The Energon Pub

[Shadowman]

I learned something today: Amuro Ray is an arrogant douchebag.

He got pissed at Kamille, just because everyone likes Kamille better. He said something along the lines of "Why does he get to pilot the MKII when I'm right here? I'm better!"

Then I realized: This went on for a good long time in First Gundam. He would bitch and moan whenever someone else would take out the Gundam, saying HE'S the only one who could do it right.

Therefore, Amuro Ray is an arrogant douchebag.

And Kira Yamato was a lot less arrogant. Amuro bitched that he was the only one who could pilot the Gundam. Kira bitched BECAUSE he was the only who could pilot his Gundam.

Then again, Murrue Ramius was a lot softer on Kira than Bright Noa was on Amuro.

Agreed on all points, for once. I think it's clear that if there was a definative star of UC, it's Char.

Char was a lot less of a douche than Amuro. But although he had a somewhat noble ideal, he always had some bizzare way of accomplishing it.

Normally, from the inside. The thing is, it always worked that way. Killing the Zabis, ending the Titans. The long-term goal he ever failed at was forcing Humanity to migrate to space via Nuclear Winter.

But he was a lot more calm than Amuro. I think the only time I ever saw him get REALLY angry was near the end of CCA.

And he was cooler than rip offs Zechs Merquise and Rau Le Creuset.

On a somewhat different note: I started watching Gundam SEED in english, because I'm sick of hearing Japanese dudes cry.

I don't know what it is, but it lacks the charm Zeta Gundam had. I said the same thing aout ZZ Gundam, though, and I got really into that.

And INVOKE is pretty catchy. I don't care how much TM Revolution looks like a Japanese Elton John.

[Godmodule]

I learned something today: Amuro Ray is an arrogant douchebag.

He got pissed at Kamille, just because everyone likes Kamille better. He said something along the lines of "Why does he get to pilot the MKII when I'm right here? I'm better!"

Then I realized: This went on for a good long time in First Gundam. He would bitch and moan whenever someone else would take out the Gundam, saying HE'S the only one who could do it right.

Therefore, Amuro Ray is an arrogant douchebag.

And Kira Yamato was a lot less arrogant. Amuro bitched that he was the only one who could pilot the Gundam. Kira bitched BECAUSE he was the only who could pilot his Gundam.

Then again, Murrue Ramius was a lot softer on Kira than Bright Noa was on Amuro.

Agreed on all points, for once. I think it's clear that if there was a definative star of UC, it's Char.

Char was a lot less of a douche than Amuro. But although he had a somewhat noble ideal, he always had some bizzare way of accomplishing it.

Normally, from the inside. The thing is, it always worked that way. Killing the Zabis, ending the Titans. The long-term goal he ever failed at was forcing Humanity to migrate to space via Nuclear Winter.

But he was a lot more calm than Amuro. I think the only time I ever saw him get REALLY angry was near the end of CCA.

And he was cooler than rip offs Zechs Merquise and Rau Le Creuset.

On a somewhat different note: I started watching Gundam SEED in english, because I'm sick of hearing Japanese dudes cry.

I don't know what it is, but it lacks the charm Zeta Gundam had. I said the same thing aout ZZ Gundam, though, and I got really into that.

And INVOKE is pretty catchy. I don't care how much TM Revolution looks like a Japanese Elton John.

Yeah, it does lack the appeal of Zeta. Then, I think Zeta's the second best series, the 1st being MS 08th team, even with Shiroh becoming a hippie at the end. As for Invoke, I'm more partial to Believe.

[Shadowman]

Remember when we argued over the basis for Strike? I've changed my mind.

Yes, Strike is much more like Gundam MKII than RX-78, even though Strike fill the RX-78's role. (Taken accidentally, as opposed to the MKII, which was intentionally stolen.)

What they did, was switch around the style of Gundams in SEED. Strike Gundam, being more like the MKII, is supposed to fill RX-78's role, while the Impulse Gundam, which is more like the RX-78, fills the MKII's role.

Hell, Strike and MKII even have similar clips in the opening. Firing their gun, before being hit by--and surviving--missiles, then brandishing their weapon.

Then again, a lot of Gundams got that treatment in SEED.

