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IDW Release - Worlds Collide in Star Trek vs. Transformers Comic Book Crossover

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:50 pm

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With the reveal of the Star Trek vs. Transformers 4 part miniseries coming from IDW, and the new Solications seen yesterday, IDW has released a new statement regarding the upcoming crossover, Written by John Barber and Mike Johnson with Philip Murphy leading the art team. The series is set to crossover the 1970's Star Trek cartoon with the 1980's Transformers cartoon, where the 5 year mission meets the 4 million year old war.

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Worlds Collide in Star TrekTM vs. Transformers Comic Book Crossover

The Five-Year Mission Collides with Autobot and Decepticon Warfare!


SAN DIEGO, CA (June 21, 2018) – The starship Enterprise finds there's more to the final frontier when Kirk and his crew come face-to-face with the strangest life forms of all: the shape-changing robots of Cybertron! Prepare to beam up and roll out this September with Star Trek vs. Transformers, a four-issue comic book crossover that is more than meets the eye and is inspired by the continuities of two iconic cartoon shows: Star Trek: The Animated Series (1973) and The Transformers (1984).

Two of the most prolific Transformers and Star Trek comic book writers -- John Barber and Mike Johnson -- team with artist Philip Murphy and colorist Leonardo Ito to tell the story that fans have demanded for decades. At the edge of Klingon space, the Enterprise​ answers a distress call, discovering a dilithium mine under siege by jets and helicopters of vintage 20th Century design. When a red, flat-nosed truck rolls in to save the day, the no-holds barred Saturday morning mash-up truly begins!

Co-writer Mike Johnson, whose vast Star Trek comic book credits include the acclaimed Countdown and Star Trek / Green Lantern storylines, says, “This is a crossover several decades in the making, and we could not be more thrilled to bring it to fans! John and I are having a blast writing the first meeting of Starfleet and Cybertronians, and Phil is the perfect artist to bring these two franchises together on the page.”

“The funny thing is, even though I'm the Transformers guy on this comic (I've written a lot of Transformers comics, after all), I've always been a huge Star Trek fan, ever since I was a kid,” says John Barber, co-writer and IDW’s newly-minted Editor-in-Chief. “When I was in fifth grade, I remember my teacher joking at the end of the year that maybe someday I'd wind up writing Star Trek… and it's a thrill to finally get to!”

Philip Murphy, whose IDW credits include The Powerpuff Girls and Star Wars Adventures, says, “This is definitely a dream-come-true project for me. It’s my first time getting to draw Transformers and Star Trek. Not only am I a huge Trek fan, but I was born in the '80s so I grew up in the golden era of Saturday morning cartoons – and The Transformers was definitely on the top of my list! This comic really means something special to me.”

Chase Marotz, associate editor, says, “Star Trek vs. Transformers is finally giving us the chance to combine two of our most prominent licenses in a style that will delight both fans of the original animated series and new readers. David Mariotte and I are having a great time editing it and we can’t wait until the fans get to see it for themselves.”

For information on how to secure copies of the monthly Star Trek vs. Transformers comic book series, please contact your local comic shop or visit http://www.comicshoplocator.com to find a store near you. Also, the collected Star Trek vs. Transformers trade paperback is now available for pre-order via online booksellers and comic book specialty retailers.


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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby Stormshot_Prime » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:26 pm

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Excited as hell for this, but why the hell is Windblade here? For a conic going for original cartoon continuity accuracy, this sort of stands out.
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Postby DeathReviews » Thu Jun 21, 2018 6:53 pm

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Nice cover. Because, ya know, Windblade was all over the 1980s G1 cartoon show....
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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby Burn » Thu Jun 21, 2018 7:45 pm

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inspired by the continuities of two iconic cartoon shows: Star Trek: The Animated Series (1973) and The Transformers (1984)

Operative guys, "inspired".

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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby Silverwing » Thu Jun 21, 2018 10:17 pm

DeathReviews wrote:Nice cover. Because, ya know, Windblade was all over the 1980s G1 cartoon show....


