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My freinds and I thought this up a while back, so who would win in an all out war.

Veiw this for an intro to the story for it:
http://www.youtube.com/user/Shmook1#p/a/u/0/nHdp8rvSQPU

I vote for Halo, but LOTR has trolls that require some heavy firepower to take care of.

Kingdom Hearts has Final Fantasy characters, which gives it a big leg up...but those characters are typically nerfed. So yeah, I gotta go with Halo on this one. The Covenant just needs to glass the planet, or the UNSC just needs to drop a few nukes and boom we're done.

Halo has firepower and superweapons, Kingdom Hearts has heroes and the abillity to spawn Heartless from any darkened area, and Lord of the Rings has magic and creatures. I have to lean towards Lord of the Rings because of the Dragons and magic.

Thebirdman wrote:Halo has firepower and superweapons, Kingdom Hearts has heroes and the abillity to spawn Heartless from any darkened area, and Lord of the Rings has magic and creatures. I have to lean towards Lord of the Rings because of the Dragons and magic.

Unfortunately, Dragons and magic are no match for an orbital bombardment of high-heat plasma weapons (See Glassing) and/or nuclear warheads. Or if they want to get really ballsy, the Flood.

I would like to point out, however, that the Halo world has quite the vulnerability to the Darkness, in dark body armor, confined craft in space, a Heartless disaster waiting to happen, plus not really anything that they have will be effective against Heartless and Nobodies, I foresee a rough ride for the UNSC and Covenant, those prophet things will fall to the darkness in their wont for power.

Remember this is a 3 way battle, so if Heartless take out the orbital support it would be a land/air/sea battle.

tobiax wrote:I would like to point out, however, that the Halo world has quite the vulnerability to the Darkness, in dark body armor, confined craft in space, a Heartless disaster waiting to happen, plus not really anything that they have will be effective against Heartless and Nobodies, I foresee a rough ride for the UNSC and Covenant, those prophet things will fall to the darkness in their wont for power.

Not really. Neither the UNSC nor the Covenant make a habit of leaving their ships in total darkness. In Halo 1, both the Pillar of Autumn and the Truth and Reconciliation were well-lit. Forward Unto Dawn was only dark because it was split in half in a Slipspace accident.

As for the Prophets "fall to the darkness in their wont for power" (And who talks like that?) you may remember they had tried no less than three times (Alpha Halo, Delta Halo and the Ark) to blow up the entire goddamn Galaxy. Had the Arbiter and Master Chief not been informed by Penitent Tangent and Guilty Spark, they would have succeeded.

That said, Sephiroth casts Meteor, end game for Kingdom Hearts and LotR. Not so much end game for the guys sitting in space, though.

Thebirdman wrote:Remember this is a 3 way battle, so if Heartless take out the orbital support it would be a land/air/sea battle.

In which case it's still a massacre. We dropped nukes long before we ever went into space, remember that.

Shadowman, I promised myself I would not support KH(Sorry Tobiax)but, just to contradict you(Nothing personal...) it is very hard to light every sq.cm. of a space ship(Forgive me Halo)
...I need a moment

Shadowman wrote:

tobiax wrote:I would like to point out, however, that the Halo world has quite the vulnerability to the Darkness, in dark body armor, confined craft in space, a Heartless disaster waiting to happen, plus not really anything that they have will be effective against Heartless and Nobodies, I foresee a rough ride for the UNSC and Covenant, those prophet things will fall to the darkness in their wont for power.

Not really. Neither the UNSC nor the Covenant make a habit of leaving their ships in total darkness. In Halo 1, both the Pillar of Autumn and the Truth and Reconciliation were well-lit. Forward Unto Dawn was only dark because it was split in half in a Slipspace accident.

As for the Prophets "fall to the darkness in their wont for power" (And who talks like that?) you may remember they had tried no less than three times (Alpha Halo, Delta Halo and the Ark) to blow up the entire goddamn Galaxy. Had the Arbiter and Master Chief not been informed by Penitent Tangent and Guilty Spark, they would have succeeded.

