Banjo-Tron wrote:Oi! Spoiler alert! Mine hasn't arrived yet
Bounti76 wrote:4. Not terribly on topic, but since Chromedome has a fairly visible part in this issue...what happens to the Targetmasters? We've seen that Chromedome got his original head back, and Stylor is a regular Nebulan again. We've seen Crosshairs and Kup fire their guns (Pinpointer and Recoil, respectively), and Recoil was the last Nebulan shown in human form (back in the original Marvel run). Why go to the bother of showing what happened to all the old Headmasters' original heads, unless it was to bring Fortress Maximus back into play? It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me that they'd purposely show Chromedome, back in the first issue of this story arc getting his head back, and not even mention the Targetmasters who may want to reintegrate back into regular life again.
So, your thoughts?
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Banjo-Tron wrote:Perhaps not entirely relevant, but it has always bugged me why Fort Max is consistently drawn with a '+' on his forehead. Anyone know where this came from? Since I can't find a reference on the toy...
.........When war came, he did not hesitate to turn his gifts to the ways of combat, adapting one construction base into a repair bay, the other into a battle station.
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Rodimus Prime wrote:Well he didn't have it in the cartoon, IIRC, and the toy is based on the cartoon, not the comic.
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Va'al wrote:Question 4 - I'm not sure, actually.
1 and 2 - I believe that there may be a bigger connection than previously thought between Primus and Unicron, leading the disciples to act as they did. I mean, they're obviously terrified of Primus, which doesn't really make sense, even as a primal type of religious worship (well, ok, a little - but you'd still need some kind of reason to scare them that much: e.g. Zeus was scary because of thunder and lightning).
3 - I took it as being all part of the Underbase, and them all being connected. All of the key players involved seem to know what the others are doing or what the overall plot is, without any contact between each other. That would also mean, though, that Jhiaxus knows what is about to happen, as well. Hrm.
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Bounti76 wrote:4. Not terribly on topic, but since Chromedome has a fairly visible part in this issue...what happens to the Targetmasters? We've seen that Chromedome got his original head back, and Stylor is a regular Nebulan again. We've seen Crosshairs and Kup fire their guns (Pinpointer and Recoil, respectively), and Recoil was the last Nebulan shown in human form (back in the original Marvel run). Why go to the bother of showing what happened to all the old Headmasters' original heads, unless it was to bring Fortress Maximus back into play? It just doesn't make a lot of sense to me that they'd purposely show Chromedome, back in the first issue of this story arc getting his head back, and not even mention the Targetmasters who may want to reintegrate back into regular life again.
So, your thoughts?
Yes we saw Kup and Crosshairs fire their guns.........but did we see Pinpointer & Recoil??
I dont think so.I think the targetmasters would have been the easiest to be returned to a normal like life, and would have returned home when the war "ended" in issue 80.
Bounti76 wrote:What kind of connection do you think there is? I didn't read much, if at all, beyond the Underbase saga, but as I recall, Weren't Primus and Unicron essentially halves of a whole who warred against each other for millennia until Primus tricked Unicron into inhabiting his planet form? I know there are several Primus/Unicron origin stories, but I don't know which one holds true in the Marvel continuity. Maybe Primus is taking a more active role in the race to stop time from unraveling, and will take care of Galvatron himself
I can see them all being connected via the Underbase, but I thought since Jhiaxus had removed himself from his fellows' memories And the Underbase, that they wouldn't know who he is. I can see the four of them knowing each other, and Starscream, as he absorbed the Underbase, but I can't see how they'd still know Jhiaxus.
We didn't see them, per se, but we have seen Weirdwolf, Skullcruncher and other Headmasters still alive and kicking, which must mean Monzo, Grax, etc. are still alive, but just not shown as individuals. A couple of issues ago, when Fort Max's body was still being constructed, the Nebulan scientist specifically stated that the rest of the Decepticon Headmasters' original heads were still in stasis- so you have to figure any time we've seen a Decepticon Headmaster, we've seen their Nebulan partners, too, just not as individuals.
And the Targetmasters are still binary bonded to their partners, they just have never phsyically combined.
So I agree, it could have been easy enough for them to return to Nebulos after the war was over. But my whole point is this: Why go to the trouble of tying up a loose end like "What happened to the Headmasters' Original Heads?" to only show Chromedome and Stylor parting ways agreeably? Why not throw in a quick one or two panel explanation about how the Targetmasters returned to a normal life? I just don't understand if the whole Chromedome/Stylor thing served any real purpose.
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Bounti76 wrote:Okay...so.... here are my big questions.
1. Why would Acolytes of UNICRON be bringing Galvatron to Primus, when they worship Unicron and want to bring about chaos, which Primus opposes? Which brings me to my next question...
2. Is Primus possessed by the Dark Matrix creature, too? In the last panel, he looks extraordinarily evil, not to mention that both he and Fortress Maximus used the same phrase, almost word for word "one will be all". And, he's not "speaking" in the same clipped manner he was when he was possessing Grimlock.
Rodimus Prime wrote:And I think by now it's OK to post spoilers, but just to be on the safe side, I think Rodimus wasn't really surrendering, he was just trying to either get close to Jhiaxus personally to take the fight to him, or he has some other plan than Jhiaxus is too arrogant to realize Rodimus can formulate.
Quint wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:And I think by now it's OK to post spoilers, but just to be on the safe side, I think Rodimus wasn't really surrendering, he was just trying to either get close to Jhiaxus personally to take the fight to him, or he has some other plan than Jhiaxus is too arrogant to realize Rodimus can formulate.
All due respect, RP, that's maybe wishful thinking, me finks
It's likely that Starscream's the key to Rodimus' salvation there, as observed in an earlier post
Quint wrote:Actually, one gripe: I don't know quite how Jetfire has sprouted a new skill set(s).
His G1 Marvel persona was not this science and military strategy polymath, Simon Furman has obviously just carried them over from his Dreamwave and IDW runs.
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sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Just look twards his marvel bio and it speaks of his devotion to scientific research.Even thou he was basically a new born he was still given a high rank, high enough that he was considered one of the "leaders" that could be entrusted in picking the next autobot leader after Prime died.
He lead the aerialbots on the first attack on underbased powered starscream.
in the uk run, he took command when prime went missing.
what were seeing now just seems like an extension of what we saw then.
Quint wrote:sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
Just look twards his marvel bio and it speaks of his devotion to scientific research.Even thou he was basically a new born he was still given a high rank, high enough that he was considered one of the "leaders" that could be entrusted in picking the next autobot leader after Prime died.
He lead the aerialbots on the first attack on underbased powered starscream.
in the uk run, he took command when prime went missing.
what were seeing now just seems like an extension of what we saw then.
You've got me on the bio, fair enough, although that was hardly ever played out in any Marvel narrative.
Made me chuckle though, the three examples you've cited were at best failures and at worst catastrophes, each of them
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