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Absolute Zero wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:Just because of % of population, far more white people are killed by police every years.

Citation needed.

Are you being closed minded like a sealed oyster buried in concrete on purpose?

3.5 seconds Google search:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/585 ... e-by-race/

Another source, this time broke down to the atomic level:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

If this can't satisfy you, nothing ever will and you'll be lost in your fantasy world forever. That is, until reality catch up to you.

Couple of facts for you.

A black man in the U.S. has an estimated 1 in 1,000 chance of being killed by police during his lifetime, according to a paper out today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. That’s 2.5 times the odds for a non-Hispanic white man, the authors find.

Black women are 1.4 times more likely than white women to be killed by police. Men overall are 20 times more likely than women to be killed by police, according to the paper.

Young adults are generally more likely than older people to be killed violently – something called the age-victimization curve – and that holds true when it comes to police use of deadly force. Across race and gender, very few people over age 60 are killed by police, the paper finds. The odds for everyone spike from age 20 to 35. For black people, the odds stay higher longer.

“40-year-old black men are at about the same risk as 25-year-old white men,” says Frank Edwards, an assistant professor at Rutgers University’s School of Criminal Justice and one of the paper’s authors. “So the risk for African Americans is following a really different pattern. The risk that black men and women face persist, and they’re comparable to the highest rates of risk for white people at a younger age.”

-https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/killed-police-black-men-likely-white-men/

Police custody deaths for G7 developed countries:

US: 12/100,000 arrests
Australia: 5/100,000 arrests
UK: 2/100,000 arrests

Police related fatal shootings:
US: 31/10 million
Germany: 11/10 million
australia: 8/10 million
Sweden: 6/10 million
UK: <1/10 million
New Zealand: 2/10 million

Arrest rates total:
US: 3/100 people
Australia: 2/100
UK: 1/100

US Black vs. White violent police encounters:
Black: 273/100,000
White: 76/100,000

-https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/us-police-floyd-protests-country-comparisons-intl/index.html

Population of US by race:

White alone: 76.5%
Black : 13.4%

-https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045219

Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.

-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

Those speak for themselves

So, what's this? A morbid competition?

Here's an idea. How about fixing the real issues instead of just focusing on race alone?
Oh yeah, looking at all the shades of gray instead of just focusing on the pure white or pure black aspects is against the Narrative.

And if the problems are never fixed, the mindless populace are kept under control while the big shots keep on raking in the dough.

But eh, wanting black people to cast off their chains is a "Far Right" idea in current year. Gotta love this timeline.

-Kanrabat- wrote:So, what's this? A morbid competition?

Here's an idea. How about fixing the real issues instead of just focusing on race alone?
Oh yeah, looking at all the shades of gray instead of just focusing on the pure white or pure black aspects is against the Narrative.

And if the problems are never fixed, the mindless populace are kept under control while the big shots keep on raking in the dough.

But eh, wanting black people to cast off their chains is a "Far Right" idea in current year. Gotta love this timeline.

That's why Black Lives Matter focuses on:

SYSTEMIC RACISM
MASS INCARCERATION
DEFUNDING THE POLICE

And more! It's never been about Black vs. White - that's just what your corner of the alt right internet chooses to focus on in order to discredit the movement and this moment. The only person here talking about Black vs. White is you.

The whole point is focusing on larger issues. But you have to contort yourself into pretzels to ignore that fact. The only folks trying to foment a race war are the white supremacists with whom you guzzle red pills.

megatronus wrote:SYSTEMIC RACISM

That right there is the biggest issue that needs to be fixed.

It's not a race war.

It's literally stopping a few from being targeted for trouble. If those statistics didn't make it clear that we have a racism problem, one that's long standing, I don't know what to tell you.

also, on this same note, I commend my personal favorite sport for making a stand and finally doing something they should have done a long time ago:



https://twitter.com/NASCAR/status/1270819350644211719

"Systemic Racism" is a myth. I'm not debating this because it's too complicated and even if I'd post a 5 minutes video, you will ignore it.

Mass incarceration is a serious and disgusting problem. That need to be fixed for sure because too many persons go to prison for offences that would never deserve that. Prisons are a LUCRATIVE INDUSTRIES and it's damn appalling.

