by Dinobot4ever » Tue Jun 28, 2011 4:52 pm
MINDVVIPE wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I'm incredibly disappointed. I'm going to go see it, but my expectations have been lowered.
This.
I picked at your review to avoid reading spoilers, and every start of a paragraph or line I read made me feel so nauseus from the fact that the TFs I love are going to take another round of downgrading...
by Autobot032 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:17 pm
Seibertron wrote:Autobot032 wrote:Hey, Seibs? I have a question.
My Dad and I are going to the film tomorrow during a matinee, and I noticed you mentioned the vaporization of humans and it being graphic.
I need to know, is it excessively bloody or gory? Is there any gore in the film, or it a flash of light and you see a skull roll across the floor?
The reason I ask is, neither of us is great with gore, though most doesn't bother me unless it's really over the top, but my Dad has been through a lot, and he's incredibly squeamish.
Is this something that'll make him faint? (he's not good with the sight of blood much past like a stain on a shirt, and definitely not on the big screen.)
Or is it watchable without worry? I tried searching the thread, and I ain't readin' through 13 pages lol....
Thank you in advance.
No it's not bloody or gory. It's very "poof" human exploded into dust with no blood or guts. Might make you roll your eyes, but it shouldn't be that bad. I'm not a fan of gore either so I'd tell you if it was gory or something inappropriate.
Dinobot4ever wrote:MINDVVIPE wrote:Autobot032 wrote:I'm incredibly disappointed. I'm going to go see it, but my expectations have been lowered.
This.
I picked at your review to avoid reading spoilers, and every start of a paragraph or line I read made me feel so nauseus from the fact that the TFs I love are going to take another round of downgrading...
You both have expressed my sentiments perfectly ...
by RodimalToyota » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:18 pm
vectorsigma757 wrote: But if you read the bios for this incarnation of Starscream it notes many times that he believes both Optimus and Megatron have lost their way in this war.
by Gemini220 » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:18 pm
by Mach » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:38 pm
by Takanuva » Tue Jun 28, 2011 5:59 pm
by Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:18 pm
Mindmaster wrote:
Similar to the X-Men: The Last Stand "poof" or its own unique "poof"?
by TheMuffin » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:18 pm
Takanuva wrote:I swear when I see this tommorow every time they say "Dino" or "Que", I'm gonna be a dick and yell "MIRAGE!" or "WHEELJACK!".
Somethin' like this:
Nest Dude: "Dino-
Me: "MIRAGE"
Nest Dude: "-take out that Decepticon!"
Optimus: "Give me a weapon, Que!"
Me: "WHEELJACK"
by Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:20 pm
Bleak5170 wrote:Starscream GaGa wrote:S
-Notable deaths are Megatron, Sentinel Prime, Soundwave, Barricade, Laserbeak, Shockwave, Ironhide and Que.
Ummmmm....aren't you forgetting one pretty important one, (especially considering your nickname, lol)?
by Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:44 pm
TheMuffin wrote:Takanuva wrote:I swear when I see this tommorow every time they say "Dino" or "Que", I'm gonna be a dick and yell "MIRAGE!" or "WHEELJACK!".
Somethin' like this:
Nest Dude: "Dino-
Me: "MIRAGE"
Nest Dude: "-take out that Decepticon!"
Optimus: "Give me a weapon, Que!"
Me: "WHEELJACK"
I would lol so much if someone did that.
by partholon » Tue Jun 28, 2011 6:54 pm
by Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:01 pm
partholon wrote:just wanted to chuck in a "thanks" for the review.
im off to see it at the flicks tomorrow and dont think the review ruined it at all.
sad to see we dont actually get to see cybertron in orbit. i was hoping for a repeat from ironhide of his line from ultimate dooom and besides i really wanted to see how it bloody looked before the series ended.
i agree now that the world can accept this universe we should be able to move onto a TF film where the star is optimus, and not shia.
fingers crosssed we get a christopher nolan that makes bay look like burton.
by Chaoslock » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:02 pm
partholon wrote:sad to see we dont actually get to see cybertron in orbit. i was hoping for a repeat from ironhide of his line from ultimate dooom and besides i really wanted to see how it bloody looked before the series ended.
