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News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Fri May 08, 2009 11:13 am

God Thundercracker wrote:Why was Hal mourning Batman's death in Blackest Night 0? I would think he would be celebrating, given the long history of animosity between them.

Because as Hal said...they may not have liked each other but he considered Batman a friend,a team mate.

by **God Thundercracker** » Sat May 09, 2009 3:00 am

I thought Batman was really rude to Hal in that flashback in Blackest Night 0. "I'll shove that ring where the sun doesn't shine"? Just goes to show that money can't buy you class. :roll:

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:08 am

God Thundercracker wrote:I thought Batman was really rude to Hal in that flashback in Blackest Night 0. "I'll shove that ring where the sun doesn't shine"? Just goes to show that money can't buy you class.

And Hal being carless and giving away your position, which could get you killed, wouldnt make you angry right??

by **God Thundercracker** » Sat May 09, 2009 3:24 pm

Who says Hal was being careless? he was just doing his job, which required him to use his ring. I'm sure he didn't even know where batman was hiding, yet Batman acted like Hal exposed him on purpose or something. As hal said, it's not his fault that Batman's only superpower is skulking in the shadows. maybe batman should just stick to beating up crooks in Gotham.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat May 09, 2009 6:17 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:Who says Hal was being careless?

In a war or fight with a greater force keeping your postion a secret is a priority.

If one of the members of your team is revealing that postion by shining a bright lite its carless.

God Thundercracker wrote: he was just doing his job, which required him to use his ring.

Which he doent have to do so brightly.He can control how bright his ring,and its construct, shine.

God Thundercracker wrote: I'm sure he didn't even know where batman was hiding,

He still gave away his troops position.

God Thundercracker wrote: yet Batman acted like Hal exposed him on purpose or something.

Because he did.Hal can control how bright his light shines.If he didnt control it then it was on purpose.

God Thundercracker wrote:As hal said, it's not his fault that Batman's only superpower is skulking in the shadows.

True enough, but Hal should consider that when useing his powers.Their a team and a team should be looking out for its team members.

It was careless of Hal to give away their position.

God Thundercracker wrote: maybe batman should just stick to beating up crooks in Gotham.

Batmans tactics have saved Hal and the entire JZlA plenty of times.

by **God Thundercracker** » Sat May 09, 2009 8:33 pm

When has Batman ever saved Hal's life??? And was Hal supposed to worry that he might be shining his light too brightly when he was in the heat of a battle and most likely fighting for his own life? And doesn't a Green Lantern light up whenever he uses his ring? What if hal had to use his ring to save another teammate, and the enemy just happened to be near where batman was? That would hardly be Hal's fault?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat May 09, 2009 8:49 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:When has Batman ever saved Hal's life???

More times then I could possibly count.

God Thundercracker wrote:And was Hal supposed to worry that he might be shining his light too brightly when he was in the heat of a battle and most likely fighting for his own life?

Which wasnt implied in the dialog.What was implied was that they were waiting for the enemy and Hal's carelessness reviled their position.

God Thundercracker wrote:And doesn't a Green Lantern light up whenever he uses his ring?

A GL with the right training has the ability to reduce the brightness of his constructs to a non glow.And a GL with the skill and expertise Hal has is certinly capable or reduceing the brightness of his lite.

God Thundercracker wrote: What if hal had to use his ring to save another teammate, and the enemy just happened to be near where batman was? That would hardly be Hal's fault?

Again that wasnt even implied in the dialog.

by **God Thundercracker** » Sat May 09, 2009 8:53 pm

Name one time that Batman saved Hal's life. That would be really out of character for batman. And a GL with hal's skill and expertise? I thought you said that Hal was a totally incompetent GL. And notice that nobody else seemed mad at hal.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Sat May 09, 2009 8:58 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:Name one time that Batman saved Hal's life. That would be really out of character for batman.

No, that would be out of character for Sinestro. Just because Batman doesn't like Hal, doesn't mean he's going to let a fellow hero die.

God Thundercracker wrote:And a GL with hal's skill and expertise? I thought you said that Hal was a totally incompetent GL.

No one said Hal was an incompetent GL. And if they did, they were lying.

by **God Thundercracker** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:04 pm

Shadowman wrote:
God Thundercracker wrote:Name one time that Batman saved Hal's life. That would be really out of character for batman.

No, that would be out of character for Sinestro. Just because Batman doesn't like Hal, doesn't mean he's going to let a fellow hero die.