As for "defund the police", it's the most stupid, we-tawd idea ever. Because right now, you can see the results in the Chaz.
Also, as a Québécois, I can look back at the History of my own people to see what a city with no police can become. It happened back in 1969 in Montreal. The Murray Hills riots. The police was on strike. COMPLETELY. So the Night of Terror happened. It's a pretty fascinating story:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray-Hill_riot

The TlDr version and a 5 minutes news report of the time:
https://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/1969- ... -of-terror

-Kanrabat- wrote:"Systemic Racism" is a myth.

**** me ... I've seen some dumb **** posted on this site over the years, that one's right up there.

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:"Systemic Racism" is a myth.

**** me ... I've seen some dumb **** posted on this site over the years, that one's right up there.

"Systemic" mean that it's written in the books. It's not.
I'll let someone else explain:



And someone else:



But eh, go on lolololing. It take effort to listen to actual academics and experienced people. Guess those black voices don't matter.
Because it's just "dumb sh!t".

Eww, Dave Rubin

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Couple of facts for you.

A black man in the U.S. has an estimated 1 in 1,000 chance of being killed by police during his lifetime, according to a paper out today in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. That’s 2.5 times the odds for a non-Hispanic white man, the authors find.

Black women are 1.4 times more likely than white women to be killed by police. Men overall are 20 times more likely than women to be killed by police, according to the paper.

Young adults are generally more likely than older people to be killed violently – something called the age-victimization curve – and that holds true when it comes to police use of deadly force. Across race and gender, very few people over age 60 are killed by police, the paper finds. The odds for everyone spike from age 20 to 35. For black people, the odds stay higher longer.

“40-year-old black men are at about the same risk as 25-year-old white men,” says Frank Edwards, an assistant professor at Rutgers University’s School of Criminal Justice and one of the paper’s authors. “So the risk for African Americans is following a really different pattern. The risk that black men and women face persist, and they’re comparable to the highest rates of risk for white people at a younger age.”

-https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/killed-police-black-men-likely-white-men/

Police custody deaths for G7 developed countries:

US: 12/100,000 arrests
Australia: 5/100,000 arrests
UK: 2/100,000 arrests

Police related fatal shootings:
US: 31/10 million
Germany: 11/10 million
australia: 8/10 million
Sweden: 6/10 million
UK: <1/10 million
New Zealand: 2/10 million

Arrest rates total:
US: 3/100 people
Australia: 2/100
UK: 1/100

US Black vs. White violent police encounters:
Black: 273/100,000
White: 76/100,000

-https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/08/us/us-police-floyd-protests-country-comparisons-intl/index.html

Population of US by race:

White alone: 76.5%
Black : 13.4%

-https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/PST045219

Victims were majority white (52%) but disproportionately black (32%) with a fatality rate 2.8 times higher among blacks than whites. Most victims were reported to be armed (83%); however, black victims were more likely to be unarmed (14.8%) than white (9.4%) or Hispanic (5.8%) victims.

-https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6080222/

Those speak for themselves

Yeah those are some disturbing stats. It would be useful if there was a way to determine who was actually responsible for each and every one of those incidences. I'm 100% behind reforming police culture, but I have a hard time believing that every single 1 of those was the fault of the police.

As for "systemic racism," I believe it exists in the legal system and every participant is culpable of it, from the perps to the judges to the people running the prisons. It's all a big money-making scam, much like wars are for the military-industrial complex.

So I see we've come to the anti abortion part of ALM movement.

If you believe all lives matter and are anti abortion are you in favor of (a list in no particular order):

Expanding welfare? (poor people with kiddos need to be fed)

Paid maternity/paternity leave? (the first 6 months to a year are key time in a childs development)

Free Healthcare? (someone's gotta help mama pop all them babies out)

LGBTQ adoption? (Unwanted kids need love too)

Big Brother/Big Sister volunteering? (If you got time to argue on the internet, you got time to support a kid)

Sex Education in schools? (People would have less if they didn't think they came from storks and a sky god)

Free State University Education? (Those kids are going to need jobs when they get older)

Expanding current k-12 education? (Getting them kids to school and helping them be smarter than us, no matter if they're in the city or come from a 10m$ mansion)

Expanding mental health care in schools? (Moar counselors)

Better pay for teachers? (Teachers get paid less and then have to use their own money for school supplies for their classes)