[Godmodule]

Remember when we argued over the basis for Strike? I've changed my mind.

Yes, Strike is much more like Gundam MKII than RX-78, even though Strike fill the RX-78's role. (Taken accidentally, as opposed to the MKII, which was intentionally stolen.)

What they did, was switch around the style of Gundams in SEED. Strike Gundam, being more like the MKII, is supposed to fill RX-78's role, while the Impulse Gundam, which is more like the RX-78, fills the MKII's role.

Hell, Strike and MKII even have similar clips in the opening. Firing their gun, before being hit by--and surviving--missiles, then brandishing their weapon.

Then again, a lot of Gundams got that treatment in SEED.

Also, you forgot the "add-on" capabilities. Like the defenser vs. the Ailestriker.

[Shadowman]

Remember when we argued over the basis for Strike? I've changed my mind.

Yes, Strike is much more like Gundam MKII than RX-78, even though Strike fill the RX-78's role. (Taken accidentally, as opposed to the MKII, which was intentionally stolen.)

What they did, was switch around the style of Gundams in SEED. Strike Gundam, being more like the MKII, is supposed to fill RX-78's role, while the Impulse Gundam, which is more like the RX-78, fills the MKII's role.

Hell, Strike and MKII even have similar clips in the opening. Firing their gun, before being hit by--and surviving--missiles, then brandishing their weapon.

Then again, a lot of Gundams got that treatment in SEED.

Also, you forgot the "add-on" capabilities. Like the defenser vs. the Ailestriker.

Yeah, but Impulse had those, too, so it doesn't really count.

In fact, Blast Impulse is a bit more like the Super Gundam. Blast Sillouette came with a jetpack, and it was the preferred style of the Pretty Pilot Chick. (Emma in Zeta, Lunamaria in SEED Destiny.)

On a different note: Who wants to bet that Gundam SEED: The Movie is going to have a shit-ton of similarities of Char's Counterattack? (Like SEED did with MSG, and Destiny did with Zeta)

But when would they make a new SEED styled after ZZ Gundam? Actually, I don't see that happening. If they've been Green Lighted to do the movie, then it's probably too late for Double Destiny.

Also, why has Gundam lost so much popularity in America? Destiny never made it to TV, the toys aren't on shelves anymore. Hell, did they even release Destiny on DVD? I know they've been doing Dubs for it, I've seen a couple episodes of it.

Low ratings moved SEED to the Friday Night Death Slot, (At 1:30AM no less!) G Gundam clogged shelves (Probably should've gotten Shining Gundam when I had the chance, or was it God/Burning?)

[Godmodule]

Remember when we argued over the basis for Strike? I've changed my mind.

Yes, Strike is much more like Gundam MKII than RX-78, even though Strike fill the RX-78's role. (Taken accidentally, as opposed to the MKII, which was intentionally stolen.)

What they did, was switch around the style of Gundams in SEED. Strike Gundam, being more like the MKII, is supposed to fill RX-78's role, while the Impulse Gundam, which is more like the RX-78, fills the MKII's role.

Hell, Strike and MKII even have similar clips in the opening. Firing their gun, before being hit by--and surviving--missiles, then brandishing their weapon.

Then again, a lot of Gundams got that treatment in SEED.

Also, you forgot the "add-on" capabilities. Like the defenser vs. the Ailestriker.

Yeah, but Impulse had those, too, so it doesn't really count.

In fact, Blast Impulse is a bit more like the Super Gundam. Blast Sillouette came with a jetpack, and it was the preferred style of the Pretty Pilot Chick. (Emma in Zeta, Lunamaria in SEED Destiny.)

On a different note: Who wants to bet that Gundam SEED: The Movie is going to have a shit-ton of similarities of Char's Counterattack? (Like SEED did with MSG, and Destiny did with Zeta)

But when would they make a new SEED styled after ZZ Gundam? Actually, I don't see that happening. If they've been Green Lighted to do the movie, then it's probably too late for Double Destiny.

Also, why has Gundam lost so much popularity in America? Destiny never made it to TV, the toys aren't on shelves anymore. Hell, did they even release Destiny on DVD? I know they've been doing Dubs for it, I've seen a couple episodes of it.

