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[Tramp]

Are you for real with that one!

The comics conflict the shows which conflict the movie which conflicts the bios that conflict the manga which conflict the conflicting conflicts of the main confliction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for being endorsed by Hasbro, they'll endorse flaming bags of dog doo with a TF logo on it if they think it'll make them a buck.

AND YES, if something has Hasbro's name or logo on it, they are getting a cut!

Now please tell me, if Hasbro truely cared for canon, why do they allow so many retellings? Hell, why did they just recently take 3 japanesse series, only 2 of which had anything to do with one another, and dub them together as as a TRILOGY?

With all the different stories out there in all the different medias. One book can't wrap it all up, and being endorsed by the main cause of this confusion only lessens it's crediblity(to me).

So at that point it realy falls to us to devise our own, which we were having fun doing, sharing our ideas and all untill someone kept trying to bitch slap us with only 1 of many books.

Each retelling is a different reality. The Ultimate Guide tells us how those realities fit together into a greater multiverse.

[Cyber Bishop]

Are you for real with that one!

The comics conflict the shows which conflict the movie which conflicts the bios that conflict the manga which conflict the conflicting conflicts of the main confliction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly, how can they actually agree on what is 100% canon with all the various TF related media that has circulated since 84?
I mean just starting out they had 2 separate continuities, the Marvel continuity and the toon continuity.

As for being endorsed by Hasbro, they'll endorse flaming bags of dog doo with a TF logo on it if they think it'll make them a buck.

AND YES, if something has Hasbro's name or logo on it, they are getting a cut!

I have to agree here.. Right now TF is a hot commodity and anything with TF on it sells.

Now please tell me, if Hasbro truely cared for canon, why do they allow so many retellings? Hell, why did they just recently take 3 japanesse series, only 2 of which had anything to do with one another, and dub them together as as a TRILOGY?

Makes sense to me.

With all the different stories out there in all the different medias. One book can't wrap it all up, and being endorsed by the main cause of this confusion only lessens it's crediblity(to me).

Makes sense as well.

The only way any of the stories could all be canon is if they considered them like the DC universe with the multiverse.
Each universe would be it's own canon entity.

G1 Toon - Beast Machines = Main universe
G1 & G2 Marvel comic = universe 2
Japanese toon = universe 3
UK comic = universe 4
RID = universe 5
Energon Armada and Cybertron = universe 6

Something like that makes more sense than lumping all of the continuities into one big "melting pot" confusing the **** out of everyone.

Each retelling is a different reality. The Ultimate Guide tells us how those realities fit together into a greater multiverse.

Ah, so even though I never read any of these "ultimate guides" I got that part correct.
But tying them all together and putting it into book form is nothing but a silly moneymaking ploy.

I'm just supplying the information found in existing canon sources. IF David Wise or another TF author wrote a conflicting book, that would be one thing, but there isn't a conflicting book. The Ultimate Guide is considered by Hasbro to be autoritive. I'm just supplying the information. Eradicator asked for canon answers to his question. Thus, I have looked for those canon answers from the most reliable canon sources I can find.

So this guide is the only source of info out there?

When it comes to current canon, as a compilation of the entire TF saga and all of its myriad incarnations and realities, pretty much. The individual comics and shows only deal with their individual realities. The Ultimate Guide discusses all of them and how they relate to one another and, at least according to it, provides the "true" history of the Transformers race. IT draws information from the G1 cartoons, Marvel comics, Dreamwave comics, Universe stories from both 3H and the toys, the entire Beast Wars saga, RID, Armada, Energon, IDW, etc. The only things it didn't cover are Cybertron and the new movie. It is the most comprehensive source of TF canon published to date.

Don't start that highlighting **** with me.

[Tramp]

No one ever said it was a melting pot. IT's a multiverse, just like in DC. What the Ultimate Guide, and the Universe stories established as a retcon over everything was that Primus and Unicron were the same entities in every one of them and spanned every reality within the multiverse, but in different ways—Primus exists in all of them simultaniously as the planet Cybertron, and Unicron travels from reality to reality as he consumes each one, or is defeated trying. Thus, the origin of the Transformers is consistant throughout all realities. Other than that, they are all individual realities. Oh, and Cyber Bishop, based upon what is written in the Ultimate Guide, the "Main" G1 reality is "supposed" to be the Dreamwave one, which also ties itself directly to Beast wars/Beast machines. Most of the information regarding its "true G1 history" came from those comics.

[Liege Evilmus]

Are you for real with that one!

The comics conflict the shows which conflict the movie which conflicts the bios that conflict the manga which conflict the conflicting conflicts of the main confliction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

As for being endorsed by Hasbro, they'll endorse flaming bags of dog doo with a TF logo on it if they think it'll make them a buck.

AND YES, if something has Hasbro's name or logo on it, they are getting a cut!

Now please tell me, if Hasbro truely cared for canon, why do they allow so many retellings? Hell, why did they just recently take 3 japanesse series, only 2 of which had anything to do with one another, and dub them together as as a TRILOGY?

With all the different stories out there in all the different medias. One book can't wrap it all up, and being endorsed by the main cause of this confusion only lessens it's crediblity(to me).

So at that point it realy falls to us to devise our own, which we were having fun doing, sharing our ideas and all untill someone kept trying to bitch slap us with only 1 of many books.