Psychout wrote:Never, ever take the internet seriously, especially not when its on a website dedicated to giant cartoon robots from outer space.
by padfoo » Tue Jun 28, 2011 7:33 pm
by BATTOUSAIXD » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:18 pm
Tekka wrote:Starscream GaGa wrote:Sentinel is about to kill Optimus, but is shot in the chest by Megatron, who then tears into him, ripping off his helmet and pulling his chest to pieces. Sentienl fall to the ground and Megatron turn's to Optimus saying:
"We need a truce. All that I ask is that I keep my command. Besides, what would you be without me?" Optimus says "I'm about to find out." and proceeds to tear off Megatron's head ebfore he has a chance to react. Optmius really comes across as the bad guy.
What...
by mongrel » Tue Jun 28, 2011 8:56 pm
by Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:05 pm
BATTOUSAI XD wrote:Tekka wrote:Starscream GaGa wrote:Sentinel is about to kill Optimus, but is shot in the chest by Megatron, who then tears into him, ripping off his helmet and pulling his chest to pieces. Sentienl fall to the ground and Megatron turn's to Optimus saying:
"We need a truce. All that I ask is that I keep my command. Besides, what would you be without me?" Optimus says "I'm about to find out." and proceeds to tear off Megatron's head ebfore he has a chance to react. Optmius really comes across as the bad guy.
What...
I'm a big fan of the movies, I thought the first one was great and the second one was good but had plenty of problems. But this is complete ****... I understand why Optimus is so violent; it is a war and it's not a kids cartoon, but why does he have the power to kill everything? He's getting the beatdown and gets saved by Megatron, then tears Megs' head off? This is Megatron! In the first movie it took Prime, a squadron of jets, and SHIA to bring him down; now all Prime has to do is reach up and rip off his head for his collection of assorted body parts. I rarely ever complain about this stuff, but this is just stupid. Optimus has become a super-powered killing machine from ROTF on. There is nothing wrong with having a tough leader who can take down his enemies quickly, but this is not something Optimus Prime would do. Megatron would , but Prime is supposed to be better than that. I know Megatron is a threat, but he could have at least challenged him to a fair fight or imprisoned him. I read the summary of the novel and really liked the ending with Megatron helping Prime kill Sentinel and leaving for Cybertron. That would have set up a good sequel, IMO, involving Galvatron and/or Unicron, but now there are NO MORE Decepticons, Prime killed them all(Bumblebee helped a little). I just don't see any place for a continuation of the story, which I really wanted (might have changed my mind now that I found out about Megatron). I'm still definitely going to see this and I'll probably enjoy it, but those last few minutes when Megatron dies may ruin it, I don't know. My problem is that Decepticons seem to just be cannon fodder and thats it. That's OK if they are some random alien invader like in Battle: LA or whatever else, but my favorite character is a Decepticon, as are many other peoples, and when they get some crappy death, it just leaves a sour taste in your mouth.
by BATTOUSAIXD » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:17 pm
Starscream GaGa wrote:BATTOUSAI XD wrote:Tekka wrote:Starscream GaGa wrote:Sentinel is about to kill Optimus, but is shot in the chest by Megatron, who then tears into him, ripping off his helmet and pulling his chest to pieces. Sentienl fall to the ground and Megatron turn's to Optimus saying:
"We need a truce. All that I ask is that I keep my command. Besides, what would you be without me?" Optimus says "I'm about to find out." and proceeds to tear off Megatron's head ebfore he has a chance to react. Optmius really comes across as the bad guy.
What...
