Eleven years ago, I made a thread on here asking people if they felt that if the color of a character was really that important, with the example I used being if we got a new series in where Optimus Prime looked like his traditional truck robot design but with one exception: He's green instead of red. And the majority of responses I got were all unanimous that, to them, yes, the color does matter. To them, if Optimus Prime were to be green by default, instead of it being just an alternate form of his while his default form is red, there needs to be a justification for it instead of him being green just because.AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It wouldn't be a bold departure for them to do something different, either. Ultra Magnus' role in Animated, for example. If Prime was a red and blue tank, or Bumblebee was a yellow helicopter, would the sky really fall?
And that was just 2010, long before the whole evergreen deal. Even back in 2007 when the first movie came out, people complained that Bumblebee wasn't a VW, Optimus was too blue, Starscream was tan instead of gray and red, Ironhide was black instead of red, Ratchet green instead of white, Jazz silver instead of white and blue, etc. This mentality has been going on for at least 14 years.
Ironically, there wasn't much of this complaining during the Unicron Trilogy. No "Why's Energon Ironhide blue instead of red?" or "Why's Armada Thrust gray instead of dark red?" It seems to have mainly been from the older fans of G1 who got out of Transformers circa late-G1/G2/Beast Wars and came back during the announcement of the 2007 movie, never complaining about the nameslaps of RiD'01 and the Unicron Trilogy since they weren't around for those.
Overcracker wrote:More than the color I think is the actual reference if any it may be making. Things like Energon Ironhide and Armada Thrust were not referencing the G1 characters at all. They were their own unique character and as such could have any color scheme they wished. Same goes for Bulkhead for Animated Bulkhead (called Ironhide in Japan). They weren't referencing the G1 characters at all, so had no reason to be in the G1 characters colors.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Hot Shot was even named "Hot Rod" in Japan, hence why his Powerlinx redeco looks like this:Gauntlet101010 wrote:A lot is made about how different Armada was, but it brought back a lot of G1. From the reimagining of the plot to characters like Starscream and Hot Rod / Shot. I tend to see Armada as a step towards the G1 saturation we have now and not wholly new.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Armada Thrust didn't need to be a Decepticon jet with a conehead, and yet...
This redeco even sealed the deal.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm focusing more on how horrid that design is, than the colour palette.
Nuclearxpotato wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm focusing more on how horrid that design is, than the colour palette.
It's almost like HasTak has had twenty years of expanding their engineering since
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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