The Energon Pub

'I like killing Autobots' is my reason to play.

If the crappy weapons are broken down to make good weapons, it just means that everyone will be waving BB and Dols around in a matter of minutes. Ive taken part in the research project Tammuz mentioned above and there is no competition - certainly none below level 3 - in regards to these two weapons.

This then leads to everyone taking the same setup, same stats, same altmodes and then we all run around like clones.

You have a good idea. I do like it. But you are looking too centrally. What needs to happen is a wider scope of 'realistic' weapons need to be created, or the existing weapons need to be nerf'ed and/or blalanced.
I have less sets of Dols and BB's than you do, so dont think im talking as a hoarder, and the games programmer has a life, a wife and a young'un to think about before us whinging bastards so hassling people isnt going to help either.

Yelling at Tammuz will only get you shot down in flames aswell, he is the core person that actually gave up his free time to work out ways to balance them along with Disillusioned, Triggerhappy, Symbiote Spiderman and many others.


OH, and...

ShockwaveUK wrote:No Hoarder, if you were to sell your hoard it would no longer be a hoard. You have currently not sold your hoard which means it is still considered a hoard and therefore makes you a HOARDER.

+1

By the way, as soon as this alt hunt is over, I'm going to level up 6 my lvl 0s to lvl 1, and sell all their XRays. Then my stash will be just 12 weapons - one for each of my bots. Would you call it a hoard, then?
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From the sound of this you currently have 18 X-ray lasers . One for each of your bots,and 6 x-tra.Why?
You can't use them all. SELL THEM.

I can understand having two or even three of each weapon, but when you get to the point that pretty much every member of your team has one weapon then you are a horder, especially if said weapon is completely sold out.

Right now I probably have a 50 weapon stockpile, but its usually just one or two of each weapon, and I try not to hord weapons that are low stock that I'm not using.

I wouldn't mind getting a set of battle blades for my top bot (since I normally raise his level before he is ready to dominate) but I'm not going to lose sleep over not having them either.

I would love to have something that allowed for more variety with the weapons, basically the naming system with them being tied to the stats in some fashion.

This way you'd have more weapons in the game and everyone wouldn't be running around with the same weapon.

DISCHARGE wrote:From the sound of this you currently have 18 X-ray lasers . One for each of your bots,and 6 x-tra.Why?
You can't use them all. SELL THEM.

Of course not!!!

There's TOTAL 18 weapons: 6 in my stock (Dols), 6 BBs my Lvl 2s equipped with, 6 X-Rays my lvl 0s equipped with, and that's all I've got!!!

Am I still considered a hoarder???

And if these weapons of mine are of the highest quality, or rather plain unbalanced (as I feel too) - does it mean that I have to give them over to be used against me? No. Rather I wish, and express my wish in rather unpleasant manner sometimes (sorry for that, by the way) that EVERYBODY could have the same if they want.

And I wasn't about to insult anyone, especially Tammuz, whose dedication to the game is perfectly known to me (and is rather bigger than mine... much, much bigger, to say the truth).

What am I talking about (and was) is that there is an UNFAIR IMBALANCE in the game because of the "first come, first served" system of weapon trade, when the number of top-grade weapons is limited. And I'm for FAIR game, and I believe that most of the players here are.

"That's all, gentlemen".

Elcor wrote:Am I still considered a hoarder???

You have more weapons than you can possibly use, of course you are.

Elcor wrote:

DISCHARGE wrote:From the sound of this you currently have 18 X-ray lasers . One for each of your bots,and 6 x-tra.Why?
You can't use them all. SELL THEM.

Of course not!!!

There's TOTAL 18 weapons: 6 in my stock (Dols), 6 BBs my Lvl 2s equipped with, 6 X-Rays my lvl 0s equipped with, and that's all I've got!!!

Am I still considered a hoarder???

Yes your a lvl 0-1 player judging by your previous post but if they are that low then you aren't going to get the benifits from the bb's because quite simply your mechs are too weak to make decent use out of them there by preventing someone who can use them from getting the benifit. yes they might be powerful but they can't perform miracles for the beginner levels.

Phaze wrote:

Elcor wrote:

DISCHARGE wrote:From the sound of this you currently have 18 X-ray lasers . One for each of your bots,and 6 x-tra.Why?
You can't use them all. SELL THEM.

Of course not!!!

