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Ironhidensh wrote:Has IDW's version of the classic characters started to take more precedence than the original G1 versions?
For the obvious example, when I think of Megatron, I no longer think of the megalomaniac personification of evil destroyer of worlds, but now I think of the conflicted freedom fighter who tried too hard and lost his way.
When I think of Hot Rod, I don't think of the young hero ready to step up and carry the Matrix. I think of the immature leader who means well, but can't get out of his own way.
When I think of Optimus, I don't think of the greatest hero of my childhood. I think of the proverb that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
IDW has moved so far beyond the humble beginnings of our beloved toy commercial. I just realized today talking with a fellow nerd, that "old school" G1 is fading away to me. The vast world building and attention to character building IDW has done is winning. I'm okay with this.
Your thoughts?
Rodimus Prime wrote:However, if someone talks to me about Transformers, unless they specify which iteration they are speaking of, I always think it's the original Generation 1 versions, simply because it's what I grew up with and what I have ingrained in my memories.
I will respond to your entire post, but I wanted to quote that sentence because it was a subject I wanted to touch upon.Va'al wrote:So is Bayverse 'replacing' G1 in cultural reference?
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Rodimus Prime wrote:Va'al wrote:So is Bayverse 'replacing' G1 in cultural reference?
Now, the point about the above quoted sentence regarding Bayverse. I mentioned before that whenever someone talks about Transformers with me and they don't specify the continuity, I revert to G1 automatically. However, if I talk to someone younger than me, I usually stop and check with them if they're indeed speaking of G1, or if they are talking about Bayverse, because it is the most popular (or at least well-known) facet of the franchise right now. So is Bayverse replacing G1, as you asked? My answer is I don't think so, but for a lot of people Bayverse is the starting out point, so for them that is the original continuity, and perhaps they view G1 as some ancient relic to be referenced once in a while.
I think I can add more hypercasual fan encounter experience anecdotes:Va'al wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Va'al wrote:So is Bayverse 'replacing' G1 in cultural reference?
Now, the point about the above quoted sentence regarding Bayverse. I mentioned before that whenever someone talks about Transformers with me and they don't specify the continuity, I revert to G1 automatically. However, if I talk to someone younger than me, I usually stop and check with them if they're indeed speaking of G1, or if they are talking about Bayverse, because it is the most popular (or at least well-known) facet of the franchise right now. So is Bayverse replacing G1, as you asked? My answer is I don't think so, but for a lot of people Bayverse is the starting out point, so for them that is the original continuity, and perhaps they view G1 as some ancient relic to be referenced once in a while.
Yes, context of the conversation is very much applicable in these cases, very much agreed. But I'll also add that I don't usually assume the people I talk about TFs to are necessary in the know of anything TF related - and when that is the case, Bayverse does indeed come up before any other incarnation, because it's more visible, I suppose.
It's an interesting development, really, that the current cultural referent is the live-action movies for a lot of hypercasuals (to use a ScottyPism). I don't find it just to be younger people, either.
(I mean, you'd have to go into the description of the different things to make any of it make sense: G1 is nothing like IDW (ymmv), which is nothing like the Bayverse, which is only vaguely related to any of the animated shows since Beast Wars. More like parallel lines with crossover in names only at the best. It's not an easy lore to convey to people who aren't in it, I feel.)
Va'al wrote:So is Bayverse 'replacing' G1 in cultural reference?
ScottyP wrote:So to go back to:Va'al wrote:So is Bayverse 'replacing' G1 in cultural reference?
Yes. Absolutely holy crap yes. You don't have to like it, but it is happening.
Kurona wrote:when people talk about Transformers these days, it's gonna be about Michael Bay's excuse to make a billion explosions.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Ironhidensh wrote:I wrote that badly. I did not mean to suggest younger/newer fans were wrong for not being G1 fans. Sorry about that.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote: TF Animated started at the same time and became basically my first cartoon that I watched regularly.
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