Low ratings moved SEED to the Friday Night Death Slot, (At 1:30AM no less!) G Gundam clogged shelves (Probably should've gotten Shining Gundam when I had the chance, or was it God/Burning?)

1.Destiny is available on DVD, but not as a box set yet.

2. Gundam has lost popularity because of multiple reasons. Starting with Wing here in the US, Wing was very popular here. G was labeled a "Dragonball Z" rip-off and dubbed rediculous. UC, well, is UC. A great story, but to tell it would be hard, since the animation is so dated kids wouldn't get into it if you started with 0079.They showed Stardust, and 08th, but without the whole OYW it was deemed to hard to get into. Seed, while great in it's own right, came too little too late.I was surprised to see do as well as it did. Destiny had way too many recaps. The only way to get Gundam back into the mainstream would be either a live action movie in theaters, a FAR superior anime to anything else around, or flooding the US with toys. Maybe all three. I'm no marketing dept., but as a fan of Gundam for more than 12 years, that's my observations.

3. I don't think they'll make a new SEED series. Wing was ended in a way that can't be brought back, G was worthless cheese, and CE has been played pretty thin. I heard they're going focus on the Japanese market and do a new UC series but I don't know if it's true. It would have to take place after CCA since Char and Amuro are dead, and unfortunately focus on the X-bone vanguard. Unless they redevelop the timeline by moving it far into the future, like 100 or 200 years ahead. Nobody with any sense of logic would believe Char and Amuro survived. That's the only way I can see it going, because between 0080,0083,08th team, and F91 they've already jammed as many side stories as they can fit between MS,Zeta, ZZ, and CCA.

[Shadowman]

Actually, Sunrise and Mitsuo Fukuda have announced Gundam SEED: The Movie already.

It's going to take place after SEED Destiny, and will feature all the major, not-dead characters from Destiny.

[Godmodule]

Actually, Sunrise and Mitsuo Fukuda have announced Gundam SEED: The Movie already.

It's going to take place after SEED Destiny, and will feature all the major, not-dead characters from Destiny.

I know, I was referring to an actual series.

[Shadowman]

Actually, Sunrise and Mitsuo Fukuda have announced Gundam SEED: The Movie already.

It's going to take place after SEED Destiny, and will feature all the major, not-dead characters from Destiny.

I know, I was referring to an actual series.

Yep,and I forgot that I mentioned Double Destiny when I said that.

[Godmodule]

Double Destiny? Christ...

[Shadowman]

Double Destiny? Christ...

Well, if Destiny = Zeta Gundam, then Double Destiny = ZZ Gundam.

I thought "Neo Destiny" sounded better, but they've already used the word "Neo" twice is Destiny. (Neo Roanoke and Neo-GENESIS)

[Godmodule]

Sigh...here we go. New series...take a look, I'm not impressed. It's called "Mobile suit Gundam 00".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMuzpMwZcTg

[Shadowman]

Sigh...here we go. New series...take a look, I'm not impressed. It's called "Mobile suit Gundam 00".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMuzpMwZcTg

Well, we'll see...

On a different note, I was watching SEED, and, just before the chorus for "INVOKE," it flashed Aegis, Buster, Blitz, and Duel. But it also flashed what I think was Astray Red Frame. It was shown fighting in space, and the A1 Astray hadn't been revealed until way later.

But what's even weirder is that Lowe Guele, the Junk Guild, nor Astray Frames Red, Blue, or Gold appear anywhere in the main show.

Here's the screenshot, it was hella hard to capture:

[Evil Phil]

That t'would be a case of mecha fanservice.

Though the Red and Blue Frames both star in two short OVA's

Red
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcYGLTcr ... ed&search=
Blue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s11dB1gvIyk


That's really it for the Astrays in animation

[AfterImage]

Sigh...here we go. New series...take a look, I'm not impressed. It's called "Mobile suit Gundam 00".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMuzpMwZcTg

Eh. Fourteen seconds of animation doesn't say much. I think I'll hold off on passing judgement until I actually see a few episodes. I'm still hoping this persistant rumour that the director of Fullmetal Alchemist is on board for this is true, though.