That said, Sephiroth casts Meteor, end game for Kingdom Hearts and LotR. Not so much end game for the guys sitting in space, though.

Heartless work by finding an evil heart and eventually sapping it and taking it for their own use. Thus "fall to the darkness in their wont for power" means that Covenant leaders would eventually destroy themselves by opening their hearts to the darkness. LotR may not have space but I do belive Kingdom Hearts has a counter in the form of gummi ships.

Gummi Ships couldn't beat Banshees without a numbers advantage, not obscene, maybe 1.3 to 1 depending, although I'm no KH expert, but I enjoy Gummi Ship fights there are a large number of good weapons.

P.S. "fall to the darkness in their wont for power" is ye olde english Shadowman, its more refined than "They would go all evil n' stuff 'cause they like want power." see my point?

Thebirdman wrote:Heartless work by finding an evil heart and eventually sapping it and taking it for their own use. Thus "fall to the darkness in their wont for power" means that Covenant leaders would eventually destroy themselves by opening their hearts to the darkness.

Who exactly decides what's evil? Evil is relative. From a human being's perspective, what the Covenant was doing was evil, sure, but from their own it was the right thing.

Shadowman wrote:

Thebirdman wrote:Heartless work by finding an evil heart and eventually sapping it and taking it for their own use. Thus "fall to the darkness in their wont for power" means that Covenant leaders would eventually destroy themselves by opening their hearts to the darkness.

Who exactly decides what's evil? Evil is relative. From a human being's perspective, what the Covenant was doing was evil, sure, but from their own it was the right thing.

Yes but they find darkness which is true evil from a neutral standpoint

Heartless in the games can find any corrupted thing, and all beings can be corrupt in their heart. Even the pure of heart weren't safe. But back to the battle, LotR has a great close range advantage. Though the others are more balanced with range with tanks or snipers, Trolls and Ents can roll and smash vheicles and take a beating.

Thebirdman wrote:Heartless...LotR...take a beating.

I love taking things out of context.Ok, Halo has the range and technology bonuses, KH has...,and LOTR has Trolls n' such.

UNSC Marine wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

Thebirdman wrote:Heartless work by finding an evil heart and eventually sapping it and taking it for their own use. Thus "fall to the darkness in their wont for power" means that Covenant leaders would eventually destroy themselves by opening their hearts to the darkness.

Who exactly decides what's evil? Evil is relative. From a human being's perspective, what the Covenant was doing was evil, sure, but from their own it was the right thing.

DARKNESS! Don't act all detatched Shadowman, all you're saying is

Shadowman wrote:we'd nuke 'em

that doesn't make any sense, that would only make a ground for goblins, orks, trolls, and Heartless to thrive in. I foresee that the Halo-ites would gravely underestimate the other forces, go for a land battle and get cut to peices

UNSC Marine wrote:

Thebirdman wrote:Heartless...LotR...take a beating.

I love taking things out of context.Ok, Halo has the range and technology bonuses, KH has...,and LOTR has Trolls n' such.

Kingdom Hearts has......... KINGDOM HEARTS!
And, if one being of Darkness can become a varitable Bio-Flying-Fortress, others can as well, imagine; Replicas of Kingdom Xehanort's Heartless, Dragons of Naught, the Celcius, Highwind, The Intraspace Pirate Ship, and the poor Halo fleet caught in the crossfire, sorounded by the darkness of space even the most hevily armored craft would fall to the Heartless,

"Halo-ites" have radar and "newfangled flyin' contraptions" which can perform a quick recon and chop 'em down with a missle or two here and a quick M-Gun flyby there. Begrudgingly I have to accept that KH and LOTR have some things that can take out ground troops. A couple of dragons and/or eagles could take down from light air support to a Pelican. I already said what gummi's could do, but The Flood and Heartless help the tide in their universe's favor. I'm trying for a neutral standpoint...is it working?