I'm a big fan of the movies, I thought the first one was great and the second one was good but had plenty of problems. But this is complete ****... I understand why Optimus is so violent; it is a war and it's not a kids cartoon, but why does he have the power to kill everything? He's getting the beatdown and gets saved by Megatron, then tears Megs' head off? This is Megatron! In the first movie it took Prime, a squadron of jets, and SHIA to bring him down; now all Prime has to do is reach up and rip off his head for his collection of assorted body parts. I rarely ever complain about this stuff, but this is just stupid. Optimus has become a super-powered killing machine from ROTF on. There is nothing wrong with having a tough leader who can take down his enemies quickly, but this is not something Optimus Prime would do. Megatron would , but Prime is supposed to be better than that. I know Megatron is a threat, but he could have at least challenged him to a fair fight or imprisoned him. I read the summary of the novel and really liked the ending with Megatron helping Prime kill Sentinel and leaving for Cybertron. That would have set up a good sequel, IMO, involving Galvatron and/or Unicron, but now there are NO MORE Decepticons, Prime killed them all(Bumblebee helped a little). I just don't see any place for a continuation of the story, which I really wanted (might have changed my mind now that I found out about Megatron). I'm still definitely going to see this and I'll probably enjoy it, but those last few minutes when Megatron dies may ruin it, I don't know. My problem is that Decepticons seem to just be cannon fodder and thats it. That's OK if they are some random alien invader like in Battle: LA or whatever else, but my favorite character is a Decepticon, as are many other peoples, and when they get some crappy death, it just leaves a sour taste in your mouth.
Ok, that's a little harsh. the movie is actually good (best in the trilogy) and you shouldn't hate on it just because of the deaths. The notable death count goes:
Optimus:
Megatron
Shockwave
Sentinel Prime
Bumblebee:
Soundwave
Laserbeak
Sam:
Starscream
Dino:
Hatchet
Ironhide:
Crankcase
Crowbar
Humans:
Barricade
Sentinel Prime:
Ironhide
Soundwave:
Que
As you can see, its definitely not all Optimus.
by Cheesinator » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:23 pm
BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm a big fan of the movies, I thought the first one was great and the second one was good but had plenty of problems. But this is complete ****... I understand why Optimus is so violent; it is a war and it's not a kids cartoon, but why does he have the power to kill everything? He's getting the beatdown and gets saved by Megatron, then tears Megs' head off? This is Megatron! In the first movie it took Prime, a squadron of jets, and SHIA to bring him down; now all Prime has to do is reach up and rip off his head for his collection of assorted body parts. I rarely ever complain about this stuff, but this is just stupid. Optimus has become a super-powered killing machine from ROTF on. There is nothing wrong with having a tough leader who can take down his enemies quickly, but this is not something Optimus Prime would do. Megatron would , but Prime is supposed to be better than that. I know Megatron is a threat, but he could have at least challenged him to a fair fight or imprisoned him. I read the summary of the novel and really liked the ending with Megatron helping Prime kill Sentinel and leaving for Cybertron. That would have set up a good sequel, IMO, involving Galvatron and/or Unicron, but now there are NO MORE Decepticons, Prime killed them all(Bumblebee helped a little). I just don't see any place for a continuation of the story, which I really wanted (might have changed my mind now that I found out about Megatron). I'm still definitely going to see this and I'll probably enjoy it, but those last few minutes when Megatron dies may ruin it, I don't know. My problem is that Decepticons seem to just be cannon fodder and thats it. That's OK if they are some random alien invader like in Battle: LA or whatever else, but my favorite character is a Decepticon, as are many other peoples, and when they get some crappy death, it just leaves a sour taste in your mouth.
by Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:40 pm
by BATTOUSAIXD » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:44 pm
Cheesinator wrote:*SPOILERS* (If people are still reading this thread and not expecting spoilers)BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'm a big fan of the movies, I thought the first one was great and the second one was good but had plenty of problems. But this is complete ****... I understand why Optimus is so violent; it is a war and it's not a kids cartoon, but why does he have the power to kill everything? He's getting the beatdown and gets saved by Megatron, then tears Megs' head off? This is Megatron! In the first movie it took Prime, a squadron of jets, and SHIA to bring him down; now all Prime has to do is reach up and rip off his head for his collection of assorted body parts. I rarely ever complain about this stuff, but this is just stupid. Optimus has become a super-powered killing machine from ROTF on. There is nothing wrong with having a tough leader who can take down his enemies quickly, but this is not something Optimus Prime would do. Megatron would , but Prime is supposed to be better than that. I know Megatron is a threat, but he could have at least challenged him to a fair fight or imprisoned him. I read the summary of the novel and really liked the ending with Megatron helping Prime kill Sentinel and leaving for Cybertron. That would have set up a good sequel, IMO, involving Galvatron and/or Unicron, but now there are NO MORE Decepticons, Prime killed them all(Bumblebee helped a little). I just don't see any place for a continuation of the story, which I really wanted (might have changed my mind now that I found out about Megatron). I'm still definitely going to see this and I'll probably enjoy it, but those last few minutes when Megatron dies may ruin it, I don't know. My problem is that Decepticons seem to just be cannon fodder and thats it. That's OK if they are some random alien invader like in Battle: LA or whatever else, but my favorite character is a Decepticon, as are many other peoples, and when they get some crappy death, it just leaves a sour taste in your mouth.