I know, right? She was in that one episode where Thunderhoof and his minicons found the cyber keys and attacked the Lost Light. Oh, and blue Bluestreak showed up too, how could I forget!
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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby Coptur » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:35 am

yeah no idea why Windblade has to appear either (although i have my thoughts on it.. :-? )

there are other autobot fliers (previously listed) that could've been given some more 'screen time' shame.
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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:47 am

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Guys, the G1 cartoon took place in the 20th and 21st Centuries. This will take place in the 23rd century, two whole centuries later. Why would it not make sense for someone newer to G1 like Windblade to appear in the cartoon's world some 200 years after its original time?

Besides, it's not like this kind of late-addition insertion hasn't happened many times over. Most recently, remember this?

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Even disregarding the non-show characters from the 80s toyline and comics, there's still Road Rage, Crosscut, Tigertrack, Stripes, Megaplex, Garboil, Howlback, Glit, Optimus Maximus (Convoy Grand Prime), and Megatron Black Ver. That's ten newer G1 characters (or new forms for preexisting ones) created years after the G1 era ended being inserted into the G1 cartoon's world long after the fact. Just like Windblade here. Only difference this time is that she isn't being put into the carton's original timeframe, but long after it.
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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:28 am

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Someone here already pointed out that windblades character lends herself to storys where diplomacy may play a part. Also at this point all we know is, she's on a cover. One cover.
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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby Carnivius_Prime » Fri Jun 22, 2018 10:13 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Guys, the G1 cartoon took place in the 20th and 21st Centuries. This will take place in the 23rd century, two whole centuries later. Why would it not make sense for someone newer to G1 like Windblade to appear in the cartoon's world some 200 years after its original time?

Besides, it's not like this kind of late-addition insertion hasn't happened many times over. Most recently, remember this?



Well, the comic seems like it's going for a huge nerdy childhood nostalgia thing, or why else it would be crossing over with the Animated Star Trek series which is about as obscure as any official Star Trek screen canon can be, and not something either more well known (like the original 60's live action show or TNG/DS9/Voyager) or current (Discovery/rebootyfilms). And featuring a character that clearly didn't even exist in that targeted childhood area of 70's and 80's that every other character comes from kinda knocks things out a bit (I'm sorta reminded of the ending of Christopher Reeve time travel film Somewhere in Time if anybody else has seen that. I won't spoil. :P )

Those japanese comics are different because they are seemingly trying to expand or create an alternate follow up to G1 and as a promotional fiction for new toys. Also they've once again given me a huge headache to even glance at. What is up with the artwork looking like it's struggling to fit in around the speech bubbles?

Anyways that's just the way I see it. I'm not even a big G1 fan or much of a Trekkie so I'm probably not the target audience for it but if even I find it really odd and offputting seeing a modern character in the otherwise seeimgly retro throwback that's going on then maybe that's a thing.
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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby Stormshot_Prime » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:39 am

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Sabrblade wrote:Guys, the G1 cartoon took place in the 20th and 21st Centuries. This will take place in the 23rd century, two whole centuries later. Why would it not make sense for someone newer to G1 like Windblade to appear in the cartoon's world some 200 years after its original time?

Besides, it's not like this kind of late-addition insertion hasn't happened many times over. Most recently, remember this?

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Even disregarding the non-show characters from the 80s toyline and comics, there's still Road Rage, Crosscut, Tigertrack, Stripes, Megaplex, Garboil, Howlback, Glit, Optimus Maximus (Convoy Grand Prime), and Megatron Black Ver. That's ten newer G1 characters (or new forms for preexisting ones) created years after the G1 era ended being inserted into the G1 cartoon's world long after the fact. Just like Windblade here. Only difference this time is that she isn't being put into the carton's original timeframe, but long after it.


Well if this IS supposed to be future cartoon continuity, we’d very much be seeing the 86 movie cast, ala Rodimus, Arcee, Perceptor; Megatron would be Galvatron, Starscream would be a ghost, etc.

