The Energon Pub

[Creature SH]

Unicron travels from Universe to Universe, like a giant mechanoid Slider...

Isn't that contradicted by the fact that he was destroyed in several continuities ?

[Night Striker]

If only the body is destroyed then no, becuase his spark could travel from world to world.

[i_amtrunks]

Unicron travels from Universe to Universe, like a giant mechanoid Slider...

Isn't that contradicted by the fact that he was destroyed in several continuities ?

No apparently his Spark seems to be indestructible or something. Lame I know, but I guess it plays off "there must always be evil to balance out good" aspect that has seeped into Transformers.

To be completely honest though I'm waiting for someone to retcon the "Sliding Unicron" retcon.

[Tramp]

Are the botcon stories offical though in the same sense as the Marvel, DW, IDW, and UK comics and cartoon series are? Or is it just another alternete? I'm all for the idea of a sliding Unicron, would explain why the black hole opens in Armada.

Yes, they are. They're officially sanctioned by Hasbro. Remember, BotCon, is run by an official fan club, run by an affiliate of Hasbro's under Hasbro's license.

Isn't that contradicted by the fact that he was destroyed in several continuities ?

No, because, as the Ultimate Guide states, even if his body is destroyed he will eventually regenerate. Not even the Matrix can permanently destroy him. His spark is eternal, just as Primus' spark—the Allspark— is eternal.

[Creature SH]

oh goodness. Someone throw Prime the Soul Reaver to get it over with.

[Tramp]

ROFLMAO

Some how, I don't think the Soul Reaver could handle it. Unicron is a god after all.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

The real life answer to all of this is a hell of a lot more simple.The truth is that when all these stories were written they werent ment to be connected together.
Unicron was not ment to be a dark god when he was created nor was there ever to be a Primus.The ideas for Primus was more of good guy ANSWER to the creation of Unicron by the writters at Marvel.In a sence to have a good guy the equal in power of Unicron.The ideas to make them gods also came from marvel because the origin of Unicron givven in the G1 toon didnt fit right with the perception's of how the character was seen by the fandom.
Wether or not they were ment to stay dead is in question......In comics,and Marvel in particular, god's are every bit as mortal as we are......they can be killed but are oftten brought back in some imagineative fashion making the death pointless.
Over the years of both their introduction's to the fandom many different creation and death stories have been told and most of them were considered canon at their time of publication.
The idea that they are in all universes at the same time is the most recent of these creation stories but does apply to the other continuities by offical retcon by Hasbro.Meaning even thou it may not have been the intent of the creators of bot Unicron and Primus that they were gods that cant be destroyed, it is what they have become.
Even Superman in the here and now is a far cry from the character he was when he was first created.He was to be a world conquerer,a bad guy.And he has even changed more after that ,he couldnt fly at the beggining.
But getting back on topic Tramp is right but because Hasbro has decided to retcon all of the TF continuities.

[OmegaMaximus]

I honestly blame Hasbro for all of this, why did all the universes have to be connected? I have always hated the multiverse idea, no matter who does it (TV, Comic, etc.) I always thought it was just a lame way to retell the same story over and over again.

Now, I'm sorry that I threw out "misinformation" because I had no idea that the Universe story line was "official." I thought the question was going off the TV shows, and the TV shows alone - and in that case I agree with sti_vo_kor, because I highly doubt that any of these show writers thought about a multiverse.

I think the problem with Primus and Unicron is, as someone stated before, there was no Primus in G1 (TV). Not only that, G1 TV cannon states Unicron was created by Primacron, does this just not exist according the the "Ultimate Guide?"

Not only that, we're talking about a medium that has so many cannons in TV alone that it's never going to be able to answer everything, for example: remember the G1 cartoon Dinobots, they technically come to life without any spark (seeing as they were built on Earth) and yet they are fully functional transformers ... and several episodes later we learn that Vector Sigma is the only thing that can give life to Transformers ... so according to cannon are the Dinobots soul-less?