There's TOTAL 18 weapons: 6 in my stock (Dols), 6 BBs my Lvl 2s equipped with, 6 X-Rays my lvl 0s equipped with, and that's all I've got!!!

Am I still considered a hoarder???

Yes your a lvl 0-1 player judging by your previous post but if they are that low then you aren't going to get the benifits from the bb's because quite simply your mechs are too weak to make decent use out of them there by preventing someone who can use them from getting the benifit. yes they might be powerful but they can't perform miracles for the beginner levels.

Look above. I've got 6 lvl 2 bots. And they're not the worst performers in their level.
Other 6 of my bots are lvl 0 who are about to be upgraded to lvl 1s.

And if...

shockwaveuk wrote:You have more weapons than you can possibly use, of course you are a hoarder

then how do you call him?

Silverbolt wrote:Right now I probably have a 50 weapon stockpile

???

Ah, cut it out. I still didn't heard a word from somebody who wants the game to be fair for everybody. Pity.

No, you havent heard from anyone who agrees with your opinion on making the game fair.

Maybe that says something about what you are saying?

So hoarding he best weapons is fair play?
I also never said you were the ony one tha does it.

Psychout wrote:No, you havent heard from anyone who agrees with your opinion on making the game fair.

Maybe that says something about what you are saying?

Well, that's true too.

Well, then - I'd like to hear from those who consider the present weapons trade system (imbalanced as it is) FAIR. And, if you please - explain me WHY, for I still can't get it.

If not - shouldn't it be corrected, then? I don't care how (really i don't!!!), I just want it to be made fair ASAP. Not in coming V2, but really soon.

shockwaveuk wrote:So hoarding he best weapons is fair play?

When everybody does have access to the best weapons, the weapon hoarding itself is made senceless. I consider this fair. Do you?

Everybody doesn't have access to the best weapons though.
I just checked the definition of a hoard: a supply or fund
stored up and often hidden away. Merriam-Webster
You sir, sound like you have a hoarder.
As hence you have extra weapons stored up for future use, whenever that may be, and they are hidden in your cache unable to be used by other players.
I like having an advantage as much as you, don't get me wrong.
I also don't buy up every sort of powerful weapon just to have my guys properly stocked when they level up. If I did I would have bought all those PPF on sale a day ago. There is a sense of social fairness that you don't seem to comprehend.

I am sitting on 5 Dols, Ill trade them for BBs

Elcor wrote:If not - shouldn't it be corrected, then? I don't care how (really i don't!!!), I just want it to be made fair ASAP. Not in coming V2, but really soon.

You will generally get 2 answers from the masses here:

1) We all want it to be fair, but only 1 man can actually make it fair and he has many other commitments that come before this.

2) Suck it up, there is a war on. Why should a Decepticon want to hand an Autobot a better gun only to get shot with it?

Mostly, everyone else just says 'bollocks to it!' and uses Strength until they level up and make contacts to buy them off or find one by looking, kinda like you did.

I dont want to turn this into an argument thread as Supercollider was onto a good thing with this amnesty idea. Lets let people do their own little bit by selling the weapons they dont need/cant use so those that do need/can use can benefit eh? For my part ive just ditched an X-ray i'd forgotten i had, its not much but, and im sure you will agree, it all helps.

DISCHARGE wrote:Everybody doesn't have access to the best weapons though.
I just checked the definition of a hoard: a supply or fund
stored up and often hidden away. Merriam-Webster
You sir, sound like you have a hoarder.
As hence you have extra weapons stored up for future use, whenever that may be, and they are hidden in your cache unable to be used by other players.
I like having an advantage as much as you, don't get me wrong.
I also don't buy up every sort of powerful weapon just to have my guys properly stocked when they level up. If I did I would have bought all those PPF on sale a day ago. There is a sense of social fairness that you don't seem to comprehend.

What kind of **** up fantasy land do you live in?

You must grasp the day... only reason i have my dols, its b/c i used them on my bots while i waited to afford BBs and get exp for the FP, stop whining... my BEST bot had NEVER used a weapon. experimenting is 100% of the fun of this game...

Wha wha wha, I cant have the weapons i think are good... but you know what, its like the alt modes... older players had access to older alt modes, and in some peoples eyes these alt moves where better or what ever... not our fault you didnt play HMW before.... penalizing or chastising older players is BS...

I don't feel like I am whinning. I have the weapons I want, I am sticking up for the new players getting wasted, not having a good time because people are sitting on even X-ray lasers. Keep your Dols and BB because they're really no use until you get to lvl 1 anyway. By that time they will have figured out other ways to deal damage and get XP.

