The Energon Pub

If at all possible activate/create "The Pit" If I remember right. You could dump a bunch of random characters in. Main reason was for team against team! If it was set up where at least 6 HMW members could dump in 3 team characters from any faction for a massive match to the death! Or at least have the match time out so no one will come out making a rediculous amount of xp in one shot! Faction mixed battles is something that has to be looked into. Not saying that missions have to change the way they work though.

I do second having the option to see your alt modes before you choose sides. A lot of the beasty/squishy alts. are just to cute for the most part. Thats one of the reasons I stick to Gewunn!

spectral_dragon wrote:I mean, who would play as Waspinator, when you could play as Trypticon?

I rezzent that.


Anyway, it's a shame we don't have more players overall, as the logical thing to do in that case would be to go WWi: Darkages style and divide the Autobots and Decepticons up further, because part of the problem, I think, is that "Autobot" and "Decepticon" have been the factions for all but two series. Given one of those was the best series, but hey, there's no accounting for taste. I think you guys are overestimating the impact of Geewunners on the Autobot/Decepticon factions - I imagine the A/E/C series has nearly as much of an impact, and maybe even the movie. Edit: Ah, Red beat me to it.

But it's m00t, because we really don't have a high enough membership to do that, and even if we did, everyone would say 'if four factions are bad, six will just be worse!'

pRedimus wrote:See Im not entirely sure where thise Mechanical factions = Geewun thing came from.

It's not like nearly all the serieses of transformers werent bot v con...

There's only BW, BM and bits of RiD which arnt Bot v Con.

Anyway, you could veyr much argue that myself and JP are Geewuners, and we keep coming back to the preds!

As am I. I dust off my old autobot insignia every once in while. I think most of us who went Maximal or Pred are very much G1ers.

Caelus wrote:Anyway, it's a shame we don't have more players overall, as the logical thing to do in that case would be to go WWi: Darkages style and divide the Autobots and Decepticons up further, because part of the problem, I think, is that "Autobot" and "Decepticon" have been the factions for all but two series. Given one of those was the best series, but hey, there's no accounting for taste. I think you guys are overestimating the impact of Geewunners on the Autobot/Decepticon factions - I imagine the A/E/C series has nearly as much of an impact, and maybe even the movie. Edit: Ah, Red beat me to it.

But it's m00t, because we really don't have a high enough membership to do that, and even if we did, everyone would say 'if four factions are bad, six will just be worse!'

You're right six factions would be worse. Could be fun though if membership were to go up.

However if we went that way we could potentially either auto assign folks based on who's weakest, or take away the ability to choose a specific side, rather have them choose a general side and put them into whichever faction had the least amount of members.

Another thought would be to make most of the missions alliance missions, like what we had against the Quints. Only make them Auto/Maxi/? Vs Decep/Pred/?.

Sorry for the Question marks, I'm not really familiar with the newer comics. I blame the lack of a local comic shop.

i blame Hasbro/Takara.. if not for their stupid idea of Beast Wars, we wouldn't have this issue at all.

neliz wrote:i blame Hasbro/Takara.. if not for their stupid idea of Beast Wars, we wouldn't have this issue at all.

You mean their lack of foresight in not producing Beast Wars first, right?

As a series, BW>G1.

Yah. I can't watch the G1 cartoons, in spite of the fact that's the series I grew up with, while I watch Beast Wars all the time.

Beast Wars is good, but it is not better than G1 cartoon, I'd consider them even at best. It could need the episode and character number of G1, but it is fantastic in it's own style, especially the post-transwarp episodes.

neliz wrote:i blame Hasbro/Takara.. if not for their stupid idea of Beast Wars, we wouldn't have this issue at all.

Beast Wars>G1

I'm new here and to the HMW game.

So far I'm having fun playing.

Original Sin wrote:

neliz wrote:i blame Hasbro/Takara.. if not for their stupid idea of Beast Wars, we wouldn't have this issue at all.

