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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Randomhero » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:35 pm

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Insurgent wrote:They wanted her to do a soft reboot? THAT's why? Ugh. Stupid stupid stupid. Why? Why not let her tell the story she wanted to tell? It was selling well, right? This is why I was against the Hasbroverse when they started it. I knew it was going to interfere with what we had going on. Still, I'm glad they've given her this annual to finish the story. I just hope my comic shop gets it in. He doesn't seem to get annuals.



Because sales continued to drop more and more every month. Look I know it would have been nice to counter but as someone who works in retail and sees stuff the not many see when something doesn’t sell you either rebrand and change it or you cancel it. It’s business. You can’t just continue producing something that won’t turn around no matter how good the content is.


They offered her options and she chose to end the series on her own accord. That’s more respect some some books get. Look at the Scarlett GI joe book. While there’s a lot of controversy there and justifiably so that team was told the series was canceled before issue one even hit. Scott was at least allowed to finish the current story and are nice enough to make this annual. They value her creativity and respect her and her fans enough for that.


It's probably for the best. What would a soft reboot even look like for this series? This way it at least ended with some dignity.


Probably would have just given a more focused direction, introducing new characters to interact with Cybertron. Who knows but honestly, transformers has been softly rebooted about four times in IDW. Good writing can make it work. We saw it happen in 2012 with RID and MTMTE
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:37 am

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Insurgent wrote: I just hope my comic shop gets it in. He doesn't seem to get annuals.


I preordered mine, you could try that even.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Insurgent » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:05 am

Sales were dropping? Didn't know that. Guess i was just frustrated this series ended as i was enjoying it the most of the three series at the time. And RL stuff has me very frustrated and on edge constantly too so I'm prone to over reactions.

I prefer physical items for my comics. Yes they take up space but digital ones just don't feel right. I don't enjoy them as much as physical ones. I'm going to pick up my LL today, I'll make sure to order it.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:14 am

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Insurgent wrote:Sales were dropping? Didn't know that. Guess i was just frustrated this series ended as i was enjoying it the most of the three series at the time. And RL stuff has me very frustrated and on edge constantly too so I'm prone to over reactions.

I prefer physical items for my comics. Yes they take up space but digital ones just don't feel right. I don't enjoy them as much as physical ones. I'm going to pick up my LL today, I'll make sure to order it.



The issue with sales is that: people counting sales don't tend to include digital, domestic, international, trade vs single issues as the same number. If pre-orders are not done via the absolutely idiotic DM system (Diamond, essentially) it counts as 'it's not selling'. Never mind how well that same title may be doing in the total amount of actual all copies of it being sold across a period of time.

It's a very stupid, monopoly-based system that leads to all sorts of narrow marketing decisions.



ALSO - IDW, as most comics publishers, do not know how to actually fully push any title. Creators should not be the ones bearing the brunt of the marketing.

(Slightly OT message, but wanted to get it off my chest.)

Looking forward to the Annual!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Sat Dec 09, 2017 9:54 am

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Insurgent wrote:I prefer physical items for my comics. Yes they take up space but digital ones just don't feel right. I don't enjoy them as much as physical ones. I'm going to pick up my LL today, I'll make sure to order it.

I have a room where I sit back and enjoy my comics. And I leave the newest copies on the table until I put them onto their shelves, so I identify with you.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Dec 11, 2017 9:33 am

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Sunstar wrote:
Insurgent wrote:I prefer physical items for my comics. Yes they take up space but digital ones just don't feel right. I don't enjoy them as much as physical ones. I'm going to pick up my LL today, I'll make sure to order it.

I have a room where I sit back and enjoy my comics. And I leave the newest copies on the table until I put them onto their shelves, so I identify with you.

I feel about the same. I do not like reading digital copies of books, it actually hurts. And I like having my comic shelf where I can just grab one at any time.

As for the story, I'm glad we're getting the annual. I did really like the series, and I'm hoping the annual gives the end of it justice
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:47 am

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Sunstar wrote:
Insurgent wrote:I prefer physical items for my comics. Yes they take up space but digital ones just don't feel right. I don't enjoy them as much as physical ones. I'm going to pick up my LL today, I'll make sure to order it.

I have a room where I sit back and enjoy my comics. And I leave the newest copies on the table until I put them onto their shelves, so I identify with you.

I feel about the same. I do not like reading digital copies of books, it actually hurts. And I like having my comic shelf where I can just grab one at any time.