God Thundercracker wrote:And a GL with hal's skill and expertise? I thought you said that Hal was a totally incompetent GL.

No one said Hal was an incompetent GL. And if they did, they were lying.

Then what's all this crap about how a ringless batman could beat Green Lantern Hal jordan?

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sat May 09, 2009 9:13 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:Name one time that Batman saved Hal's life.

All Star Batman and Robin number 9
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Did you really think I couldnt back up my claim???

Next time do some research.

[/quote]That would be really out of character for batman.[/quote]

Proof that you know nothing about Batmans character.

He has saved the life of the man that killed his parents....why would it be out of character to save a team mate???
[/quote] And a GL with hal's skill and expertise? I thought you said that Hal was a totally incompetent GL.[/quote]

I never said that at all.

I have said I dont like Hal, that he was a drunk driver, a pedophile, a mass murderer, had no personaloty and was carless...but I never said he was totally incompetent.

But Hal is one of the Greastet GLs to ever wear a ring.

He learned from the best.

God Thundercracker wrote: And notice that nobody else seemed mad at hal.

Completly irrelivent.Much like this comment you made on April 3rd which you never backed up.

God Thundercracker wrote:I can't stand Batman. Ever since the mid-1990s, he's acted like a spoiled rich boy who thinks he's better than everyone else.

God Thundercracker wrote:
Then what's all this crap about how a ringless batman could beat Green Lantern Hal jordan?

How does that factor into this???

You seem to not be able to make a single point

by **God Thundercracker** » Sun May 10, 2009 1:34 am

All star Batman is a completely diferent continuity. The whole Hal as a drunk driver thing was a retcon that has since been thrown out. And exactly how is Hal a pedophile???

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun May 10, 2009 1:43 am

God Thundercracker wrote:All star Batman is a completely diferent continuity.

It doesnt matter.You asked for one example and I gave it to you.

God Thundercracker wrote: The whole Hal as a drunk driver thing was a retcon that has since been thrown out.

There is no definitive proof that its been retconed out.

God Thundercracker wrote: And exactly how is Hal a pedophile???

Because he was in a relationship with a girl that was barely 15 and is attracted to Supergirl whos 16.

by **God Thundercracker** » Sun May 10, 2009 2:25 am

Are you saying you wouldn't find Supergirl attractive? It's not like Hal did anything with her, he just thought to himself that she looked hot. And if Hal had ever been in a relationship with an underage girl, why didn't the heroes arrest him? What does that say about your precious Batman, that he would teammates with a pedophile? And the drunk driving things was retconed out, because Hal was in jail when he met Sinestro in Emerald Dawn, but in the current GL series, he met Sinestro while flying a plane. And can you provide an example of main continuity Batman saving Hal, because I was talking about the regular continuity, not that ASll Star batman crap.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun May 10, 2009 3:24 am

God Thundercracker wrote:Are you saying you wouldn't find Supergirl attractive? It's not like Hal did anything with her, he just thought to himself that she looked hot.

I'm saying she's was bearly 16 and he was pushing 40.He could bearly controlo himself and the only reason he did was fear that Superman would kill him.

He even kept saying "Remember who her cusin is" over and over again in his mind.

God Thundercracker wrote: And if Hal had ever been in a relationship with an underage girl, why didn't the heroes arrest him?

Why dont you ever do some research????

You talk all this stuff like you know the character[s] but is obvious you dont.

God Thundercracker wrote: What does that say about your precious Batman, that he would teammates with a pedophile?

Actually it says nothing about Batman since they werent team mates at the time.

God Thundercracker wrote:And the drunk driving things was retconed out, because Hal was in jail when he met Sinestro in Emerald Dawn, but in the current GL series, he met Sinestro while flying a plane.

That doesnt preclude similar event from happening.And regardless it doesnt matter.

Being a drunk driver is a part of the characters publication history just as much as Hal being a racist.

Retcons are irrelevant....particularity these days.DC tends to retcon history about every 8 years....sometimes less.

God Thundercracker wrote: And can you provide an example of main continuity Batman saving Hal, because I was talking about the regular continuity,

Right I should waste my time so you can tell me its been retconed.

God Thundercracker wrote: not that ASll Star batman crap.

That Bstman truly hates Hal.....and yet he saved him.

by **God Thundercracker** » Sun May 10, 2009 4:51 pm

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
God Thundercracker wrote:Are you saying you wouldn't find Supergirl attractive? It's not like Hal did anything with her, he just thought to himself that she looked hot.