Better funding for k-12 schools? (Teachers should not have to use their own money to pay for supplies for their classes)

Gun control (#1 cause of death from suicide, if you honestly cared about all lives, you would be for this)

Higher federal minimum wages? (We could help people on welfare if jobs paid better)

Capping executive pay to 25% company profits, with 65% going to workers? (Again, better pay to help take care of people and the children they're popping out)

Expanding and enhancing social programs, such as AA? (Have you dealt with kids, sometimes mamma just needs to knock back a few fifths with some zantacs, wait, that's not the point of this one... shyte... uh... Drugs are bad, m'kay, and this will help people kick habits and keep them out of prisons and keep families together)

Capping rent? (Nothing like having a pay raise, then having your rent go up and swallow that up)

I had more to add to this list, but I don't want to hit the character limit, and lets face it. You're about as likely to read (and understand) it as I am of winning a million dollars.

Oh, and for someone who's all about using the internet for knowledge, you should know defund the police doesn't mean get rid of the police. It means cutting back their funding and using it for things that will cut back on the need to have police called in the first place, like giving kids in high school more after school programs to participate in so they don't get wrapped up in gang violence.

As for disbanding the police, this also happened: https://www.mcall.com/news/pennsylvania ... story.html

- Her Most Radiant Magesty, AZ, Queen of France

High Command wrote:*checks notes*

So according to the last few posts:

White people who say racism exists and is bad are the real racists.

Black lives matter protesters really don't care about black people because abortions or whatever the video was about.

The only racists are the people protesting racism and the people who oppose black lives matter are the only non-racists.

I think that's the impression you're trying to convey anyway.

I call those distractions from the point which is plain and simple. Black people do not deserve to be slaughtered in the streets by agents of the state. That is the very clear and simple point that some of you are having difficulty with. All the rest showing concern for everything under the sun except the lives of black people ks precisely why this movement is occuring.

I said that BLM the movement and many of the protestors do not seem to care about black lives.

The video I posted along with my other links earlier makes this clear.

BLM is about exposing and eliminating the systemic racism that threatens the lives and livelihood of blacks.

Yet, when an actual systemic source of racism is pointed out, Planned Parenthood, BLM and many within do nothing.

Also for gammons to lose their shyte over.

https://www.thecut.com/2020/06/whats-go ... -zone.html Police abandoned the area, expecting it to go to hell. Worst thing there is there is 6$ hot dogs. But free water and free snacks. Oh, and free movie/poetry readings in the streets.

It's like a hippie commune in the middle of Seattle.

And Trump wants to send in the army.

Absolute Zero wrote:So I see we've come to the anti abortion part of ALM movement.

If you believe all lives matter and are anti abortion are you in favor of (a list in no particular order):

Expanding welfare? (poor people with kiddos need to be fed)

Paid maternity/paternity leave? (the first 6 months to a year are key time in a childs development)

Free Healthcare? (someone's gotta help mama pop all them babies out)

LGBTQ adoption? (Unwanted kids need love too)

Big Brother/Big Sister volunteering? (If you got time to argue on the internet, you got time to support a kid)

Sex Education in schools? (People would have less if they didn't think they came from storks and a sky god)

Free State University Education? (Those kids are going to need jobs when they get older)

Expanding current k-12 education? (Getting them kids to school and helping them be smarter than us, no matter if they're in the city or come from a 10m$ mansion)

Expanding mental health care in schools? (Moar counselors)

Better pay for teachers? (Teachers get paid less and then have to use their own money for school supplies for their classes)

Better funding for k-12 schools? (Teachers should not have to use their own money to pay for supplies for their classes)

Gun control (#1 cause of death from suicide, if you honestly cared about all lives, you would be for this)

Higher federal minimum wages? (We could help people on welfare if jobs paid better)

Capping executive pay to 25% company profits, with 65% going to workers? (Again, better pay to help take care of people and the children they're popping out)

Expanding and enhancing social programs, such as AA? (Have you dealt with kids, sometimes mamma just needs to knock back a few fifths with some zantacs, wait, that's not the point of this one... shyte... uh... Drugs are bad, m'kay, and this will help people kick habits and keep them out of prisons and keep families together)

Capping rent? (Nothing like having a pay raise, then having your rent go up and swallow that up)

I had more to add to this list, but I don't want to hit the character limit, and lets face it. You're about as likely to read (and understand) it as I am of winning a million dollars.