Psychout wrote:

Elcor wrote:If not - shouldn't it be corrected, then? I don't care how (really i don't!!!), I just want it to be made fair ASAP. Not in coming V2, but really soon.

You will generally get 2 answers from the masses here:

1) We all want it to be fair, but only 1 man can actually make it fair and he has many other commitments that come before this.

2) Suck it up, there is a war on. Why should a Decepticon want to hand an Autobot a better gun only to get shot with it?

Mostly, everyone else just says 'bollocks to it!' and uses Strength until they level up and make contacts to buy them off or find one by looking, kinda like you did.

I dont want to turn this into an argument thread as Supercollider was onto a good thing with this amnesty idea. Lets let people do their own little bit by selling the weapons they dont need/cant use so those that do need/can use can benefit eh? For my part ive just ditched an X-ray i'd forgotten i had, its not much but, and im sure you will agree, it all helps.

OK. First thing I do tomorrow, after the hunt is over, will be selling 6 X-Rays. I won't need them anymore... And it all helps too.

And I really feel sorry for turning this tread into a meaningless argument (it wasn't meaningless to me, though!).

See, I'm an Autobot by my nature, and when I see a thing that is unfair it makes me strive to correct it (forgive me for speaking so greatly, but if you doesn't fight the evil, then you help this evil). And it sure pains me that not everybody feel this way.

Hope we'll get a V2 soon where the weapon imbalance issues will be forgotten.

Until next time, then!..

DISCHARGE wrote:I don't feel like I am whinning. I have the weapons I want, I am sticking up for the new players getting wasted, not having a good time because people are sitting on even X-ray lasers. Keep your Dols and BB because they're really no use until you get to lvl 1 anyway. By that time they will have figured out other ways to deal damage and get XP.

We have missons that when won give our side armor, there was talk about missions that would also give us weapons. I know Hoistimus was good enough to write some up. How about if you write some more up so Glyph as some to choose from when he finds the time to set up the weapons missions? 1. it would give you something to do other than complain, 2. It might incourgage others to also get crative.

Now I am not trying to bust you for it, but its been talked about for a bit, with the forum delete it probably got lost somewhere.

We have missons that when won give our side armor, there was talk about missions that would also give us weapons. I know Hoistimus was good enough to write some up. How about if you write some more up so Glyph as some to choose from when he finds the time to set up the weapons missions? 1. it would give you something to do other than complain, 2. It might incourgage others to also get crative.
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Handing out weapons after winning a battle is a great idea as it would imply that some of your foes had dropped weapons. That already happens in most rpgs. But I do so love to complain.
(That last part is sarcasm, if you didn't catch it.)

The solution is balancing the weapons. If a few of the weapons weren't "broken" there wouldn't be nearly as much of a supply issue, and maybe we'd see a bit more diversity in character builds.

But unless one of you here has enough money to hire Glyph away from his day-job, you can't expect anything to get done "ASAP". This isn't a pay-site, it's a fan's hobby. It's an old hackneyed argument, but it is also true. You haven't invested anything more than time in the game, and less than many of us at that, so if you really can't deal with the inequity, go play a professionally designed, balanced, and built game in your spare time.

I still think you're being paranoid. The older players you've been bashing on and accusing of conspiracy really don't worry enough about the lower levels to deviously horde weapons.

But then, every tide of new players that comes in brings their own set of demands and complaints, which usually die down once they level up a couple of times. And so far, the latest group is by far more reasonable than certain past generations.

By the way, anyone else remember when the Retractable Mecha Fangs, Semi-Automatic Rifles, Black Magic, and Disruptor Rifles were the weapons to have?

Caelus wrote:The solution is balancing the weapons. If a few of the weapons weren't "broken" there wouldn't be nearly as much of a supply issue, and maybe we'd see a bit more diversity in character builds.

True.

Caelus wrote:But unless one of you here has enough money to hire Glyph away from his day-job, you can't expect anything to get done "ASAP". This isn't a pay-site, it's a fan's hobby. It's an old hackneyed argument, but it is also true.

And that's why I've made an argument about the fast and temporary solution in the first place. Because I thought it'll take less Glyph's precious time to implement my idea than to balance all the weapons like they should be.

