sol magnus wrote:Maybe they counted Japan preorders already? That's a big jump.
God Sunstreaker wrote:Thanks for this update. I'm really on the fence with this.
I have the Masterpiece Star Saber. And I have a "stand-in"/"third-party" "Victory Leo" (once I realized Takara wasn't going to make an official one I picked one up). With both figures I have the "V Lock Cannon", stands, and the Shield. And they're sized at a commander class scale which fits nicely with the CW Liokaiser and the other Combiner wars figures. The MP-Star Saber is scaled weird in that it fits better next to the generations line then the masterpiece line. Anyway, Now that the haslab Victory Saber is funded I have to decide if having a smaller and probably lesser quality version is worth the $180, and this is just to have the Haslab.
If this thing doesn't have all the tier accessories then it's going to be incomplete compared to what I already have. Spending $180 on an incomplete figure when I have very nice versions already is not logical. Even if it's fully funded it's smaller and it won't have the small sword for Saber.
I just wish that this was some generations pre-order. My guess is that Hasbro is testing the waters on Victory. They probably have concepts for the new Legacy line and are trying to decide if they want to produce Victory figures. The release of this figure could coincide with several other Victor figures and then this Victory Saber will be the centerpiece of the Legacy Line.
It's just frustrating in that Unicron was special: the largest Transformer ever, closest thing ever released to a proper Unicron was the Armada Unicron from 20 years ago. Comparing the Unicrons I could rationalize the high price and the crowd funding route. But it's difficult to rationalize this Haslab Victory Saber project when comparing it to the Masterpiece Star Saber the the "Victory Leo".
I also wish I had more than another few days to decide.
william-james88 wrote:God Sunstreaker wrote:Thanks for this update. I'm really on the fence with this.
I have the Masterpiece Star Saber. And I have a "stand-in"/"third-party" "Victory Leo" (once I realized Takara wasn't going to make an official one I picked one up). With both figures I have the "V Lock Cannon", stands, and the Shield. And they're sized at a commander class scale which fits nicely with the CW Liokaiser and the other Combiner wars figures. The MP-Star Saber is scaled weird in that it fits better next to the generations line then the masterpiece line. Anyway, Now that the haslab Victory Saber is funded I have to decide if having a smaller and probably lesser quality version is worth the $180, and this is just to have the Haslab.
If this thing doesn't have all the tier accessories then it's going to be incomplete compared to what I already have. Spending $180 on an incomplete figure when I have very nice versions already is not logical. Even if it's fully funded it's smaller and it won't have the small sword for Saber.
I just wish that this was some generations pre-order. My guess is that Hasbro is testing the waters on Victory. They probably have concepts for the new Legacy line and are trying to decide if they want to produce Victory figures. The release of this figure could coincide with several other Victor figures and then this Victory Saber will be the centerpiece of the Legacy Line.
It's just frustrating in that Unicron was special: the largest Transformer ever, closest thing ever released to a proper Unicron was the Armada Unicron from 20 years ago. Comparing the Unicrons I could rationalize the high price and the crowd funding route. But it's difficult to rationalize this Haslab Victory Saber project when comparing it to the Masterpiece Star Saber the the "Victory Leo".
I also wish I had more than another few days to decide.
Firstly, you are comparing a decision made only by Takara to a decision made by Hasbro, I wouldn't do that.
Secondky I don't think this toy is a lesser quality than the MP which had QA misteps itself. We don't know anything about how this one feels like of course, but not all MPs have aged well. MP Magnus, for instance, sucks major balls if judged by today's standards. The WFC Magnus toys are better in most ways.
In the end, unless 180$ is money you need to feed your family next month, just order this one. You'll be able to sell it for more than you paid if ever you don't like it once you've played with it.
God Sunstreaker wrote: With the Haslab there's nothing that stands out as great other than the fact that this was designed to be combined.
william-james88 wrote:God Sunstreaker wrote: With the Haslab there's nothing that stands out as great other than the fact that this was designed to be combined.
It's 100% true, but also the entire reason for existence of this figure. The first time we have this since G1. So it's a pretty big stand out. Just for fun, to me it's kinda like not being sure about getting kingdom Primal when one already has the non transforming RED Primal. There's nothing that stands out as great other than the fact that Kingdom Primal was designed to transform (But yes, I get it, it's not a great equivalent since you're MP Sabre can combine with your 3p Leo)
I would still get this one just in case. 180$ is less than the 350$ or more it might cost you years from now if you get second doubts.
Rodimus Knight wrote:Maybe I'm a little pessimistic here but I wonder what they are going to change to make it cheaper to produce like they did with Unicron.
william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Knight wrote:Maybe I'm a little pessimistic here but I wonder what they are going to change to make it cheaper to produce like they did with Unicron.
People are already complaining that this doesn't look MP level so there's that.
sol magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Knight wrote:Maybe I'm a little pessimistic here but I wonder what they are going to change to make it cheaper to produce like they did with Unicron.
People are already complaining that this doesn't look MP level so there's that.
They're complaining, but it's not a valid complaint. They said it's a Generations scale figure. That's pretty much the end of that for expectations.
Rodimus Knight wrote:sol magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Knight wrote:Maybe I'm a little pessimistic here but I wonder what they are going to change to make it cheaper to produce like they did with Unicron.
People are already complaining that this doesn't look MP level so there's that.
They're complaining, but it's not a valid complaint. They said it's a Generations scale figure. That's pretty much the end of that for expectations.
Personally, I don't really expect it to be MP quality since it's not an MP. I can see why people would make the comparisons though since so many of these "early" toy reviewers keep on complaining the standard TFs to the MPs.
I just don't like the bait and switch game Hasbro did previously with Unicron.
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Rodimus Knight wrote:sol magnus wrote:william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Knight wrote:Maybe I'm a little pessimistic here but I wonder what they are going to change to make it cheaper to produce like they did with Unicron.
People are already complaining that this doesn't look MP level so there's that.
They're complaining, but it's not a valid complaint. They said it's a Generations scale figure. That's pretty much the end of that for expectations.
Personally, I don't really expect it to be MP quality since it's not an MP. I can see why people would make the comparisons though since so many of these "early" toy reviewers keep on complaining the standard TFs to the MPs.
I just don't like the bait and switch game Hasbro did previously with Unicron.
I would say expect something to change no matter what and be pleasantly surprised if it doesn't. The thing with any Haslab campaign is that due to the model, we are seeing and making a purchasing decision based on the early prototypes typically made of resin before they make the production molds. What they show at the time of the funding decision is their best guess at how things should be able to look if everything goes according to plan with making the molds and production.
With Unicron, I'm thinking it was the sheer size and number of parts and number of molds to make a single figure that their best guesses were exactly that, guesses. I don't think the brand team has even designed and made something that large/complex in a single shot before. I really don't think it was a matter of them saying, "now that we sucked them in, where can we cut corners" but rather more likely "oh crap, we didn't realize that we can't have more than x different sprues of color y and have to move this from here to here" or something similar. Unicron was bigger than anything they tried before, so a few hiccups didn't surprise me.
The good news is that Victory Saber is well within the design teams wheelhouse in terms of size and complexity, so I would expect fewer changes here post funding than for Unicron.
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