The Energon Pub

[Liege Evilmus]

Well, I did not say that. Did you read the above posts? I meant for my possible fan fic that why would he split himself in 2?

So it was only in the universe comics it said that, eh? You got quotes or what? (please)?

I'm gonna say because, he could.

The One wasn't part of the physical world, initaly, so he took a prortion of himself and released it into the world of solid matter with the initial intent of it returning.

I was saying he split himself evenly, because this is what you purposed in your initial idea after Night Striker and I shared our thooughts. I'm just trying to help you elaborate, as again, you ased for thoughts as to why they'd do something like this.

However, when that portion couldn't return. The remainder grew envious. And dewlling on assumptions and not fact, entered the world of matter himself looking to destroy what he assumed his other half was trying to rule.

ie, the universe at large.

If your unhappy with this and would like to change it, well, please do

It's your theory I'm working on, I already submitted my own. If your not happy with this, all you have to do is find a way to rework it so that you will be. But in the end, it is soley up to you what you think would be right.

[Tramp]

Well, I did not say that. Did you read the above posts? I meant for my possible fan fic that why would he split himself in 2?

So it was only in the universe comics it said that, eh? You got quotes or what? (please)?

It wasn't "only" in the 3H Universe story. That is where the retcon first appeared. and has continued through all later TF story lines, including the story line behind the Universe toys. In that story line, Unicron pulls TFs from throughout all of the multiverse and Primus calls formth Optimus Primal to put together a group of heroes, also taken from throughout the multiverse, to stop him

[Uniprimus]

Tramp, I asked you where it said it in ALL the fictions, so why are you telling me this later?

Anyway, is the One wanted to go in the physica world, why would he have to create someone to go and not just go himself?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Tramp, I asked you where it said it in ALL the fictions, so why are you telling me this later?

Anyway, is the One wanted to go in the physica world, why would he have to create someone to go and not just go himself?

Because he didnt have the cab fare

[Tramp]

Tramp, I asked you where it said it in ALL the fictions, so why are you telling me this later?

Anyway, is the One wanted to go in the physica world, why would he have to create someone to go and not just go himself?

Because it applies to all fictions. The story originated in the Universe story line, which is the story line which ties all of the various TF continuties together into a single multiverse. Also, I have mentioned that it was told in Wreckers #3 in numerous occasions. That is the story which retconned the cartoon continutiy to include Primus as the true creator of the Transformers in cartoon continuity, not the Quintessans.

[Uniprimus]

Ok, whatever. Thanks.

Now I am gonna have the Primus in all universes univeron 1 in yadda yadda yadda...

There is now 1 and only 1 thing I don't understand:::::How can Primus be the same Primus in each universe is they are alternate univeres...?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Ok, whatever. Thanks.

Now I am gonna have the Primus in all universes univeron 1 in yadda yadda yadda...

There is now 1 and only 1 thing I don't understand:::::How can Primus be the same Primus in each universe is they are alternate univeres...?

Because both Unicron and Primus were around before the mulity-verse was born.They excisted in the Universe that exisited before the big bang that created the mulity-verse.So he used his power to plant seed in every universe in the mulity-verse.Those seeds would become all the Cybertrons in the mulity-verse and each Cybertron would then bring forth Transformers to combat Unicron.

[Liege Evilmus]

Ok, whatever. Thanks.

Now I am gonna have the Primus in all universes univeron 1 in yadda yadda yadda...

There is now 1 and only 1 thing I don't understand:::::How can Primus be the same Primus in each universe is they are alternate univeres...?

Careful. Tramp might have an anurism when you exhaust his card backs and guides!

The whole idea of including Unicron in Universe was just a way to promote his finaly released figure, and hope the tie in would help surplus repainted molds sell.

When Universe started in H3, the figures where more tied to Pulp Fiction than anything TF.

The simplist way I could try to explain this in your theory or any other fiction is with an analogy.

Tomax and Xamot of GI Joe (Cobra realy) where twins who shared the same thoughts to an extent where they could even feel eachothers pain.

I'd think of all PRIMUS's ad having that same type of bond.

as for Unicron, another analogy. I myself have 4 brothers, we all have very distict similarities. However each of us all have skills and tastes that we prefer and excell in that the others don't.

If Unicron has that Brotherlike Kindship with Primus, it could explain how they are very similar and different at the same time.

I can write and draw. I;m also a great driver, but suck at 5-speed.

Meanwhile, my one brother can't write or draw, is a decent driver but can't figure out that o an automatic "D means Dattaway"

So while Primus exeled in areas of the mind which made hime one with all his incarnations, Unicron, being more self centered, went a differnt route.

[Uniprimus]

Ok, so it was ONLY in the Universe comics that it said There is only 1 Unicron in the multiverse? And even if, you could probably retcon it out yoursef, saying whatever happends to a Unicrn in one universe happends to all in other universes. I mean, I am sure that all canon in the future are NOT gonna go on the lines with this concept. So I am again fanwanking it out.

So, each Primus/Unicron in each alternate universe is a different version. Woud this agree with all other canon besides Universe? And again, do you have quotes saying it from Universe?