Keep in mind that, at this point, Optimus only has one arm and is badly damaged. Megatron is fully armed and unscathed. Yet, he just stands there as Prime rushes him and kills him. He genuinely seemed as shocked as the audience that he offered peace, and Prime's reaction was to lodge an axe into his skull. What makes the whole thing worse is that you realise Prime only flips out after Megatron says he wants peace, but all he asks is to "be in charge". It's as if the idea of peace is acceptable to Optimus, but only if HE is in charge. There's also a scene of Megatron just sitting against a building, staring up at the materializing Cybertron and expressing sincere joy that it has "finally" been saved, shortly before all this...which does NOTHING to put the audience on Optimus' side when he goes all Conan-the-Barbarian on Megs.
And the execution of Sentinel afterwards is in a similar vein. Sentinel is on his knees and defeated, and despite his desperate pleas, Optimus shoots him to death (whereas Sentinel had earlier spared Prime when he had him at his mercy).
I LOVED the movie, but those last 4 minutes were really terrible. The movie itself ends seconds after Sentinel's death, and reeeaally abruptly. Also, I may be mistaken, but there are several shots where Megatron's body is in the foreground, but the same shots are seen in the trailer and his body isn't there (you can't tell it's him, so it's not like it was removed for spoiler purposes). Makes me think that it was originally meant to end like it did in the novel?
by Starscream GaGa » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:50 pm
BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'll probably end up liking ( or even loving) the movie as a whole, like most other people, it just really irritates me that Megatron is made so weak, especially when the first movie really established him as being so strong. Also brutality shouldn't be a main character trait of Optimus Prime. I have no problem with him killing, but executions and unwarrented attacks don't seem like him. Both characters seem as though they have changed so drastically since the first movie. And I wish the movie ended with peace between the two as well; that's what I was expecting when I read this review first and it really caught me off guard.
by BATTOUSAIXD » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:54 pm
Starscream GaGa wrote:BATTOUSAI XD wrote:I'll probably end up liking ( or even loving) the movie as a whole, like most other people, it just really irritates me that Megatron is made so weak, especially when the first movie really established him as being so strong. Also brutality shouldn't be a main character trait of Optimus Prime. I have no problem with him killing, but executions and unwarrented attacks don't seem like him. Both characters seem as though they have changed so drastically since the first movie. And I wish the movie ended with peace between the two as well; that's what I was expecting when I read this review first and it really caught me off guard.
Megatron doesn't come across as weak, he ROFL-Stomps Sentinel Prime. When Optimus attacks him he's completely off-guard, as Cheeseniator said, he seems just as shocked as the audience.
by Cheesinator » Tue Jun 28, 2011 9:55 pm
by BATTOUSAIXD » Tue Jun 28, 2011 10:00 pm
Cheesinator wrote:I would have loved to have seen the end portrayed in novel. Megatron would have had some actual character development (thus making him markedly better than every other Transformer in the movie franchise), and Prime would finally have actually displayed some of the kindness/mercy/dislike of violence/goodness that he used to be known for. In the novel, he says "I'm not like you, Megatron" and lets him live to return to Cybertron and rebuild. In the movie, he pretty much shows that he is actually kinda worse than Megatron by murdering him in cold blood when his guard's down.
That said, Megatron dying would have been completely acceptable too (hell, he's responsible for many human deaths, and I'm pretty sure he was trying to enslave some elephants earlier). But, if that's the route the film-makers wanted, they shouldn't have had him a) have a scene that makes it clear his main goal is restore his race/Cybertron b) save Optimus and c) offer a truce. He should have been like he was in the first movie; psychotically violent and trying to kill Optimus all the time.
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