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MagicDeath wrote:The good thing about Transformers is that they don’t have to do some sort of in-fiction universe reset. The whole franchise is based around different continuities.
Also, I feel like we’re arguing against assumed extreme views when we all just kind of want something in the middle. A comic series that’s fun to read (what comics are for) while being deep enough to be interesting. Or I guess any amount of depth so long as it doesn’t take away from anything else.Galactic Prime wrote:Caelus wrote:
Transformers in the IDW comics don't have sexes
All 4 characters are MALE GENDER.
This seems to boil down to definitions and interpretations. I think it will go on forever if continued.
Galactic Prime wrote:You do realize that sex does not have to be had for them to be homosexual right?
Both pairs of characters are male, that's a fact dude.
I read the whole thing, it was as gay as any other homosexual couple I know in real life.
Hell Chromedome and Rewind went so far as to be "paired" in a very marriage style relationship.
It could I suppose, but those arguing they aren't male would be wrong.
Burn wrote:Gay ... straight ... whatever else ... does it really matter though?
Caelus wrote:"Same sex" relationships entail SEX. Not GENDER.
Caelus wrote:Burn wrote:Gay ... straight ... whatever else ... does it really matter though?
It does if you're a gay reader who feels more included in the fandom because there are characters you identify with, or if you're a homophobic person who freaks out over seeing two "hes" hold hands.
Unfortunately, neither of those approaches work in this case, since Transformers in IDW don't have sex, and since the distinction between cisgender and transgender is a lot murkier for transformers than people (which is saying a lot).
Burn wrote:Caelus wrote:"Same sex" relationships entail SEX. Not GENDER.
In human terms, "sex" does refer to "gender".
When people talk of "same sex relationships" they're referring to two people of the same gender.
Sex covers both gender AND the action of sex.
As humans, it's a habit we have of trying to apply our human concepts to non-human things.
It doesn't help in this case that Transformers has a long held history of establishing both male and female characters. Yes, they are alien robots who do not have sexual intercourse (well, that we know of anyway!) but we still assign genders to them.
But does the appearance of two robots, (who, by our very own definition are of the same gender) in a relationship actually help gay readers feel included in the fandom?
That's a genuine question because to me, I don't give a flying **** what a persons sexuality is, they can be part of the fandom regardless. You either like Transformers or you don't. Your sexual orientation shouldn't matter.
Yeah I know, there's homophobes in all fandoms, but that's a greater problem with society, not the fandom.
See again, I gotta disagree. You're saying sexual orientation is only defined once a person is having sex,
thus, as Transformers don't have sex, their orientation can't be defined.
I can't agree with that. What if, in some other media, two guys sit holding hands, and then they kiss, and the screen fades. We don't see them have sex, therefore, are they gay? We're left with the impression that they are. But if we take your definition then unless we actually see them having sex then their orientation can't be defined.
Thus, just because we don't see Transformers having sex, doesn't mean they don't engage in some sort of union that could be defined as sex.
Black Bumblebee wrote:I think the shared universe thing is what broke them. Once done, very, very hard to undo. If GI Joe wants to reboot and do their own thing, for example... they can't.
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote: Maybe just focus on what actually works and not try to shoehorn every single IP they own into a story that really didn't need it.
Gotta make that MCU Money though! The Shared Universe gimmick has generated enough money that, for good or ill, everyone wants in on it, with no greater thought than combining everything they have...
ZeroWolf wrote:Prime Nova wrote:Hope they keep scott off the books. They could bring Shane back because the Mars attack one shot was amazing. If they set it in that time line
I'm the opposite, keep Scott and ban Shane from ever working on tfs ever again. Or at least keep him to more self contained mini series.
Also who ever mentioned the exiles like tf series for Roberts to have fun with, I'm all in on that idea.
Galactic Prime wrote:
He started it, read the PM I sent you
Burn's post was in plain English. He ordered both of you to stop. You refused. Each of you get a warning.KorsO wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:
He started it, read the PM I sent you
Amazing. Not enough that you troll incessantly, your a liar as well now?
Either way, not surprise. Kinda figures actually.
partholon wrote:
on the intersectional stuff i mainly mean the forced introduction of stuff like feminism/ transgender issues into a property where it really makes no sense. particularly when its done in the form of "new" characters who dont actually exist. lug anode aileron and the like.
this isnt xmen, its transformers. if i want to read about homosexual relationships i'll buy "strangers in paradise". i come here for the robot war steeped on intrigue and sci/fi concepts.
particualrly when its done in such a hamfisted heavy handed way as it seems to dominate the franchise.
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Rodimus Prime wrote:Burn's post was in plain English. He ordered both of you to stop. You refused. Each of you get a warning.KorsO wrote:Galactic Prime wrote:
He started it, read the PM I sent you
Amazing. Not enough that you troll incessantly, your a liar as well now?
Either way, not surprise. Kinda figures actually.
Burn wrote:It doesn't matter who started it, what matters is that I had to step in and finish it, but you ignored my directive and continued anyway.
Now let's get back on topic please ...
Burn wrote:Gay ... straight ... whatever else ... does it really matter though?
partholon wrote:Burn wrote:Gay ... straight ... whatever else ... does it really matter though?
Course it does.
This isn't a romance book. So why am I reading about robots in love?
IMO it's why people have walked. Idw have strayed too far from the core concept.
KorsO wrote:I understand the need to show relationships & all to complement the complexities of a TF character that they are not just one dimensional beings, but please bare in mind that this is still a comic that is catered towards kids (not just nostalgia based adults).
When I saw scenes like where Onslaught was embracing Blast off holding hands as couples do in TAAO or Tailgate leaning his head on Cyclonus's shoulders, etc2., I was like ... Come on, is this really necessary for a Transformers comic? To show a Visual depiction of affection between alien robots of the same gender?
Randomhero wrote:partholon wrote:Burn wrote:Gay ... straight ... whatever else ... does it really matter though?
Course it does.
This isn't a romance book. So why am I reading about robots in love?
IMO it's why people have walked. Idw have strayed too far from the core concept.
I hate to break it to you dude but the core and backbone to transformers has and will always be SELL TOYS!!!!!
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