And again, this is just TV, the comics for all these series take liberties and retell stories as they see fit ... so how can there be an Ultimate Guide ... when we don't even have one story for each generation? It's never going to happen, so I chose not to place all of my "faith" in one book to answer my questions.

Now I'm not trying to start an argument, just throwing out the fact that cannon has changed millions of times in the US TV show alone (seeing I don't know if the Japanese even have a multiverse), and I can see it happening a million times over. So, I think the easiest thing to do is take everything at face value, as we will never know what will happen tomorrow - Hasbro could "revamp" this franchise again, and decide the Ultimate Guide is wrong.

[Tramp]

The Japanese versions of the TF stroies are a part of the multiverse as well, just alternate versions. SEcondly, even the TV series took liberties, as you mentioned with the Dinobots' cartoon history which had them created on Earth. According to their Toy bios, Snarl's in particular, They were all originally from Cybertron, not created on Earth. On top of that, the cartoon and Marvel comic both came out at the same time, and never followed the same continuity. Thus, from the very beginning, the TF mythos was a multiverse. The only thing that has changed over the years is that the multiverse became connected and intertwined through Primus, Unicron, and the Original 13.

[Damolisher]

No Damolisher, according to canon, Primus exists in all unitverses at once. It isn't different Primuses, and different Unicrons. It's one Primus, and one Unicron in all of the multiverse.

WILL YOU STOP SAYING BLOODY MULTIVERSE?! They are different characters, you bloody troll. Only someone with minimal braincells would think that clearly different characters with different origins and different forms are the same. If that's the case, why aren't all Optimus Primes the same? Why aren't all the Matrices the same?

I've told you numerous times they're different BECAUSE THEY ARE DIFFERENT, AND EVERY TRANSFORMERS CONTINUITY IS DIFFERENT For ****'s sake! Get it through your thick bloody head!

[Tramp]

Damolisher, I am not the only one who has stated that the TF mythose is a multiverse. Everyone here has, as has Hasbro, Fun Publications, DW, IDW, Marvel, DK, etc. It is a multiverse. Do you even know what the definition of a multiverse is? IT means mulitple universes. The TF mythos has multiple universes, and multiple continuities, all interconnected by Primus, Unicron, and the Original 13. That, by its very definition makes it a multiverse. I am not the only one to say this.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

you 2 guys go at it almost as offten as I do with my wife..............maybe you guys should think about hooking up

[Primus C-00]

Ok, I am getting sick of this.

I simply cannot undertand the Unicron and Primus thing. Says only 1 Unicorn exists in the entire multiverse, but Primus exists in each, like all other Transfrmers/things in that aternate universe/reality. Then I have people saying Unicorn exists in all of them. I AM SO GODDAMNED CONFUSED. Can someone PLEASE explain this to me in simple words?

I am omnipresent permeating all realities, Unicron bless his little cotton socks can only exist in one reality at a time.

"Limbo Bimbo!"

[Tramp]

you 2 guys go at it almost as offten as I do with my wife..............maybe you guys should think about hooking up

No thank you. Believe me Sto_vo_kor, it's not by any choice of mine. I wish he would leave me alone.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Thats what my wife said to me a little while ago...............thats why I'm here.

[Uniprimus]

PLEASE DO NOT ARGUE AND GET THIS THREAD LOCKED.

Just PLEASE tell me if there is an alternate Primus/Unicorn in each universe? Just yes or no?

[Primus C-00]

PLEASE DO NOT ARGUE AND GET THIS THREAD LOCKED.

Just PLEASE tell me if there is an alternate Primus/Unicorn in each universe? Just yes or no?

No, Primus is omnipresent, and Unicron is the same Unicron just drifting across the multiverses.

[OmegaMaximus]

From Teletran-1: Moreso than most science-fiction franchises, Transformers has been, from the very start, a collection of many varied continuities. Even before the G1 cartoon premiered, there was the Marvel comic series and an array of Marvel-produced storybooks which cannot be reconciled with each other, resulting in myriad micro-continuities. There have been so many mutually exclusive Transformers continuities that a truly exhaustive list would be nearly impossible to complete. However, it is relatively easy to list the major continuity "families".