UNSC Marine wrote:"Halo-ites" have radar and "newfangled flyin' contraptions" which can perform a quick recon and chop 'em down with a missle or two here and a quick M-Gun flyby there. Begrudgingly I have to accept that KH and LOTR have some things that can take out ground troops. A couple of dragons and/or eagles could take down from light air support to a Pelican. I already said what gummi's could do, but The Flood and Heartless help the tide in their universe's favor. I'm trying for a neutral standpoint...is it working?

No, because after Halo beings suffer a greivous defeat, the Kingdom and Gondorian Forces will team up to slay the remaining orcs and Heartless, the Door will be sealed, and (40/60) the dimensional rift will return to normal,

tobiax wrote:

UNSC Marine wrote:

Thebirdman wrote:Heartless...LotR...take a beating.

I love taking things out of context.Ok, Halo has the range and technology bonuses, KH has...,and LOTR has Trolls n' such.

Kingdom Hearts has......... KINGDOM HEARTS!
And, if one being of Darkness can become a varitable Bio-Flying-Fortress, others can as well, imagine; Replicas of Kingdom Xehanort's Heartless, Dragons of Naught, the Celcius, Highwind, The Intraspace Pirate Ship, and the poor Halo fleet caught in the crossfire, sorounded by the darkness of space even the most hevily armored craft would fall to the Heartless,

The dots meant no offense to KH I just don't know too much about KH...and if in battle KH would say "awwww look at the poor Halo fleet" it may be the last thing they say. MAC Blasts would kill them before they could wonder what was fired at them not to get into the "nuke 'em" point of view but The Dawn is 457ft. long armed with a mac cannon 50 archer missile pods 30 missiles per pod, 3 nukes, and 4 dual 50mm point defense guns.

Th "Bio SHip of Darkness" counts as it's own dimension, with that much darkness around, it would regenerate, Heartless would pour into a ship and convert it into something of their own, the raw Heart seaking instinct of the Heartless would lead to their victory in a space battle

KH would have a very good space fleet and in its own dimension the "Bio Ship of Darkness" would prevent most craft from moving in its field, but tracking missles would even the odds. In a space battle it would be like hitting two rocks together, a lot of noise and smoke but I dont think it would end in any short time, but in the air Giant Eagles and Fellbeasts could change the outcome of this.

tobiax wrote:

Shadowman wrote:we'd nuke 'em

that doesn't make any sense, that would only make a ground for goblins, orks, trolls, and Heartless to thrive in. I foresee that the Halo-ites would gravely underestimate the other forces, go for a land battle and get cut to peices[/quote]

To thrive in? Bull. Nothing can survive in the radioactive wasteland resulting from nuclear bombardment. There wouldn't even be any bodies at ground zero (Ground Zeroes?) because they would have been vaporized. Whatever is left has to survive with a toxic environment.

Shadowman wrote:

tobiax wrote:

Shadowman wrote:we'd nuke 'em

that doesn't make any sense, that would only make a ground for goblins, orks, trolls, and Heartless to thrive in. I foresee that the Halo-ites would gravely underestimate the other forces, go for a land battle and get cut to peices

To thrive in? Bull. Nothing can survive in the radioactive wasteland resulting from nuclear bombardment. There wouldn't even be any bodies at ground zero (Ground Zeroes?) because they would have been vaporized. Whatever is left has to survive with a toxic environment.[/quote]

Heartless can and orcs do, It's like fighting an anemy by building and abandoning fronteir bases

Ok within the blast radius all orcs and heartless are ahnialated with authority. Orcs, yes, could thrive there. I have never been a huge fan of KH but I know Mickey Mouse would make a cool combat form and Sora/Roxas ain't gonna kill a Tank(pure form) too easily. None of the Heroes in LOTR and KH would even see who or what killed them, ah snipers!