It seems like the comic doesn’t care for the actual SPECIFIC continuity, but Windblade is still the elephant in the room as she simply doesn’t match the aesthetic.
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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:46 am

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I can agree with the sentiment that she stands out design wise, but I'm hoping that the artist does a better job of fitting her in (if she's part of the story).
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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:51 am

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Do we know for sure its set in the 23rd century? (OST timeline?), I mean the Trek crew did some time travel themselves, or it could just be some completely separate continuity. If it were the 23rd century, I'd like to see BW somehow incorporated. Find out what was really going on with Earth, and why every Cybertronian ship that approached it was instantly sent back 2 million years.
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Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jun 22, 2018 12:36 pm

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Carnivius_Prime wrote:Well, the comic seems like it's going for a huge nerdy childhood nostalgia thing,
So too was the Japanese stuff.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Those japanese comics are different because they are seemingly trying to expand or create an alternate follow up to G1 and as a promotional fiction for new toys.
And yet, a ton of old toys from the 2000s were crammed in there despite the only new toys being advertised by that comic were Topspin and Twin Twist.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Also they've once again given me a huge headache to even glance at. What is up with the artwork looking like it's struggling to fit in around the speech bubbles?
That' not how it works. The artwork was drawn first, then the speech bubbles were placed on top of it.



Stormshot_Prime wrote:Well if this IS supposed to be future cartoon continuity, we’d very much be seeing the 86 movie cast, ala Rodimus, Arcee, Perceptor; Megatron would be Galvatron, Starscream would be a ghost, etc.
I'm not saying that it's the exact future of the G1 cartoon, just that it takes place at a point long after when events akin to the G1 cartoon would have taken place.

Besides, the Seasons 1-2 cast are arguably more popular/iconic than the movie cast, so it makes ample sense that they'd be used here. Plus, it is hardly unheard of for a Megatron who had become Galvatron to go back to being Megatron again. The Prime Wars Trilogy cartoons (regardless of how bad they are) had that happen to their Megatron, for instance.

Stormshot_Prime wrote:It seems like the comic doesn’t care for the actual SPECIFIC continuity, but Windblade is still the elephant in the room as she simply doesn’t match the aesthetic.
She sure looks blockier than normal, though. Only her thighs and upper arms are still rounded. Everything else about her shape seems to have been put through a blocky Sunbow-styled filter. She's even blockier than all of the other female Autobots from the cartoon, heh. :P



o.supreme wrote:Do we know for sure its set in the 23rd century?
The description says that the Enterprise is responding to a distress call at a dilithium mine under attack by vehicles of "vintage 20th Century design". That sure doesn't sound like the altmodes are present day designs, and does sound instead like it's set at a point when Kirk's Enterprise is on active duty.
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Postby Burn » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:32 pm

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I don't know why everyone's getting their panties in a bunch over Windblade. One cover, that's all. Wait until you have more information before getting upset, you know such things trigger Sabrblade and we all then have to scroll through his lectures! Image
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Postby Sabrblade » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:35 pm

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Burn wrote:I don't know why everyone's getting their panties in a bunch over Windblade. One cover, that's all. Wait until you have more information before getting upset, you know such things trigger Sabrblade and we all then have to scroll through his lectures! Image

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Postby Carnivius_Prime » Sat Jun 23, 2018 12:35 am

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Carnivius_Prime wrote:Also they've once again given me a huge headache to even glance at. What is up with the artwork looking like it's struggling to fit in around the speech bubbles?
That' not how it works. The artwork was drawn first, then the speech bubbles were placed on top of it.



Didn't say it was but that's just how it looks. Far too cluttered.
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Postby Va'al » Fri Aug 24, 2018 2:42 am

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After yesterday's news in the form of solicitations for the IDW Publishing comic due out this November 2018, which you can see again here, we also have a variant cover released by the publisher for the third issue of the crossover mini-series of Star Trek vs Transformers!

The cover, with art by Megan Levens, features the all star cast of Arcee and Windblade with Star Trek’s Lieutenant Uhura, Nurse Chapel and Lieutenant M’Ress. Check it out mirrored below!

Klingons and Decepticons lay siege to a remote Federation dilithium mine-and the only thing holding them back is the shaky alliance of Captain Kirk and Optimus Prime. But what dark secret is buried beneath the ground... and can this uneasy partnership withstand the revelations?

The Transformers '80s cartoon series meets Star Trek: The Animated Series in a no-holds-barred Saturday Morning mash-up for the ages!


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Postby Carnivius_Prime » Fri Aug 24, 2018 3:28 am

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Does Windblade's head design ever not look ridiculous and over doing it trying to be japanese when not?
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Postby Caelus » Fri Aug 24, 2018 6:46 am

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Does Windblade's head design ever not look ridiculous and over doing it trying to be japanese when not?