As for the story, I'm glad we're getting the annual. I did really like the series, and I'm hoping the annual gives the end of it justice


I am just hoping they allow him to remain leader... I love his struggles. I do have a pile of digital copies I got from humble bundle, which was how I got back into the stories.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Bounti76 » Mon Dec 18, 2017 11:57 pm

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It draws ever near.........the great dread......the end......no, not Unicron, the end of the Till All Are One series, in the form of its first (and last) annual! Set to be released this coming Wednesday, December 20th, we now have the full five-page preview, thanks to fellow Seibertronian Sunstar, who pointed us towards Newsarama's article on the book.

Transformers: Till All Are One Annual 2017
Mairghread Scott (w) • Sara Pitre-Durocher (a & c)
Elita One, Windblade, and Starscream fight to gain ultimate control of Cybertron! Dark secrets will be revealed in this series finale!
FC • 48 pages • $7.99
Bullet points:
· The shocking finale to the epic Cybertronian saga from Mairghread Scott and Sara Pitre-Durocher!
· A happy ending! For some…


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Reactions? Thoughts? Feelings? Come back to the Energon Pub forums on Wednesday to discuss, and in the meantime, share your feelings about this preview and the Till All Are One series below!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Bounti76 » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:27 am

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Looks like Mairghread Scott is getting to partially fulfill at least one of her wishes for the series, had it continued. With Greenlight and Lancer (and possibly Firestar) joining Chromia, only Moonracer and Elita One will be absent a G1 fembots team-up.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:43 am

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I am SO excited for this book. It is SO good.
The review is SO almost ready, too!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Tue Dec 19, 2017 10:09 am

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I'm wondering, since Onyx Prime returns next month and it is implied that the Liege is with him, what will happen with the Chromia search team
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:54 pm

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D-Maximus_Prime wrote:I'm wondering, since Onyx Prime returns next month and it is implied that the Liege is with him, what will happen with the Chromia search team


So many stories start in this book. So many.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby LE0KING » Tue Dec 19, 2017 2:39 pm

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This Windblade looks like a fusion between her generations t30 toy and the titans return one. Not sure how I like it.
She seems too squat and thick.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Tue Dec 19, 2017 4:57 pm

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I am looking forward and dreading this book at the same time.
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Review for IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Annual 2017

Postby Va'al » Wed Dec 20, 2017 12:59 am

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A Good Ending
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Synopsis
Elita One, Windblade, and Starscream fight to gain ultimate control of Cybertron! Dark secrets will be revealed in this series finale!

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The Galadriel effect in full force


Story

I gushed a lot of my appreciation for a story and a series like Till All Are One once already, in my final review of the ongoing series a couple of months back - you can read that review here, if so inclined, but I want to quote myself to make a major point about this annual:

Till All Are One #12 gave us the best story it could probably and possibly ever deliver; it gave us a resolution between Starscream and Windblade that is not a conclusion; it brought elements together that no other book had really done so far; it redeemed characters without offering them salvation.


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Look at where we started..


In my original conclusion to that line of thought, I said that I wished we'd had more time to appreciate, encounter, and explore what lies ahead of all of them much sooner than we actually would. And in that respect, the Annual delivers on changing my mind entirely, just as it revolutionises the stage and status quo of the series' setting - I actually want to see it even more, now.

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My face at multiple times in the issue, all in one panel


As it is an issue that I think is best experienced in its entirety and lack of information, I do not want to go into any detail about the plot or the characters here, but I will say that there is a culmination of an incredible number of plots - from the very start of the series way back when it was just Windblade - and one of the best developments in the Hasbro shared universe, as a consequence of First Strike's effect on Cybertron and Cybertronians.

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plus, more Combatico-- ok, Vortex


I can't really speak of a 'happy ending', not in the strictest sense of the term, and there are some very heartfelt joyful moments, but (and I'm pretty sure I'm tapping into my thoughts of other media that has come out this month) this long, utterly enjoyable and satisfying read has gone from the 'best ending' TAAO could've had (issue #12) to A Good Ending. A good ground to build a much positive, much wider, much better universe.


Art

There was no other way to conclude the story without artist Sara Pitre-Durocher, who has been involved in the franchise for so long people tend to forget just how much material she's covered in her work, be it comics or packaging art. And what we have here is a testimony to that proximity, with nods to the first Windblade series in opening sequences, revisitations of the glorious Starscream of issue #12, and perhaps the happiest, tiredest, positively relieved Windblade, but also several Cybertronians that have populated the stage this far.