There is a subjective component to all of this, and each fan decides for themselves how "fine-grained" they want their own personal list of continuities to be. Ultimately, it could be argued that almost every story exists in its own exclusive continuity -- even different stories that were clearly intended to be set in the same universe. For example, two episodes of the G1 cartoon series that make no explicit references to events in each other, but are both "descendants" of the episode "More Than Meets the Eye", could arguably exist in different universes. There may be no particular reason to assert that they don't share continuity, but there is also no clear internal evidence that the events of one affected the world of the other. They might concievably be set in different branches of a timeline that started with MTMTE.

The most inclusive perspective is to consider all canonical Transformers stories as existing within a multiverse which contains countless -- perhaps infinite -- alternate universes. Some of these universes are more closely related to each other than others, but they are all part of the same whole. This approach has been officially sanctioned in a number of stories, most notably Transformers: Universe which takes the existence of an overall Transformers multiverse as the core of its story.

Full article can be read here http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Continuity[/i]

[Sarri]

No Damolisher, according to canon, Primus exists in all unitverses at once. It isn't different Primuses, and different Unicrons. It's one Primus, and one Unicron in all of the multiverse.

No, it isn't canon, at least for me. Tthose ideas aren't canon here, because they were never licensed and released here, no official backing for them. Therefore, that "canon" doesn't exist where I am (and the rest is a mess).

[Uniprimus]

So, Unicorn, 1 in multiverse, Primus in each universe. RIght now, I have asked this in all of my threads, and no one has responded, so now I am going to make it more noticable:


Where does it even say that Unicron is ony 1 in the multiverse, and only primus is in each universe?

Also, I will ask this again since only 1 paeron replied: Is it that Unicron and Primus have bodies in each universe, and when they are destroyed, it goes to another body in another universe?

Sorry if this size wasn't allowed, but I want it answered.

[Primus C-00]

*in response to a shout so loud it reached the slumbering planet core.*

http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Primussays:

Though Unicron would sometimes be defeated, this has always been temporary, and there is a whole multiverse of realities to consume. When Unicron is destroyed in one reality, he respawns in another, ready to eat again. Primus will always be waiting, hoping to incapacitate Unicron and preserve existence.

[Damolisher]

OK, let's just agree to disagree. I say that going by all shown evidence that Unicron and Primus STAY DEAD in every continuity other than Energon where Unicron's revived by magical energon, and the fact Cybertron starts breaking apart when Primus gets killed in the Marvel comics he stays dead, and that in every series, they're different characters with different forms they're differetn and not immortal, and going by one passage in Furman's book with Retcons everything we've seen before, these two say they are the same (Although nothing suggests it) and are immortal (Even though they stay dead.)

[Uniprimus]

BUT WHERE DID IT SAY THEY THERE IS ONE UNICRON AND MULTIPLE VERSIONS OF PRIMUS???

[Primus C-00]

BUT WHERE DID IT SAY THEY THERE IS ONE UNICRON AND MULTIPLE VERSIONS OF PRIMUS???

The needle returns to the start of the song And we all sing along like before ...

There is a thing called art, and encyclopedias, which if we're lucky are written by rather astute professionals, fans and professional fans of said arts who view the art as a whole living piece allowing them to narrow down the thin trickles of consistence within the macrocosm.

Creating what we call:

"Ideas"

These are then shared with you in a process called:

"Discussion"

However seeing as you are so blind you cannot see anything other than your own pointless CAPSLOCK mewlings and demand to have everything spoon fed to you...

I will help you no further.

[Malicron]

BUT WHERE DID IT SAY THEY THERE IS ONE UNICRON AND MULTIPLE VERSIONS OF PRIMUS???

I'm begining to wonder if anyone hear knows.