The Energon Pub

Maybe this debate can be split into it's own thread?

Caelus wrote:The second episode of Beast Wars where Megatron actually bites a chunk out of Primal's leg - ****ing awesome.

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

Absolute Zero wrote:Not to kill a conversation, since I'm happy to see people in the forum talking, but how does the Gen1 toy/cartoon vs everything else help figure out what people want to see in the Beast Factions of HMW?

While it does appear to be taking the thread off topic, it may highlight the reasons why some players will prefer the G1 factions to either of the BW ones

Absolute Zero wrote:Not to kill a conversation, since I'm happy to see people in the forum talking, but how does the Gen1 toy/cartoon vs everything else help figure out what people want to see in the Beast Factions of HMW?

Some people want the Maximals and Predacons gone, some don't so the issue is whether they're worth having around, and a key point in that argument is whether G1 (because apparently that's the only Bot vs Con series that matters) was better than BW.

Of course, it's moot anyway because realistically the BW factions aren't going anywhere now that they actually have alts and a join-screen.

Absolute Zero wrote:Not to kill a conversation, since I'm happy to see people in the forum talking, but how does the Gen1 toy/cartoon vs everything else help figure out what people want to see in the Beast Factions of HMW?

i'll start a poll then..

Dark Perceptor wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:Not to kill a conversation, since I'm happy to see people in the forum talking, but how does the Gen1 toy/cartoon vs everything else help figure out what people want to see in the Beast Factions of HMW?

While it does appear to be taking the thread off topic, it may highlight the reasons why some players will prefer the G1 factions to either of the BW ones

Already know why. Human nature. We remember things from our childhood being better then they really were. "I grew up on Gen 1, Gen 1 superior to everything else, because they're all different from Gen 1." It's why Season 3 gets a lot of bad flack. Completely different from the first two seasons.

Caelus wrote:
And also, animals are way cooler than cars and tanks, especially from a storytelling perspective, since things with faces can actually emote without resorting to Disney-style antics. Plus, animals tear eachother apart, instead of just running into eachother or shooting generic beams of light at eachother. The second episode of Beast Wars where Megatron actually bites a chunk out of Primal's leg - ****ing awesome.

i disagree, some of the best bits of G1 are when you get that dead look in TF's eyes and you realise that they're not human, when they're just basically people who turn into things it kinda loses it for me.

but then i like the whole "what's human" debate you know what's the difference between a man and a machine? bioroids, cyborgs, and robots, oh my!

if i look at the new movie i see the TFs in it bascially as people, they are very human, and that doesn't really do it for me (yeah all the actions cool; but they're not exactly alien) whereas i look a t a film like T2 and it's obvious that the terminator isn't human and that gap between him the humans, only serves to highlight the differences between the two, but in the TF film, they're just taller humans.

that sorta explains why i like wheeljack, he had paractically no face, no expressions, and seemed rather less human.


and even if they're not going anywhere, the game needs fixing so that I'm not stuck with 6 empty maximal missions or the arena, and rat convoy's not stuck with six full con missions or the arena, cos i'm damn sure we're not the only two players saying, "for ****'s sake, not bloody again"

You're not Tammuz, you're not.

Absolute Zero wrote:You're not Tammuz, you're not.

I've got a petition going in the Maximal forum, signed by 10 Maximal players (whom I suspect are most of the forum-going Maximals that are currently playing) asking for our missions versus the G1 factions to be reduced to 4v4 and taking away the G1 factions' ability to generate missions against us. So it's not just you, I and AZ, Tammuz.

Rat Convoy wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:You're not Tammuz, you're not.

I've got a petition going in the Maximal forum, signed by 10 Maximal players (whom I suspect are most of the forum-going Maximals that are currently playing) asking for our missions versus the G1 factions to be reduced to 4v4 and taking away the G1 factions' ability to generate missions against us. So it's not just you, I and AZ, Tammuz.

Id sign that as well, but i am seeing more and more Maxi missions with a decent level of opposition.

Sadly, its fighting the Predacons thats pointless at the moment.

Psychout wrote:

Rat Convoy wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:You're not Tammuz, you're not.

I've got a petition going in the Maximal forum, signed by 10 Maximal players (whom I suspect are most of the forum-going Maximals that are currently playing) asking for our missions versus the G1 factions to be reduced to 4v4 and taking away the G1 factions' ability to generate missions against us. So it's not just you, I and AZ, Tammuz.

Id sign that as well, but i am seeing more and more Maxi missions with a decent level of opposition.

Sadly, its fighting the Predacons thats pointless at the moment.

We could use 10-15 new commanders. 20-25 would be great, but 10-15 I think would give us a marked improvement in missions.