I'm saying she's was bearly 16 and he was pushing 40.He could bearly controlo himself and the only reason he did was fear that Superman would kill him.

He even kept saying "Remember who her cusin is" over and over again in his mind.

Actually, she is 17, only one year away from being legally an adult. And again, I ask you if you find her attractive?

God Thundercracker wrote: And if Hal had ever been in a relationship with an underage girl, why didn't the heroes arrest him?

Why dont you ever do some research????

Well, was Hal ever arrested for being a pedophile? Do you know something I don't?

You talk all this stuff like you know the character[s] but is obvious you dont.

God Thundercracker wrote: What does that say about your precious Batman, that he would teammates with a pedophile?

Actually it says nothing about Batman since they werent team mates at the time.

They were recently in the JLA together. What does it say about Batman if he would be on a team with someone who has a history of pedophilia? What does it say about the other heroes in the the JLA with Hal? Oh, and back in the early 90's, there was a scene in JLI where batman actually asked Hal to join the team.

God Thundercracker wrote:And the drunk driving things was retconed out, because Hal was in jail when he met Sinestro in Emerald Dawn, but in the current GL series, he met Sinestro while flying a plane.

That doesnt preclude similar event from happening.And regardless it doesnt matter.

Being a drunk driver is a part of the characters publication history just as much as Hal being a racist.

How is Hal a racist? And by your logic, DC could make Batman a drunk driver at some point in the future if they wanted to.

Retcons are irrelevant....particularity these days.DC tends to retcon history about every 8 years....sometimes less.

Right, so Hal's history, which you bring up constantly, doesn't really matter, does it?

God Thundercracker wrote: And can you provide an example of main continuity Batman saving Hal, because I was talking about the regular continuity,

Right I should waste my time so you can tell me its been retconed.

That's because you can't think of one example. Batman would never lift a finger to save hal Jordan.

God Thundercracker wrote: not that ASll Star batman crap.

That Bstman truly hates Hal.....and yet he saved him.

All-Star Batman doesn't hate hal, he hardly knows the guy. He just thinks Hal is dumb.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Sun May 10, 2009 5:12 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:
God Thundercracker wrote:Are you saying you wouldn't find Supergirl attractive? It's not like Hal did anything with her, he just thought to himself that she looked hot.

I'm saying she's was bearly 16 and he was pushing 40.He could bearly controlo himself and the only reason he did was fear that Superman would kill him.

He even kept saying "Remember who her cusin is" over and over again in his mind.

Actually, she is 17, only one year away from being legally an adult. And again, I ask you if you find her attractive?

God Thundercracker wrote: And if Hal had ever been in a relationship with an underage girl, why didn't the heroes arrest him?

Why dont you ever do some research????

Well, was Hal ever arrested for being a pedophile? Do you know something I don't?

You talk all this stuff like you know the character[s] but is obvious you dont.

God Thundercracker wrote: What does that say about your precious Batman, that he would teammates with a pedophile?

Actually it says nothing about Batman since they werent team mates at the time.

They were recently in the JLA together. What does it say about Batman if he would be on a team with someone who has a history of pedophilia? What does it say about the other heroes in the the JLA with Hal? Oh, and back in the early 90's, there was a scene in JLI where batman actually asked Hal to join the team.

God Thundercracker wrote:And the drunk driving things was retconed out, because Hal was in jail when he met Sinestro in Emerald Dawn, but in the current GL series, he met Sinestro while flying a plane.

That doesnt preclude similar event from happening.And regardless it doesnt matter.

Being a drunk driver is a part of the characters publication history just as much as Hal being a racist.

How is Hal a racist? And by your logic, DC could make Batman a drunk driver at some point in the future if they wanted to.

Retcons are irrelevant....particularity these days.DC tends to retcon history about every 8 years....sometimes less.

Right, so Hal's history, which you bring up constantly, doesn't really matter, does it?

God Thundercracker wrote: And can you provide an example of main continuity Batman saving Hal, because I was talking about the regular continuity,

Right I should waste my time so you can tell me its been retconed.

That's because you can't think of one example. Batman would never lift a finger to save hal Jordan.

God Thundercracker wrote: not that ASll Star batman crap.

That Bstman truly hates Hal.....and yet he saved him.

All-Star Batman doesn't hate hal, he hardly knows the guy. He just thinks Hal is dumb.