Does Arcee's color layout ever not look like it's trying to be slooty?
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Postby RiddlerJ » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:16 am

Caelus wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Does Windblade's head design ever not look ridiculous and over doing it trying to be japanese when not?


Does Arcee's color layout ever not look like it's trying to be slooty?


ARCEE IS NOT A...Sloot? :???:
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Postby Caelus » Fri Aug 24, 2018 7:58 am

RiddlerJ wrote:
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Carnivius_Prime wrote:Does Windblade's head design ever not look ridiculous and over doing it trying to be japanese when not?


Does Arcee's color layout ever not look like it's trying to be slooty?


ARCEE IS NOT A...Sloot? :???:


Slang from game modding, in which fans (usually male) edit the game so that certain characters (usually female) look 'slutty'.

Slooty outfits are designed with the intention of inviting or satisfying sexual interest, but are not chosen by the person wearing them.

So when a fictional character's appearance has been designed to be especially sexy - especially when that's not part of the character - it's slooty.

No canon depiction of Arcee has really seemed like the sort of person to go into battle wearing a two piece, but her colors are laid out to look that way. Unlike most Transformers, her lower leg is the same secondary color as her upper leg, so that she doesn't look like she's wearing boots, and her abdomen is also rendered - entirely - in her secondary color. And if it wasn't perfectly clear her secondary color is supposed to represent skin, artists often give her a belly button.

I'd be okay with it if Arcee's character was supposed to come off that way (like Black Arachnia), but her personality doesn't fit with the look, so it feels like she's been forced into a certain appearance to pander to the reader's sexual interests.
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Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:04 am

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Caelus wrote:
RiddlerJ wrote:
Caelus wrote:
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Does Windblade's head design ever not look ridiculous and over doing it trying to be japanese when not?


Does Arcee's color layout ever not look like it's trying to be slooty?


ARCEE IS NOT A...Sloot? :???:


Slang from game modding, in which fans (usually male) edit the game so that certain characters (usually female) look 'slutty'.

Slooty outfits are designed with the intention of inviting or satisfying sexual interest, but are not chosen by the person wearing them.

So when a fictional character's appearance has been designed to be especially sexy - especially when that's not part of the character - it's slooty.

No canon depiction of Arcee has really seemed like the sort of person to go into battle wearing a two piece, but her colors are laid out to look that way. Unlike most Transformers, her lower leg is the same secondary color as her upper leg, so that she doesn't look like she's wearing boots, and her abdomen is also rendered - entirely - in her secondary color. And if it wasn't perfectly clear her secondary color is supposed to represent skin, artists often give her a belly button.

I'd be okay with it if Arcee's character was supposed to come off that way (like Black Arachnia), but her personality doesn't fit with the look, so it feels like she's been forced into a certain appearance to pander to the reader's sexual interests.

This is the first I've heard of that theory...and wow, once you see it...
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Postby Caelus » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:16 am

ZeroWolf wrote:This is the first I've heard of that theory...and wow, once you see it...


To be completely fair, many - perhaps most - Transformers use their secondary color for their thighs, and Windblade uses her secondary color (jet black) for her midriff as well, but with Arcee its the porcelain white color and the literal belly button that pushes it over the line from the campy superhero look to slooty.

Edit: Also to be fair, a person might be able to make the case that G1 Megatron is 'dressed' like a male stripper.
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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby ZeroWolf » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:19 am

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Yeah the belly button really is a step too far.
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Re: IDW Star Trek Vs. Transformers Series Discussion Thread

Postby Ig89ninja » Fri Aug 24, 2018 8:26 am

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ZeroWolf wrote:This is the first I've heard of that theory...and wow, once you see it...


To be completely fair, many - perhaps most - Transformers use their secondary color for their thighs, and Windblade uses her secondary color (jet black) for her midriff as well, but with Arcee its the porcelain white color and the literal belly button that pushes it over the line from the campy superhero look to slooty.

Edit: Also to be fair, a person might be able to make the case that G1 Megatron is 'dressed' like a male stripper.

Not to mention Windblade’s face is a different color than her secondary color
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