[Duke of Luns]

Sigh...here we go. New series...take a look, I'm not impressed. It's called "Mobile suit Gundam 00".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMuzpMwZcTg

Well, we'll see...

On a different note, I was watching SEED, and, just before the chorus for "INVOKE," it flashed Aegis, Buster, Blitz, and Duel. But it also flashed what I think was Astray Red Frame. It was shown fighting in space, and the A1 Astray hadn't been revealed until way later.

But what's even weirder is that Lowe Guele, the Junk Guild, nor Astray Frames Red, Blue, or Gold appear anywhere in the main show.

Here's the screenshot, it was hella hard to capture:

Gundam SEED ASTRAY the manga says it's the Red frame . :



Seriously, I did read on MAHQ that during the final battle, or briefly before H.O.M.E.(The mothership of the Junk Guild)makes a cameo.

Astray is the only Gundam Manga I ever got or read, and I recommend it if your a fan of SEED. It also explains how Kira got out of his "predicament" in episode 30 without Bosen Jumping(a Naidesco reference me and my friend used to explain it, essentially teleporting).

And yeah, 14 seconds makes it impossible to judge how the next series will turn out. Doesn't even show any enemies. But unfortuneately it probably won't be on U.S. TV though, blast. Still, if it recieves the horrendous editing that SEED did, would it really be a good thing to bring it over anyway?

Heck, it might be a wonder if it makes it over at all, considering how poorly recieved Gundam has apparently been recently. Wonder how well Destiny is selling?

I just realized, I don't think anything of Destiny besides the DVD's has ever made it over here. No action figures, model kits, games, etc. Is Gundam really on life support in the U.S.? Games like "Crossfire"(which I hear is truly bad) doesn't help matters either.

[Shadowman]

SEED was only edited on the TV version. The English DVD is mostly uncut, with all the swearing, blood, and sex left in.

...Murrue Ramius is hawt.

[Evil Phil]

I found it funny how the TV version had the "Disco guns"

[Duke of Luns]

Ah yes, the Disco Guns(posted right as I hit the post button, neat!). The problem though, other than the disco guns themselves(EVERY other Gundam got away with real guns BTW), was that they weren't consistent! Some scense had 'em, others didn't. Worst broadcast Gundam show in the U.S. ever.But I'm too cheap to buy the DVD's, so I can't complain that much......

Wonder if they'll ever release Gundam X? Is Gundam X an underated Gundam, cause I've read it got the lowest ratings in the history of Gundam, but was supposed to be good.

[Evil Phil]

Yes X was underated.

I find what I've seen of it so far to be a good series. Unfortionatly it had a really bad timeslot and couldn't keep up with other shows at the time (Evangelion to name a few).

I also found that alot of the mecha designs were really good, even if most were not original.

[AfterImage]

Though it's a common rumour, I'm pretty sure X was never up against Evangelion directly (though any proximity at all couldn't have helped). Wing was. X simply got pounded with an abysmal timeslot for some reason.

And I don't think it's underrated by most people, as I know very few people who dislike it. Under-exposed, maybe. G Gundam is a series I'd call underrated.

Anyway, I don't think there'll be a major US release any time soon. The best time for that would have been right after Wing back in 2000, acting as a segue to UC. Didn't go that way, though. On the other hand, I hear a Wing re-broadcast is in the works, so you never know: It could re-spark major league Gundam interest again. Still, you can probably count on 00 being the next one for NA focus.

Which is a shame, because I still want my damn Gundam X MSIA.

[Shadowman]

The only reason I never finished Gundam X was because I couldn't stand the cheesy-ass ending theme. "Human Touch," I think it was called.

One of the worst themes ever.

[AfterImage]

It sounds better in Japanese. And Gin Iro Horizon is worth the wait.

Also, the Canadian Broadcast version of SEED lacked the Disco guns, as well. I didn't even know they were making such an edit in the CN version until this year.

[Godmodule]

Hell, I'm still waiting for a english dub of Turn-A!

[Duke of Luns]

MAHQ has lineart of the new Gundams if anyones interested:

http://www.mahq.net/mecha/gundam/00/index.htm

The Gundam Virtue is one of the bulkiest mobile suits I've seen in a long time.