And can someone please explain to me what the connection between the Allspark and Primus is??

[Night Striker]

In simplest tearms the all spark is Primus spark. It's where Transformers life comes from since it's so big. I hate to get religious here but the only way I can really think to discribe it is think of the whole "And from God mankind came and man was created in the form of god."

Basically it's the same principle. Primus created TFs in his likeness, and thus their sparks are a smaller extention of his spark.

Now as I understand it, you're having the One split himself in two and go jourey out into the newly created universe? Or are you having it as it created one being that split itself in to two?

[Tramp]

Ok, so it was ONLY in the Universe comics that it said There is only 1 Unicron in the multiverse? And even if, you could probably retcon it out yoursef, saying whatever happends to a Unicrn in one universe happends to all in other universes. I mean, I am sure that all canon in the future are NOT gonna go on the lines with this concept. So I am again fanwanking it out.

So, each Primus/Unicron in each alternate universe is a different version. Woud this agree with all other canon besides Universe? And again, do you have quotes saying it from Universe?

And can someone please explain to me what the connection between the Allspark and Primus is??

It is the Universe story line that first established this, but it is a part of all TF continuities. Universe is the story line whoich connects all of the various Transformer realities together, and a lot of the information used in the TUG regarding Primus and Unicron is taken from the Universe story line because it applies accross the TF multiverse. As for quotes, here is one from the packaging of the Universe toys:

In the distant future, the evil UNICRON™ wages a final war for control of the Universe, summoning a vast army of DECEPTICON® forces from accross time and space. Responding quickly, OPTIMUS PRIMAL® gathers his own army of heroic AUTOBOT® forces and marches into battle against the aggressors. As enemy sides clash in the biggest war the Universe has ever seen, their bodies emit a powerful radiation known as Energon. Little to they know that UNICRON™ is secretly harvesting this mysterious force to increase his own strength!

You will notice that the word "Universe" is capitalized. This is also done in Tranformers: the Ultimate Guide, and refers to the multiverse as a whole, not any one universe. Also, as you know, the Universe line drew toys and characters from every previous and current toy line and story line from G1/Beast Wars, RID, all the way through AEC Botcon.com has the entire issues #1 and 2 up on their site, here: http://botcon.com/archive/story/index.html. Unfortunately, Wreckers #3 isn't up yet.

As for the connection between Primus and the Allpsark, the Allspark is the Spark of Primus himself.

[Cyber Bishop]

You will notice that the word "Universe" is capitalized. This is also done in Tranformers: the Ultimate Guide, and refers to the multiverse as a whole, not any one universe.

Question, where is this information coming from a book? website?

[Tramp]

You will notice that the word "Universe" is capitalized. This is also done in Tranformers: the Ultimate Guide, and refers to the multiverse as a whole, not any one universe.

Question, where is this information coming from a book? website?

It comes from TransFormers: The Ultimate Guide, the Universe toy packaging, Wreckers #3, and Teletraan 1.

The Universe series in particular, both from Botcon and from the toy line took characters from every TF reality, and brought them together to fight against Unicron. The specifics are revealed in the Wreckers story line from Botcon.

[Uniprimus]

Ok, I am going to have the One, spiritual being residing in the astral plane CREATE Primus and Unicron (not from himself).

Tramp, you gotta understand that I don't like the Unicron only 1 in the multiverse thing. In every universe. The movieverse don't have it, G1 don't have it, Devil's Due GI Joe Vs TF, and probalbly more in the future...I mean, do you like the concept?

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Ok, I am going to have the One, spiritual being residing in the astral plane CREATE Primus and Unicron (not from himself).

Tramp, you gotta understand that I don't like the Unicron only 1 in the multiverse thing. In every universe. The movieverse don't have it, G1 don't have it, Devil's Due GI Joe Vs TF, and probalbly more in the future...I mean, do you like the concept?

Are you sayin that you dont like that theres only 1 Unicron in the mulity-verse???????

As I understand it theres only 1 Primus as well........In all the mulity-verse, every universe , its the same Primus just different bodys but the same spark [soul] its just 1 Primus and Unicron.

[Tramp]

Ok, I am going to have the One, spiritual being residing in the astral plane CREATE Primus and Unicron (not from himself).

Tramp, you gotta understand that I don't like the Unicron only 1 in the multiverse thing. In every universe. The movieverse don't have it, G1 don't have it, Devil's Due GI Joe Vs TF, and probalbly more in the future...I mean, do you like the concept?

None of the unvierses have dealt with the issue, that doesn't mean that they don't exist. Unicron and Primus are an integral part of the TF multiverse. Primus exists an all sumultaneously in order to protect the multiverse as a whole. Unicron travels from reality to reality in order to destroy each one individually. It is their purposes which determined how they existed as beings. One omnipresent in all relaities at once in order to protect and watch over them, and one travelling between realities in order to destroy and consume them.

[Cyber Bishop]

You will notice that the word "Universe" is capitalized. This is also done in Tranformers: the Ultimate Guide, and refers to the multiverse as a whole, not any one universe.