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Remind you of anything?


And the feeling of light, the legeresse and relief that come with some of the aspects that are not to be understated - can never be underestimated - throughout the story, among the different inhabitants of the story and the city, could not be possible without the amazing lighting work that Joana Lafuente brings in her colours. The symbolism of dawns and dusks is one that runs all through the TFverse, but we see it here as a full revolution - and you may take that however you want.

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Embrace the dawn


In Scott's letter in the backmatter of the issue, the writer acknowledges Tom B. Long's excellent contribution to the issue and the work on the series as a whole, something I was glad to see as a fan of the letterer's work across the board - no less in this annual, where some of the more poignant moments are silent, and handled with extreme masterful care. There is only one variant cover - by artist JN Wiedle - to the main Pitre-Durocher one (which is so full of callbacks that I cannot even), and I've used it to spotlight the thumbnail. Both are glorious. Both deserve visibility. Look at them, and enjoy.

Thoughts
Spoilerish ahead

This is a story of leadership. We have three potential leaders, all of whom are actually, surprisingly, fitting possibilities for this new Cybertron. All three are potential stories to be told about a city, a planet, a civilisation - and by extent, an entire universe that involves more than just the Transformers. One of these is the winner, one of these is the loser, one of these wins something else entirely, and we have the immense pleasure and privilege of being along for the ride with at least two out of three. Pay attention to the dialogue. Pay attention to the words, including the author's letter in the back of the issue. It's all there, all along.

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The creative team, probably


I've had comments on the pacing of the book, that it feels a little rushed in parts - and while I can recognise that, I do not think it detrimental to the story, at all. If anything, it heightens the sense of frenzied anticipation for the events taking place, the urgency of it all, and the buzz of a build-up with finally a resolution that can lead to a different future from the pasts and presents we have known in the stories of Transformers so far. And for that, I have to thank the writer, the artists, the colourists, the letterers, the editors.

So thank you, again.

. :CYBERTRON: :CYBERTRON: :CYBERTRON: :CYBERTRON: :CYBERTRON: out of :CYBERTRON: :CYBERTRON: :CYBERTRON: :CYBERTRON: :CYBERTRON:
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Bounti76 » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:59 am

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Just finished it. And I agree entirely. It will probably take me days, and multiple readings, to take it all in. It's almost overwhelming....and in such a good way.

Thank you, Mairghread, Sara, Joana, and Tom, for a book I couldn't WAIT to enjoy every month. It was a pleasure to appreciate your work.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby ScottyP » Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:31 am

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Va'al nailed it. Well said! This was tremendous. So many little threads tied up neatly and with purpose.

To echo the others - to the creative team, thank you!
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Wed Dec 20, 2017 10:52 am

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I could cry, I got light headed, I will need to read it again to get the full impact. But wow.

I bawled my eyes out.. I actually bawled my eyes out.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby night18mare » Wed Dec 20, 2017 6:20 pm

I don't post about IDW transformers in any board, I prefer to sit back and read through most discussion boards to see how people feel about what today's transformers comics have become.

Some people's opinion I agree with, some I disagree with, and some I don't think will be able to understand their opinion, but I don't say my piece because my opinion is unnecessary and unneeded.

I say this because whatever I say about IDW transformers, it won't change anything, I won't wake up tomorrow and see all the things that I find personally distasteful and/or wrong about the comic changed into something different and interesting, my opinion won't stop it from continuing.

However, I feel a great desire to share with this board my feelings towards this comic annual.

I love it.

I flip-flop-pity, hop-tactically love it.

I love it because it brought a hope inside me since things began to fall apart when RID became EX-RID, but my irritations started after that, Windblade 1-4 was my starting point in IDW, never read primacy, autocracy, monstrosity, chaos theory, Dark Cybertron or any other comics before Windblade.

Never even heard of IDW Transformers comics until after dark cybertron.
Now your might be wondering, why did I get into IDW, well one word really or one name exactly.

Windblade.

When I was in High school browsing pinterest in my spare time looking up concept art, I found pictures of windblade in a art style that was just so beautiful, the work of Sarash Stone (man I miss her work) I had to find more, and I did, I found a website that uploaded comics and Read windblade 1-4 and after reading it, I thought to myself, Your to good for this world windblade, I wish your were the leader of cybertron, someone with no history would help a lot, and then I thought, WHY IN THE FLYING BAGEL ROLL ON SWISH CHEESE IS STARSCREAM LEADER OF CYBERTRON AND HOW?!