And I've recognised perfectly well that the solution would be fast and temporary. What surprised me was that this solution was, as it happened, unwanted by the majority of the players (there were NO positive answers at all, and that tells a lot).

Caelus wrote:I still think you're being paranoid. The older players you've been bashing on and accusing of conspiracy really don't worry enough about the lower levels to deviously horde weapons.

But then, every tide of new players that comes in brings their own set of demands and complaints, which usually die down once they level up a couple of times. And so far, the latest group is by far more reasonable than certain past generations.

Shame on me, but I've argued fiercely about this matter before (in the last two arguments before the forum was deleted, IIRC). But my position hadn't changed since then.

Pity it's mine alone...

BTW, now I'm trying to write down a few weapon-aquire missions. And, as it happens, it's rather harder than it seemed in the first place
See, I'm trying to be positive and creative

Caelus wrote:By the way, anyone else remember when the Retractable Mecha Fangs, Semi-Automatic Rifles, Black Magic, and Disruptor Rifles were the weapons to have?

Yes. I remember when I had Disruptor rifles and SARs on a lot of my guys.

Tammuz- Thanks for clearing that up. Last I remembered, X-ray lasers were practically useless, seems things have changed.

For the record, I only have a single set of Battle blades that I equip on my top strafer every once in a while. When I found out that there was a weapons "shortage" I sold everything else (Sadly, I oversold and accidentaly got rid of one of guy's Dol, oh well... )

Elcor wrote:

Caelus wrote:But unless one of you here has enough money to hire Glyph away from his day-job, you can't expect anything to get done "ASAP". This isn't a pay-site, it's a fan's hobby. It's an old hackneyed argument, but it is also true.

And that's why I've made an argument about the fast and temporary solution in the first place. Because I thought it'll take less Glyph's precious time to implement my idea than to balance all the weapons like they should be.

Ah, okay. See, your heart's in the right place, but the thing is, after a while playing here, you'll realize how much of Glyph's time gets eaten up by fast and temporary solutions.

Those of us who've been here a long time have watched Glyph and Seibertron regularly take three steps forward and two steps back on the game. A quick patch doesn't last long, and frequently causes lots of unforeseen problems. That and it usually turns out that what looks like an easily implemented change turns out to be excruciatingly complicated.

So, ultimately, I'd rather see Glyph spend more time on a permanent solution that could be months away, rather than fiddle with a temporary fix for three months, before finally getting back to working on the permanent solution.

But then again, I've also seen the game crash for six months or so at a time (it seemed like half a year anyway), so I'd be grateful to have it even if it had more flaws.

Additionally , I really want that weapons-balancing badly, because I'm really tired of using Battleblades and Dols. :blech:

as far as i'm aware the weapons aren't going to be balanced until the stats are balanced and Glyph has his Holistic system in place, and as he's pretty much the only bugger who can do it, it'll probably take a while.

given the damage figures i could balance the weapons with a bit of help from the rest of the R&D team, but it wouldn't mean jack until the stats where balanced...

as for my stash, i've got 3 xrays that have Psychout's name on them, 3 DBPSSs becuase they should run out soon and i know i'll get some low levelers wanting them(in lieu of Dols), and a pair of energon crossbows, becuase they are the next best thing to the blades, those are my bets on what weapons should run out next if the masses have any sense.

i dearly would like to have balanced weapons, when i started out almost 4 years back i promised myself i'd stick to melee weapons, as that was the character i wanted for my team, i hate that, having all melee weapons is pretty much the option of choice and it's destroyed my teams chartacterisation.

Hi my name is Bun-Bun and I'm a weapons hoarder.

But IMHO I earned it. There Isn't a weapon that I own that I haven't tried out myself and frankly most of the weapons I own nobody would want.

True BB, DOLs and X-Rays are the current A-List weapons but as Tammuz has said there are alternatives, you just have to do your homework to find what weapon will work for you.

I'm against the 'Elcor Idea'. Yeah I understand where you're coming from, but like someone else said it'll just lead to a buncha clones running around, and we have too much of that already.

The 'swuk idea' on the other hand.
I'm liking what I'm hearing.

Psychout wrote:Yelling at Tammuz will only get you shot down in flames aswell, he is the core person that actually gave up his free time to work out ways to balance them along with Disillusioned, Triggerhappy, Symbiote Spiderman and many others.

When I went by Disillusioned people insisted on still calling me Bun-Bun, now that I'm back to Bun-Bun it's switched around again.
Just can't win for losin'