Why is the value of life conditional on these things?

Absolute Zero wrote:Also for gammons to lose their shyte over.

https://www.thecut.com/2020/06/whats-go ... -zone.html Police abandoned the area, expecting it to go to hell. Worst thing there is there is 6$ hot dogs. But free water and free snacks. Oh, and free movie/poetry readings in the streets.

It's like a hippie commune in the middle of Seattle.

And Trump wants to send in the army.

A hippie commune that took over property that is not theirs, who extort the local business to get "free stuff", all ruled by a warlord.

Why don't you go take a vacation over there? Be sure to bring the kids!

Also...



Man, I need more popcorn.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Absolute Zero wrote:Also for gammons to lose their shyte over.

https://www.thecut.com/2020/06/whats-go ... -zone.html Police abandoned the area, expecting it to go to hell. Worst thing there is there is 6$ hot dogs. But free water and free snacks. Oh, and free movie/poetry readings in the streets.

It's like a hippie commune in the middle of Seattle.

And Trump wants to send in the army.

A hippie commune that took over property that is not theirs, who extort the local business to get "free stuff", all ruled by a warlord.

Why don't you go take a vacation over there? Be sure to bring the kids!

Also...



Man, I need more popcorn.

Mm, love how these right-wing sources jumping on that news about the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone people """extorting""" local businesses all conveniently leave out that those stories were retracted due to the fact that it wasn't true.

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Mm, love how these right-wing sources jumping on that news about the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone people """extorting""" local businesses all conveniently leave out that those stories were retracted due to the fact that it wasn't true.

If you could drop your "wings" for a second, no one have definitive proof. But if there's a group of thugs, armed thugs invading your place, you'll have no choice but to "willfully cooperate".

Also, do you think that the Chaz have anything to do with BLM?

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Mm, love how these right-wing sources jumping on that news about the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone people """extorting""" local businesses all conveniently leave out that those stories were retracted due to the fact that it wasn't true.

If you could drop your "wings" for a second, no one have definitive proof. But if there's a group of thugs, armed thugs invading your place, you'll have no choice but to "willfully cooperate".

Also, do you think that the Chaz have anything to do with BLM?

Ah yes, Tim Pool, always a reliable source, definitely capable of reading more than the headline of an article, not at all a spineless grifter.

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ah yes, Tim Pool, always a reliable source, definitely capable of reading more than the headline of an article, not at all a spineless grifter.

At least you're honest with the fact that you have absolutely no arguments.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ah yes, Tim Pool, always a reliable source, definitely capable of reading more than the headline of an article, not at all a spineless grifter.

At least you're honest with the fact that you have absolutely no arguments.

Correct.

Dismissing right wing propagandists isn't so much an argument as the right thing to do.

megatronus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ah yes, Tim Pool, always a reliable source, definitely capable of reading more than the headline of an article, not at all a spineless grifter.

At least you're honest with the fact that you have absolutely no arguments.

Correct.

Dismissing right wing propagandists isn't so much an argument as the right thing to do.

^ This.

megatronus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ah yes, Tim Pool, always a reliable source, definitely capable of reading more than the headline of an article, not at all a spineless grifter.

At least you're honest with the fact that you have absolutely no arguments.

Correct.

Dismissing right wing propagandists isn't so much an argument as the right thing to do.

So for you, Tim Pool is a "right wing propagandist."
As expected.

For your kind, there's only your "righteous" Left bubble VS the "Evil Far Right". Might as well try to argue with a hardcore Christian creationist that evolution is a thing.

Oh well, sooner or later, you will "commit a sin" and those whom you thought were your friends and allies will come for your blood to "excommunicate" you. When this will happen, you're welcome to come over for a chat over a beer.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

megatronus wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ah yes, Tim Pool, always a reliable source, definitely capable of reading more than the headline of an article, not at all a spineless grifter.

At least you're honest with the fact that you have absolutely no arguments.

Correct.

Dismissing right wing propagandists isn't so much an argument as the right thing to do.

So for you, Tim Pool is a "right wing propagandist."

what else are we supposed to call someone who pretty much exclusively pushes far-right talking points

-Kanrabat- wrote:For your kind,