Beast Wars>G1

this is true. they toys where better, the cartoon was better. but they just don't have the iconic status. and haven't been reinforced for the last decade.

it would be interesting to see how many beast players are beast playes becuase they want to be, or becuase they want to balance the game.

i think if we ever decide to have beasts again it would be a good idea to just make it semi symbolic, maybe alt modes and and faction symbol, and see how many takers we get before initialis additional independant factions...

logic and google do not agree.

the toys were better? G1 had toys made of die-cast, plastic and rubber wheels. BW had plastic fur.. PLASTIC.. it's on the scale of plastic rock-formers.

neliz wrote:logic and google do not agree.

the toys were better? G1 had toys made of die-cast, plastic and rubber wheels. BW had plastic fur.. PLASTIC.. it's on the scale of plastic rock-formers.

I completely agree. The G1 toy's were by far, BY FAR, the better product.

InsecticonSlave wrote:

neliz wrote:logic and google do not agree.

the toys were better? G1 had toys made of die-cast, plastic and rubber wheels. BW had plastic fur.. PLASTIC.. it's on the scale of plastic rock-formers.

I completely agree. The G1 toy's were by far, BY FAR, the better product.

G1 had the diversity that is missing from all other lines. There were not just animals, there were trucks, tape decks, guns, dinosaurs, cities, and the widest selection of jets and cars ever produced.

Beast Wars was awesome on animal alts, yes, but got to a point where almost everything in that line was made, some even got to a silly level (bunnies, tanukis, giraffes).

InsecticonSlave wrote:

neliz wrote:logic and google do not agree.

the toys were better? G1 had toys made of die-cast, plastic and rubber wheels. BW had plastic fur.. PLASTIC.. it's on the scale of plastic rock-formers.

I completely agree. The G1 toy's were by far, BY FAR, the better product.

Agreed as well.

Modern Soundwave and Megatron figures are NOTHING compared to the solid feel of the 80's toys. The innovation required to hand design and craft them (as early as the late 70's in Diaclone Megatron's case), compared to the computer designed flexi-toys we have now, blows the current plastic crap away.

And the BW cartoon may be great, but I always prefer the bad animation and constant hilarious errors that is the G1 series.

G1 toys also broke far more easily, and only looked really good in one mode, vehicle, looked absolutely nothing like the cartoon version is most cases... oh, and they didn't pose. They basically stood there, a lot of them with arms that connected at the elbow. That's -way- more superior.

If you're a fan of bricks with little or no articulation, sure the G1 toys are better. I'm not saying the G1 toys aren't cool, I've got my share of nostalgia for them (and a few of them left over from my childhood that I'm fond of - all my Beast Wars toys are bought as an adult collector). But putting the nostalgia aside, the Beast Wars toys are better.

Beast Wars took an important first step towards how the modern toys are designed, with the ball joints.

Same with the cartoon. The Beast Wars had astounding storytelling with great animation and semi-mature themes. G1 had "The Girl Who Loved Powerglide." Case closed.

Absolute Zero wrote:G1 toys also broke far more easily, and only looked really good in one mode, vehicle, looked absolutely nothing like the cartoon version is most cases... oh, and they didn't pose. They basically stood there, a lot of them with arms that connected at the elbow. That's -way- more superior.

One word.

Soundwave.

Absolute Zero wrote:G1 toys also broke far more easily, and only looked really good in one mode, vehicle, looked absolutely nothing like the cartoon version is most cases... oh, and they didn't pose. They basically stood there, a lot of them with arms that connected at the elbow. That's -way- more superior.

Broke far easier?? There has never been another line toys like the G1 figures. You could've chucked Prime at your buddy's head, concussed him, and still had Prime in prestine shape.

My first Soundwave took an absolute beating and is still kicking around today (with a tape deck door that still functions). Broke far easier...whatever.

The BW era toys were superior in posability but i still prefer the G1 era toys. As previously mentioned, the amount of diversity in types of alt mode (cars, jets, guns etc), the more mechanical nature of the bot modes vs the organic ones of bw (even with some of the more dubious ones such as Ironhide/Ratchet) and in the case of the earlier waves -

Optimus Primal wrote:Diecast construction - its a lost art

all put G1 toys ahead for me before you include the nostalgia factor.