So I looked up more Transformers comics on the site, I read for days, in and out of high school, I read until it was all I could think about, I researched the tfwiki to understood parts and pieces I could find, how the order of the story went, how things worked.

When I did finally catch up, I toke a break to process everything.

My first thoughts about IDW was this is awesome finally a dark and interesting transformers story, then me and my brother started to talk about it, and love doing so, but then the bliss started to fade rereading some of the comics, then it started to stared to become boring, then annoying, then infuriating, then heartbreaking and finally bad.

By that time I realized somethings, IDW is all over the place, the art is all over the place,the writers, the characters, the story, the concepts, the ideas, the universe, the crossovers, the world, the universe, but why.

Maybe because of Hasbro, Maybe it's IDW themselves, both or some other third thing, I don't know, but what I do know is it was pushing me and my brother away and it did.

Then we started to looking at other people perspective and realized, IDW transformers universe is dark and **** up, and not in a good way.
Even thou we check in every now and again we keep our standers low.

So now today's another day checking in on IDW, and I was happy as a bat on Halloween night, when I read this, I was jumping with joy when windblade won the election, for so long I was hurt and sad to see what windblade had to go through with...well everything and still want do good for a hopeless cybertron and now shes leader of cybertron.

I hope to see more of this in the future and I wish windblade all my luck.

Sorry for the long post and thanks for listening to my feelings, have a nice night.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Targetmaster Kup » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:06 pm

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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:14 pm

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I feel that Starscream in the end displayed nobility, selflessness, extreme courage and self sacrifice...
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Ebonyleopard » Wed Dec 20, 2017 9:33 pm

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I had always personally felt that TAAO had become the best of the three Transformers series because it was giving me everything I wanted, Transformers of all generations interacting with one another, nice political intrigue that goes beyond the war, and some great takes on new characters and old established ones and I'll never understand why it didn't get the sales numbers it needed to continue. But mark my words, we're losing a hell of a series and creative team that we may come to regret letting get away.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby budmaloney » Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:19 am

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What a great finale. That ending was very touching.

I really really wanted to Starscream to spell out that he loves her. Add some romance into the mix. Even though he didn't have to say it, it was clear imo. I sincerely hope they maintain the course and never go back to the old Starscream. It was demeaning to always see him abused by Megatron and crew. Scott's creative team from the dawn of Windblade has put significant effort in defeating evil Starscream...by making him good....and honestly I love that. This is the powerful writing that could change a perception of the character for ever. What he did in the end was for love and for the greater good.

How come they ended TAAO? Is M. Scott leaving Transformers?
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Va'al » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:06 am

Motto: "Till All Are Pun!"
The replies to this thread are warming my very cold cockles (due to outside temperatures, nothing else!). It's lovely to see how many enjoyed the issue and the series. :x


How come they ended TAAO? Is M. Scott leaving Transformers?


They're ending the series because it reached a natural point of 'conclusion' for a number of arcs, and Scott was asked if she was interested in soft-rebooting to continue with the rest of the IDW line from here onwards. We'll probably see this in Lost Light too, at some point.

She said no, so the series got the Annual to cap the previous arcs off.

That said, I have no idea if she's leaving the franchise for good (she does have a lot of work coming up with Marvel and other things), but nothing we've seen so far suggest she might be working on any of the titles currently announced.
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Re: IDW Transformers: Till All Are One Discussion Thread

Postby Sunstar » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:31 am

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budmaloney wrote:What a great finale. That ending was very touching.

I really really wanted to Starscream to spell out that he loves her. Add some romance into the mix. Even though he didn't have to say it, it was clear imo. I sincerely hope they maintain the course and never go back to the old Starscream. It was demeaning to always see him abused by Megatron and crew. Scott's creative team from the dawn of Windblade has put significant effort in defeating evil Starscream...by making him good....and honestly I love that. This is the powerful writing that could change a perception of the character for ever. What he did in the end was for love and for the greater good.



I completely agree with that.

He would not do something like that without a reason. He loved his world, he loved her. He never would have risked himself unless he had feelings for her. And it was clear she had feelings for him. Both are too Stubborn and proud to admit it. He sacrificed himself for the love of many things. I also hope they do not revert him - this is how I believe he should end up. I also feel he is scared to admit affection for anyone on the chance he'll lose it forever - its more in character for him if he doesn't spell it out. If you love someone, you'll do anything for them. I am sure he feels she'll look over his ideas and plans and execute them, because he knows she was born to create something new.
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