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Postby Uniprimus » Thu Sep 13, 2007 8:55 pm

If Unicron wanted to destroy all universes, wouldn't it make sense if he created himself in all universes like Primus so he could destory all of them faster?

And if they each 'spread their entirety across all universes' wouldn't that mean Unicron exists inall universes like Primus too?
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Postby Tramp » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:11 pm

Eradicator wrote:If Unicron wanted to destroy all universes, wouldn't it make sense if he created himself in all universes like Primus so he could destory all of them faster?

And if they each 'spread their entirety across all universes' wouldn't that mean Unicron exists inall universes like Primus too?
No, it wouldn't be easier. By working one at a time, he is more thorough. Also, he destroys a reality by literally consuming it. That he can only do one at a time. He's like a predator, hunting and killing, and consuming. He can't eat everything at once. Primus can protect all realities at once though.
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Postby Uniprimus » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:18 pm

Yes, I meant for him to exist in all realities at once LIKE Primus and be able to CONSUME each quicker, and accomplish his goal MUCH faster...?
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:19 pm

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Tramp wrote:
Eradicator wrote:If Unicron wanted to destroy all universes, wouldn't it make sense if he created himself in all universes like Primus so he could destory all of them faster?

And if they each 'spread their entirety across all universes' wouldn't that mean Unicron exists inall universes like Primus too?
No, it wouldn't be easier. By working one at a time, he is more thorough. Also, he destroys a reality by literally consuming it. That he can only do one at a time. He's like a predator, hunting and killing, and consuming. He can't eat everything at once. Primus can protect all realities at once though.


You mean he can TRY to protect all realites at once......as the Dream Wave Energon book shows us Unicron destroyed quite a few realites.
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Postby Tramp » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:22 pm

Eradicator wrote:Yes, I meant for him to exist in all realities at once LIKE Primus and be able to CONSUME each quicker, and accomplish his goal MUCH faster...?
No, it wouldn't. If he were to tryn and exist in every reality at the same time, he would be using up significantly more power. His internal resources would be stretched too far. Primus remains mostly dormant except when he abolutely needs to. It's his children that he created to help him fight Unicron. By focusing on one universe at a time, Unicron can conserve his own resources better given his near constant state of activity. He's always on the hunt.
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Postby Night Striker » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:22 pm

Tramp, Unicron from The movie, vs Unicron from Armada, Energon and Cybertron are very different in terms of personality. Armada would rather use his minicon Sideways to do his dirty work and get the two sides to destroy the planet, rather then someone that wants to do it himself. It's two very differnt personalities.
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:23 pm

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Eradicator wrote:Yes, I meant for him to exist in all realities at once LIKE Primus and be able to CONSUME each quicker, and accomplish his goal MUCH faster...?


No the idea is that he cant because it takes to much power for Unicron to eat all of one realite....every planet ,every Star every life source takes up to much time and energy for Unicron to split his spark to accomplish it.
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:30 pm

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Night Striker wrote:Tramp, Unicron from The movie, vs Unicron from Armada, Energon and Cybertron are very different in terms of personality. Armada would rather use his minicon Sideways to do his dirty work and get the two sides to destroy the planet, rather then someone that wants to do it himself. It's two very differnt personalities.


Dont forget the Unicron's from the the Marvel books.He seamed to want to destroy Primus most of all on a personal level.
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Postby Tramp » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:32 pm

Night Striker wrote:Tramp, Unicron from The movie, vs Unicron from Armada, Energon and Cybertron are very different in terms of personality. Armada would rather use his minicon Sideways to do his dirty work and get the two sides to destroy the planet, rather then someone that wants to do it himself. It's two very differnt personalities.
Oh, no they are not. Regardless of reality, Unicron loves to use others to do his dirty work. HE used Galvatron in the movie, Hook, Line, and Sinker in the Marvel comics. He used multitudes of dupes in Universe. He is as manipoulative as they come. There is no difference.
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Postby Uniprimus » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:33 pm

Thanks. I understand EVERYTHING.

Except.

How can Primus have enough energy to protect each universe?

And alright, I understand from Tramp that each Primus in each universe is the same dude.

Can someone explain this concept to me as if I was a toddler?

(No I am not an idiot, I just don't understand)
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Postby Tramp » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:40 pm

Eradicator wrote:Thanks. I understand EVERYTHING.

Except.

How can Primus have enough energy to protect each universe?

And alright, I understand from Tramp that each Primus in each universe is the same dude.

Can someone explain this concept to me as if I was a toddler?

(No I am not an idiot, I just don't understand)
Primus has enough energy because he remains dormant. He isn't active all of the time. His children—the Transformers—are. He remains sleeping until needed.
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Thu Sep 13, 2007 9:41 pm

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Eradicator wrote:Thanks. I understand EVERYTHING.

Except.

How can Primus have enough energy to protect each universe?

And alright, I understand from Tramp that each Primus in each universe is the same dude.

