Insurgent wrote:God Sunstreaker wrote:Insurgent wrote: Firstly, the Cardassian/Romulan assault showed no damage to the surface because they were infiltrated by a shapeshifter which tipped off the Dominion, so there was nothing on the planet to show damage. But season6/7 of DS9 (which takes place in TNG era as the war is mentioned in Insurrection and First Contact in a season 5 ep of DS9) shows that the Klingons, Romulans and Federation can work together to fight the greater evil. If we are talking TNG Borg, then they will prove to be a match for tf ships (they would be able to assimalate the tf's as it's not just organics they assimilate, they go after the technological just as effectively). Yes, they don't adapt to projectile weapons like (photon) torpedoes, but their ships can self heal. Quickly. (TNG ep "Q-Who") They adapt their weapons to penetrate shields (same ep) and the cubes are a few kilometers across. Couple that with the fact that they could use a tractor beam to scoop the entire tf outposts off the planet surface and leave them floating in space, useless (see TNG ep "Best of Both Worlds").
Klingons do not always fight with melee weapons. They prefer to, but they will just as easily pull out a disruptor or a really big gun and shoot. If the Trek species pulled together all of their ships, they could decimate the few tf planets.
You're funny.
The card/rom insistent can't be used to show that a bombardment is useful because there was no damage...so it doesn't matter how or why nothing was shown. The point is, nothing was shown
Yeah...they can't work together...but the borg can't work the the other groups. Auto Gen specifically said the borg were the early TNG borg and not the voyager borg. So there is conflict within the allies. Also...you haven't said how the feds and friends are any match for the tf ships and forces.
The borg ships can only self heal if they have time to heal. TF ships won't give them the time. And tf ship guns are strong enough that the borg won't be able to adapt to them.
The borg also can't assimilate robot life...they were never show to, and they failed to assimilate Data. So they can't do it.
The borg never scooped up any cities or settlements with tractor beams. That one reference you're thinking of was a hole in the ground made by borg weapons. Unfortunately we don't know how long it took for the borg ship to do that. On the other hand we have an accurate account of how fast an Autobot ship can vaporize rock that size, and it's pretty close to instantaneous.
Klingons will not "just as easily" pull out a gun and shoot their enemy. When they attacked DS9 they were all about melee, so much so that a pregnant Kira beat the crap out of one. It was sad.
I still don't see where you can come up with your conclusion that by pulling all the trek fleets together that trek will decimate tf planets.
The only planet killers trek has are out...it's one shot tech that was lost after it was used. The ships have to get in striking distance of Cybertron or one of the colonies, which they can't. Cybertron is mobile so they don't know where it is...and the tf ships are too strong.
Example, the Ark is bigger than a borg cube and it can cut one in half in a few seconds of sustained laser fire. It would take hours for a trek ship to do any significant damage to the Ark. And unfortunately for trek ships the Ark is going to shoot back destroying whatever ship it hits in a second or two. And the borg are too stupid to send multiple ships against a superior foe, and the tf's can definitely handle one cube at a time.
Not that the tf's care....there are no trek races anymore. Megaron killed them.....cause he went back in time. Then Unicron ate all the planets for good measure.
Transformers are just too insanely powerful.
And you clearly haven't seen Star Trek, or you don't pay attention. Kira isn't pregnant at that time, the Klingons do fire weapons (maybe not in that instance, but they have done on too many times to count) and as for the crator:
Watch the episode "The Best of Both Worlds" And pay attention. They scan the crator and say there is residual something or other from a tractor beam, meaning they scooped up the entire colony in one go. And it was quick enough to ensure no colonists escape. The Ark is the same size (more or less) than a Galaxy Class ship (like the Enterprise D) and their weapons are not insanely powerful. The Borg can assimalate robotic life, they simply chose not to in the case of Data because the queen wanted an equal. The episode of Enterprise when the Borg appeared (And they were from First Contact meaning they are TNG era Borg and thus, applicable here) assimilated parts of the ship. Note the Borg assimilate species AND THEIR TECHNOLOGY. Their ships are also able to self heal on the fly. I point you to the episode I referenced earlier (Q Who) when the Enterprise fires torpedoes at the cube and it heals itself while flying after them.
And I never said planet killing scale. I meant orbital bombardments that were shown to be effective during the Dominian War. Cybertron is not mobile, and even if it was, Star Trek has sensors that cover sectors of space that span lightyears, so they could easily track it down.
Star Trek also has shields that protect them from weapons fire. I know they can be worn down, but no tf ship has shields. Also, the Ark fired through an asteroid filed, then ran out of cannon power. Star Trek ships can keep firing constantly. Which means the Ark is going to be useless in a fight. They can destroy maybe 3 ships. Then they run out of power while the rest of the armarda wipes them out. tfs also dont have faster than light travel.
TF's would probably win ground battles, but space battles would go to the Trek guys.
One last thing. It was posted at the start: NO UNICRON!!
Sad...
Kira wasn't pregnant...but the actress was, so all her punches were like slaps....and the klingons went down...because they were wimps. Sorry, I should have clarified.
Post a quote on that borg thing...because your idea of how that happened is silly. They figured out there was a tractor beam involved and you assume that that borg scooped the colony up. How and why did you come up with that conclusion. That's just nuts, there's no reason for that. You made that up. If thay wanted the colonists they'd use transporters....there's no...wow. That's just crazy talk.
The Ark and the Nemesis are over 4 km long. It was published a few years back in the comics. That means they're a little larger that a 650+ m long galaxy class
Actually tf weapons are crazy powerful.
That's the ark vaporizing rock as fast as it takes the ship to fly through the field. Trek ships can't do this.
The borg couldn't assimilate data, she tried and failed. We know this because she never got direct access to the ship. Data still had his free will, unlike Picard. And the queen failed in her mission. You're just making things up know.
The borg build around and over the Ent-E...they didn't make it into a borg cube. They couldn't even crack the computer to take control of it. So they failed at controlling the ship, they failed at assimilated data, so they can't assimilate a robot with a computer brain. The borg take technology, reverse engineer it and use it, they make life forms into drones. When they come across a living machine, they don't know what to do.
I said the borg ship can repair itself...I agreed with you. I also said it won't matter because the bots guns are too powerful to be adapted to, and they won't stop shooting until the borg ship is not functioning.
The one orbital bombardment mention was ineffective....so show one that was.
Cybertron was mobile. It was transported using the space bridge and it was drifting ever since (from Ultimate doom). Space is pretty huge dude....starfleet isn't just going to find Cybertron using their sensors. Come on man, the tf's have the advantage here...the already know where Earth is.
Wow, your just... Ok trek ships have shields...good, we can agree. Their shields are sort of like weird. The weapons that hit them are constantly going through the shields....and the shields also don't last very long. Treks weapons are, at the strongest, about as powerful as a low yield nuke. That isn't going to do much to the side of a mountain for instance....which the Ark rammed into and was still intact. So the tf ships can survive trek weapons quite easily. The ark did have shields...shown in Beast Wars (agenda part 3). And since trek weapons can’t do much to tf ships…yet they can do damage to trek shields then trek shields have to be weaker than tf ship defenses. So tf ships can take down trek defenses easily.
The ark ran out of power because the tf's had no power. A fully fueled ship will be just fine.
TF ships have to have faster than light speeds, otherwise it would take years to go between planets.
There's no comic Unicron, who is a god and can't be beat. Cartoon Unicron is just fine.
You still didn't address most of the random points I typed up. I don't think you're really trying.
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