With the cartoon though its hard to put G1 before BW. The tightknit cast alone pushed it ahead.

Have him. And while he's cool, he's not the greatest toy I've ever owned. Two words for ya back. Megatron. Galvatron.

Someone else said there was a lot of variety in the Gen 1 lines, more then any other... I disagree. There was more figures in Gen 1, but what? One 3rd of the toys were repaints? And the Gen 1 line also covers more then 3 seasons.

InsecticonSlave wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:G1 toys also broke far more easily, and only looked really good in one mode, vehicle, looked absolutely nothing like the cartoon version is most cases... oh, and they didn't pose. They basically stood there, a lot of them with arms that connected at the elbow. That's -way- more superior.

Broke far easier?? There has never been another line toys like the G1 figures. You could've chucked Prime at your buddy's head, concussed him, and still had Prime in prestine shape.

My first Soundwave took an absolute beating and is still kicking around today (with a tape deck door that still functions). Broke far easier...whatever.

My mom broke Prime and Outback. My friend broke Trypticon, and I broke Skylynx. All four lost legs, except tripticon who's thing that connected his leg to his arm snapped. That's just things dealing with the legs.

In comparison, my clutz girlfriend hasn't broken a single transformer, not even a missle. She's lost stuff, but since Prime's hands were long gone before my mom snapped his legs off.

InsecticonSlave wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:G1 toys also broke far more easily, and only looked really good in one mode, vehicle, looked absolutely nothing like the cartoon version is most cases... oh, and they didn't pose. They basically stood there, a lot of them with arms that connected at the elbow. That's -way- more superior.

Broke far easier?? There has never been another line toys like the G1 figures. You could've chucked Prime at your buddy's head, concussed him, and still had Prime in prestine shape.

My first Soundwave took an absolute beating and is still kicking around today (with a tape deck door that still functions). Broke far easier...whatever.

Are you kidding? If you chucked (or even dropped) Prime at least one of his legs would have snapped off. The plastic connecting his diecast body and diecast lower legs wasn't that sturdy. Soundwave was fairly sturdy but you couldn't say that for most of the Autobot cars, the Frenzy/Rumble tapes, the Seeker jets, etc.

Psychout wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:G1 toys also broke far more easily, and only looked really good in one mode, vehicle, looked absolutely nothing like the cartoon version is most cases... oh, and they didn't pose. They basically stood there, a lot of them with arms that connected at the elbow. That's -way- more superior.

One word.

Soundwave.

I have Soundwave and feel comfortable saying that all of those faults apply to him, albeit less than they do to the other G1 figures. Compared to modern figures, his range of motion is still pathetic, and in robot mode it looks like his cartoon counterpart got caught in a hydraulic press. He's like the Flat Stanley of Transformers. I love him, really, but it's for the nostalgia, not the engineering.

Also:

Diecast = Bad - No stress tolerance. Amazing how fragile metal really is. Plus they rusted.

Rubber Wheels = Very Bad - They dried up, cracked, and tore.

Sure G1 toys felt great when they were new, but after two years of actually being handled, they'd be junk.

And also, animals are way cooler than cars and tanks, especially from a storytelling perspective, since things with faces can actually emote without resorting to Disney-style antics. Plus, animals tear eachother apart, instead of just running into eachother or shooting generic beams of light at eachother. The second episode of Beast Wars where Megatron actually bites a chunk out of Primal's leg - ****ing awesome.

Edit: And then there's also the fact that the designers were too lazy to actually work all the TF's parts into the design. Where do Soundwave's missiles go when he transforms? Starscream's fists? Most of the toys' weapons? Prime was ahead of most because he actually had a compartment to store his fists in, but that wasn't likely to help.

As far as Prime's durability, that might work if you rolled Powermaster Prime's cab section into 'ball form' and dropped it on your friends head while he was laying on a mattress. And your friend's head was very soft. The original Prime had weakass joints.

Not to kill a conversation, since I'm happy to see people in the forum talking, but how does the Gen1 toy/cartoon vs everything else help figure out what people want to see in the Beast Factions of HMW?