Can someone explain this concept to me as if I was a toddler?

(No I am not an idiot, I just don't understand)


Ok here it is in a nut shell......Take one Apple.....cut it into 5 peases....you now have 5 peases of 1 apple with seeds that can grow a new apple tree.

Thats Primus, he is the Apple split in to countless peases trew out the mulity-verse where he plants Transformers [seeds] to combat Unicron.
And he doesnt always save every Universe.
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Postby Primus C-00 » Fri Sep 14, 2007 5:45 am

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Eradicator wrote:Thanks. I understand EVERYTHING.

Except.

How can Primus have enough energy to protect each universe?

And alright, I understand from Tramp that each Primus in each universe is the same dude.

Can someone explain this concept to me as if I was a toddler?

(No I am not an idiot, I just don't understand)


As I said before, he is (a) God his power is a limitless as thought itself.

;;)
He's got some pretty far-out powers to go along with them, too, including teleportation, the projection of trippy telepathic visions and illusions, and the ability to groove on the language of 98% of all known species. To uses his powers to the fullest, though, he's gotta be feelin' good vibrations; bad karma can seriously harsh his mellow, y'know?
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Postby Uniprimus » Fri Sep 14, 2007 9:04 am

...Then shouldn't Unicron's be? :lol:

Just kidding.

So lemmee see if I finaly get this:

There is 1 Unicron in the multiverse. He can trave freely between them.

There is a Primus in each universe, but they are all the same person.

But, are all Cybertron the same (like Primus) or are they each different?

And how IS he able to exist in all universes...and be the same person?
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Postby Primus C-00 » Fri Sep 14, 2007 12:00 pm

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Eradicator wrote:And how IS he able to exist in all universes...and be the same person?


He is (a) God his powers are as limitless as thoughtlessness itself.

The power in question here is:

Omnipresence


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnipresence

Within the differentiating paradigms, the planet Cybertrons may be different but the essence of Primus within it isn't.

It is a Unified Field (Theory), so to speak. A Whole.

:)
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Postby Uniprimus » Fri Sep 14, 2007 1:50 pm

Oh, Ok, thanks.

Just one more thing from the guide, it says 'Both heralds spread their entirety across new planets across many realities, seeding the future.'.

Wouldn't this mean Unicron exists in all universes as well? If not what does this mean?
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Sep 14, 2007 3:51 pm

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Eradicator wrote:Oh, Ok, thanks.

Just one more thing from the guide, it says 'Both heralds spread their entirety across new planets across many realities, seeding the future.'.

Wouldn't this mean Unicron exists in all universes as well? If not what does this mean?


Thats what the one wanted them both to do but Unicron rebeled.Think about it like the angel Lucimer.He was one of Gods favorite angels but Lucimer rebeled and became Satan or the Devil or what ever you might call him........if you believe in that stuff :-?
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Postby Uniprimus » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:25 pm

Um...yea but it said they DID that...
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Sep 14, 2007 4:46 pm

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Eradicator wrote:Um...yea but it said they DID that...


What it says is that the One created Unicron and then devided his creation into 2.The 2 of them spreaded across the mulity-verse creating life every where.As the 2 gained sentience [ free will ] Unicron chose to become an agent of Chaos and to destroy all life..... and Primus chose to become the protector of all life.
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Postby Uniprimus » Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:10 pm

It said spread their ENTIRETY ACROSS PLANETS. Now made life in each universe...
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Fri Sep 14, 2007 6:25 pm

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Eradicator wrote:It said spread their ENTIRETY ACROSS PLANETS. Now made life in each universe...


The qute says:

Both heralds spread theiiir entirety across new planets throughout many realities,seeding the future.

Seeding meens planting life.
Like I said to you before.....you have to think about them like apples and they spread their seeds throughout the mulity-verse
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Postby Uniprimus » Fri Sep 14, 2007 10:07 pm

So that quote has NOTHING to do with there only being 1 Unicron in the multiverse, and Primus existing in each universe?
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Postby Tramp » Sat Sep 15, 2007 2:21 am

Read the line again Eradicator. I'll highlight the point you're missing:
Both heralds spread their entirety across new planets throughout many realities,seeding the future.
Before Unicron became chaos and destruction personified, he was just like Primus. They both spread themselves throughout the multiverse, seeding it with life. Then, Unicron rebelled and his nature changed. Instead of existing simultaneously in every reality at once, He became an entity who travelled from reality to reality consuming them one at a time, or attempting to at least, though often thwarted by Primus and his children.
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Postby Primus C-00 » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:24 am

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This thread is like Groundhog Day.

:lol:

Who's this Lucimer fella?

8)
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Postby sto_vo_kor_2000 » Sat Sep 15, 2007 5:58 am

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Primus C-00 wrote:This thread is like Groundhog Day.

:lol:

Who's this Lucimer fella?

8)


ooooooooppppppppppppppppsssssssssssssssss

Typo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That what happans when one doesnt sleep for 3 days
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