Psychout wrote:

Rat Convoy wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:You're not Tammuz, you're not.

I've got a petition going in the Maximal forum, signed by 10 Maximal players (whom I suspect are most of the forum-going Maximals that are currently playing) asking for our missions versus the G1 factions to be reduced to 4v4 and taking away the G1 factions' ability to generate missions against us. So it's not just you, I and AZ, Tammuz.

Id sign that as well, but i am seeing more and more Maxi missions with a decent level of opposition.

Sadly, its fighting the Predacons thats pointless at the moment.

Funny i look at the missions screen and think oh joy another 6 suicide missions coming up

Phaze wrote:

Funny i look at the missions screen and think oh joy another 6 suicide missions coming up [/quote]

Bastard.

I hate you.

Tammuz wrote:

Phaze wrote:
Funny i look at the missions screen and think oh joy another 6 suicide missions coming up

Bastard.

I hate you.

Ah well i'll add ya to the long list

Tammuz wrote:Bastard

I hate you.

that's the BEST sentence before make-up sex!

Psychout wrote:Sadly, its fighting the Predacons thats pointless at the moment.

You know that even if they had the numbers it'd be pointless because they'd be that pathetic. Crushing them would be doing them a favour.

WHich is why the last 6 missions my tfs entered were all Predacon victories...

Tammuz wrote:i disagree, some of the best bits of G1 are when you get that dead look in TF's eyes and you realise that they're not human, when they're just basically people who turn into things it kinda loses it for me.

We are total opposites, aren't we?

I much prefer my Transformers to be more human - it makes them more compelling, understandable, and less two dimensional. Also less realistic perhaps, but hey, suspension of disbelief.

Wonder what the philosophical split in the fandom would be on that...

pRedimus wrote:WHich is why the last 6 missions my tfs entered were all Predacon victories...

Da, overall I'm leaking Energon like a Sharkticon with a bad infection, but I'm still doing a hell of a lot of damage even when I lose, and I'm winning pretty frequently.

Wazzpinator pwnzz primitive Autobotzz!

Are you on MSN? Becuase we've done some orginising on MSN, and it's realyl helped our results. Admitedly, certain times of day (like right now) orginisation isnt so important, but it has made a difference.

Caelus wrote:

Tammuz wrote:i disagree, some of the best bits of G1 are when you get that dead look in TF's eyes and you realise that they're not human, when they're just basically people who turn into things it kinda loses it for me.

We are total opposites, aren't we?

I much prefer my Transformers to be more human - it makes them more compelling, understandable, and less two dimensional. Also less realistic perhaps, but hey, suspension of disbelief.

Wonder what the philosophical split in the fandom would be on that...

prolly in your favour, the vast majority of TFs are played as humans rather than a contrast to humans, even shockwave, so it's only reasonable that those who aren't big fans of TFs as humans aren't big fans of TFs either.

as to being opposites, i think we're both quite good at lulling people into a false sense of security.

pRedimus wrote:WHich is why the last 6 missions my tfs entered were all Predacon victories...

Wow. 6. Big achievement for you huh? You're gonna be a big bot soon at that rate!

Burn wrote:

Psychout wrote:Sadly, its fighting the Predacons thats pointless at the moment.

You know that even if they had the numbers it'd be pointless because they'd be that pathetic. Crushing them would be doing them a favour.

Burn wrote:

pRedimus wrote:WHich is why the last 6 missions my tfs entered were all Predacon victories...

Wow. 6. Big achievement for you huh? You're gonna be a big bot soon at that rate!

lolwut ?

Burn wrote:

pRedimus wrote:WHich is why the last 6 missions my tfs entered were all Predacon victories...

Wow. 6. Big achievement for you huh? You're gonna be a big bot soon at that rate!

They grow up so fast

pRedimus wrote:Are you on MSN? Becuase we've done some orginising on MSN, and it's realyl helped our results. Admitedly, certain times of day (like right now) orginisation isnt so important, but it has made a difference.

I don't play that consistently. I just work a lot on the computer doing literature reviews etc., and chuck bots into missions whenever I can't stand to read another sentence or I'm swinging by the computer between two other tasks. If I played seriously hardcore, I'd never get anything done, and my academic life would come to a swift and disgraceful end.

Burn wrote:

pRedimus wrote:WHich is why the last 6 missions my tfs entered were all Predacon victories...

Wow. 6. Big achievement for you huh? You're gonna be a big bot soon at that rate!

Seeing as at the time, they were the only missions I had gotten a result for this evening, it was hard to go off any other missions...

And concidering the numbers we have, 6 consecutive victories *is* a big achivment for the preds.