Are you even reading the book???

by **God Thundercracker** » Tue May 12, 2009 11:39 pm

Yeah, I have read All-Star Batman. I would never buy a Batman book, but I have flipped through it at the comic store just so I could laugh at how bad it was.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed May 13, 2009 12:19 am

God Thundercracker wrote:Yeah, I have read All-Star Batman. I would never buy a Batman book, but I have flipped through it at the comic store just so I could laugh at how bad it was.

No wonder you cant back up any of the claims you've made about the characters since you started this topic.

You cant get a real feel for a book or the characters within from just "flipping through" a book while at the comic shop.

And its also interesting that the book you call "so bad you can laugh at it" All Star Batman and Robin issues regularly topped DC Comics' highest-selling chart each month its released.

And for the record.....the last issue of All Star Batman and Robin, released in September\November, made an estimate of $94,030.

That same months issue Green Lantern only sold an estimate of $63,807.

That same mounths issue of GL Coprs only sold an estimate of $44,926.

So what you call a bad book is outselling both Green Lantern titles.

by **God Thundercracker** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:24 pm

Just because a book sells well doesn't mean it's good. Countless people have complained about how bad All-Star Batman is. If you don't believe me, go visit the DC message boards or comicbloc. It just goes to show how dumb a lot of people are, that they will continue to buy something they don't like. And believe me, I was able to get a pretty good feel for the All-Star version of Batman. He's basically everything I dislike about the regular Batman times 100. I know you've got some kind of man-crush on Batman, and that's okay. But don't expect everyone to love him.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed May 13, 2009 7:48 pm

God Thundercracker wrote:Just because a book sells well doesn't mean it's good.

It speaks to the books popularity.

Just as the fact that Hal hasnt been able to maintaine sales as a character for more then 8 years strait with out getting he books canceled in the last 35 years speeks to his popularity..

God Thundercracker wrote: Countless people have complained about how bad All-Star Batman is.

And countless people talk about how great All star Batman is.

Countless people also complain abou how Hal has no personalty.

And some people dont like ice-cream.

So whats your point????Other then to prove your ignorance and completely 1 sided opinion on this debate.

God Thundercracker wrote:. It just goes to show how dumb a lot of people are,

Or how ignorant you are to imply that others have bad taste if they dont agree with your assement of the book or character.

God Thundercracker wrote: I know you've got some kind of man-crush on Batman, and that's okay. But don't expect everyone to love him.

Then you have no understanding about me at all.

News Credits: 2 · by **Shadowman** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:38 pm

Sto, at some point you're going to realize that arguing with him as as effective as arguing with a brick wall. Except this brick wall uses logical fallacies, name-calling, and criticizes things he's never seen or read.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Wed May 13, 2009 8:42 pm

Shadowman wrote:Sto, at some point you're going to realize that arguing with him as as effective as arguing with a brick wall. Except this brick wall uses logical fallacies, name-calling, and criticizes things he's never seen or read.

Ohhh I realize it already.....I just intend to see this brick wall fall.

by **Tristar** » Thu May 14, 2009 12:26 pm

Said part about it is that Batman not matter which one has far more Willpower and skill than Hal. And would make a far better GL.

Sto-va-kor could you provide some documented evidence of Hal being Racist. I'm not trying to assist God Thundercracker I just didn't know he was.

News Credits: 1 · by **sto_vo_kor_2000** » Thu May 14, 2009 2:16 pm

Tristar wrote:Said part about it is that Batman not matter which one has far more Willpower and skill than Hal. And would make a far better GL.

Sto-va-kor could you provide some documented evidence of Hal being Racist. I'm not trying to assist God Thundercracker I just didn't know he was.

Saying he was a "Racist" was a bit strong a word to use I'll admit.

But he did show what was culturally known as "Bigot" traits durring the 70's.He seemed like a young "Archie Bunker" with powers.

Trying to give you documitation of it all would be pretty hard since it was a lot of little things that were spread out over many stories and not something that was "right out there" in your face.

He was once pretty much called a bigot by one of the Guardians when Hal voiced oppostion to the training of John Steward..

And there are a few stories where he took actions similar to the scans I'll post in a second.

A basic rundown is this story took place durring the 70's and at the time they were trying to tell more "social" stories.Basicly Hal comes on the scene of a "Slum lord" whos being confronted by one oh his tenants he's throwing out.

Hal, instead of trying to determin whats going on sides with the white business man

And this is taken from a scene where a Old Black man confronts Hal about how he works for Blue skinned perople and has helped other color skinned people on different worlds but has done nothing to help black skinned people on earth.