Question, where is this information coming from a book? website?

It comes from TransFormers: The Ultimate Guide, the Universe toy packaging, Wreckers #3, and Teletraan 1.

The Universe series in particular, both from Botcon and from the toy line took characters from every TF reality, and brought them together to fight against Unicron. The specifics are revealed in the Wreckers story line from Botcon.

I don't think you understood my question..
I meant this

refers to the multiverse as a whole, not any one universe

Where does THIS bit of information come from?
What book, website, (whatever) states that a capital "U" links everything and refers to the multiverse and not one universe.
Or am I missing something?
Or are you making things more complicated than they really need to be?

[Tramp]

IT's implicit in the context of how it is used within the texts in all of the above sources. IF you read the passages about Primus and Unicron in Transformers: the Ultimate Guide it states that they both spread their entirey across new planets throughout many realities. Read pages 10, 50-51, and 53 in the Ultimate Guide. Page 10 talks about their creation and that of the Universe, pages 50-51 and 53 go intor firther detail about them and their place in the Universe and their place throughout all realities. There is no quote that says "the word "Universe" refers to ..." It is what they are describe the "Universe" as in the various sources, and discussing its many realities and how Primus and Unicron fit into that scheme.

[Liege Evilmus]

My new quest in life is to get a "SUPREME MASTER ULTIMATE GUIDE" published with a sub title "THAT KICKS EVERY OTHER ULTIMATE GUIDES ASS".

Many of us do not like the origins and reasons that the ultimate guide provides. With all the different continuities, explinations and everything else out there...

There is no real reason why they should be accepted.

After all, say David Wise wrote his own guide that conflicted with Furman's, who's to say which concepts would be right!?!

Yes Furman is popular, but Wise created Vector Sigma, as well as wrote many G1 episodes.

If the guide works for you cool, but in recent pages, this thread has become more about our individual interpitations to the myriad existing facts. A creation of for lack of better words, "Personal Canon"

To keep forcing only one version of those myriad facts as the only answer is just rude.

[Cyber Bishop]

To keep forcing only one version of those myriad facts as the only answer is just rude.

You are 100% correct it is rude..
And I am getting tired of reading PM complaints about it (that does not mean to stop complaining either)..

[Liege Evilmus]

To keep forcing only one version of those myriad facts as the only answer is just rude.

You are 100% correct it is rude..
And I am getting tired of reading PM complaints about it (that does not mean to stop complaining either)..

Are you for real about the PM complaints!?!

What are they saying to you?

[Tramp]

I'm just supplying the information found in existing canon sources. IF David Wise or another TF author wrote a conflicting book, that would be one thing, but there isn't a conflicting book. The Ultimate Guide is considered by Hasbro to be autoritive. I'm just supplying the information. Eradicator asked for canon answers to his question. Thus, I have looked for those canon answers from the most reliable canon sources I can find.

[Cyber Bishop]

I'm just supplying the information found in existing canon sources. IF David Wise or another TF author wrote a conflicting book, that would be one thing, but there isn't a conflicting book. The Ultimate Guide is considered by Hasbro to be autoritive. I'm just supplying the information. Eradicator asked for canon answers to his question. Thus, I have looked for those canon answers from the most reliable canon sources I can find.

So this guide is the only source of info out there?

[Liege Evilmus]

Are you for real with that one!

The comics conflict the shows which conflict the movie which conflicts the bios that conflict the manga which conflict the conflicting conflicts of the main confliction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for being endorsed by Hasbro, they'll endorse flaming bags of dog doo with a TF logo on it if they think it'll make them a buck.

AND YES, if something has Hasbro's name or logo on it, they are getting a cut!

Now please tell me, if Hasbro truely cared for canon, why do they allow so many retellings? Hell, why did they just recently take 3 japanesse series, only 2 of which had anything to do with one another, and dub them together as as a TRILOGY?

With all the different stories out there in all the different medias. One book can't wrap it all up, and being endorsed by the main cause of this confusion only lessens it's crediblity(to me).

So at that point it realy falls to us to devise our own, which we were having fun doing, sharing our ideas and all untill someone kept trying to bitch slap us with only 1 of many books.

[Tramp]

I'm just supplying the information found in existing canon sources. IF David Wise or another TF author wrote a conflicting book, that would be one thing, but there isn't a conflicting book. The Ultimate Guide is considered by Hasbro to be autoritive. I'm just supplying the information. Eradicator asked for canon answers to his question. Thus, I have looked for those canon answers from the most reliable canon sources I can find.

So this guide is the only source of info out there?

When it comes to current canon, as a compilation of the entire TF saga and all of its myriad incarnations and realities, pretty much. The individual comics and shows only deal with their individual realities. The Ultimate Guide discusses all of them and how they relate to one another and, at least according to it, provides the "true" history of the Transformers race. IT draws information from the G1 cartoons, Marvel comics, Dreamwave comics, Universe stories from both 3H and the toys, the entire Beast Wars saga, RID, Armada, Energon, IDW, etc. The only things it didn't cover are Cybertron and the new movie. It is the most comprehensive source of TF canon published to date.