Each retelling is a different reality. The Ultimate Guide tells us how those realities fit together into a greater multiverse.

Believe me, I understand and repect that that works for you. And that is perfectly fine.

However what you have to understand, is that it won't work for everyone.

It's like The Bible denouncing science, and science denouncing The Bible.

There is no right or wrong in personal interpitation of facts.

Now you stated that this statment started out looking for canon, and you did a good job in referenceing many things writen. But then the discussion(as this is a discussion forum) took a different turn, and became more about idea.

This is my problem here now, your not letting people express their ideas based on their own interpitation of existing facts by constantly beating every statment with your single book.

You expressed your statment and it was respected, others deserve that same curtiousy.

I recall a while ago I started a thread about how people thought Cybertron was restored after HeadMasters, and welcomed fact. At every turn and statment, all you did was scream The Ultimate Guide, and twisted it with nothing and realy killed a good discussion. You proclaimed, I obviously never read it in your first statment.

I did, I didn't by into alot of it, so I returned it. It did not work for me.

If you have your system, thats cool, but you have to respect that it's not the only one, and everyone is entitled to there own ideas.

[i_amtrunks]

The only way any of the stories could all be canon is if they considered them like the DC universe with the multiverse.
Each universe would be it's own canon entity.

G1 Toon - Beast Machines = Main universe
G1 & G2 Marvel comic = universe 2
Japanese toon = universe 3
UK comic = universe 4
RID = universe 5
Energon Armada and Cybertron = universe 6

Something like that makes more sense than lumping all of the continuities into one big "melting pot" confusing the **** out of everyone.

I'm someway surprised that hasbro has not done something like this already, it would give them even more freedom in re-releasing toys. ie: "Universe 4 Pretender Grimlock", "Universe 6 Snarl" etc etc.

The fact that every new series more or less ignores what has happened previously (barring G1-Beast Wars-Beast Machine, and Armada-Energon) You cannot make all the continuities fit snugly in together, there are similarities and nods to previous series, but that is no reason to try to force them into one large grouping.

Could you ever imagine trying to get the IDW stories to fit in with the Marvel Uk stuff??? They are even written by the same guy, yet they do not work at all together.

[Liege Evilmus]

Are you for real with that one!

The comics conflict the shows which conflict the movie which conflicts the bios that conflict the manga which conflict the conflicting conflicts of the main confliction!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Exactly, how can they actually agree on what is 100% canon with all the various TF related media that has circulated since 84?
I mean just starting out they had 2 separate continuities, the Marvel continuity and the toon continuity.

As for being endorsed by Hasbro, they'll endorse flaming bags of dog doo with a TF logo on it if they think it'll make them a buck.

AND YES, if something has Hasbro's name or logo on it, they are getting a cut!

I have to agree here.. Right now TF is a hot commodity and anything with TF on it sells.

Now please tell me, if Hasbro truely cared for canon, why do they allow so many retellings? Hell, why did they just recently take 3 japanesse series, only 2 of which had anything to do with one another, and dub them together as as a TRILOGY?

Makes sense to me.

With all the different stories out there in all the different medias. One book can't wrap it all up, and being endorsed by the main cause of this confusion only lessens it's crediblity(to me).

Makes sense as well.

The only way any of the stories could all be canon is if they considered them like the DC universe with the multiverse.
Each universe would be it's own canon entity.

G1 Toon - Beast Machines = Main universe
G1 & G2 Marvel comic = universe 2
Japanese toon = universe 3
UK comic = universe 4
RID = universe 5
Energon Armada and Cybertron = universe 6

Something like that makes more sense than lumping all of the continuities into one big "melting pot" confusing the **** out of everyone.

Each retelling is a different reality. The Ultimate Guide tells us how those realities fit together into a greater multiverse.

Ah, so even though I never read any of these "ultimate guides" I got that part correct.
But tying them all together and putting it into book form is nothing but a silly moneymaking ploy.

I'm just supplying the information found in existing canon sources. IF David Wise or another TF author wrote a conflicting book, that would be one thing, but there isn't a conflicting book. The Ultimate Guide is considered by Hasbro to be autoritive. I'm just supplying the information. Eradicator asked for canon answers to his question. Thus, I have looked for those canon answers from the most reliable canon sources I can find.

So this guide is the only source of info out there?

When it comes to current canon, as a compilation of the entire TF saga and all of its myriad incarnations and realities, pretty much. The individual comics and shows only deal with their individual realities. The Ultimate Guide discusses all of them and how they relate to one another and, at least according to it, provides the "true" history of the Transformers race. IT draws information from the G1 cartoons, Marvel comics, Dreamwave comics, Universe stories from both 3H and the toys, the entire Beast Wars saga, RID, Armada, Energon, IDW, etc. The only things it didn't cover are Cybertron and the new movie. It is the most comprehensive source of TF canon published to date.

Don't start that highlighting **** with me.

Respectfuly...

NICE

[Malicron]

GOD DAMM IT!!!

Tramp, Damolisher, I have seen you two get one tread I was enjoying locked, could you try not to **** this one up two?

[Cyber Bishop]

GOD DAMM IT!!!

Tramp, Damolisher, I have seen you two get one tread I was enjoying locked, could you try not to **** this one up two?

Damolisher is gone for a week.
I am responding to some complaints.

[Liege Evilmus]

The only way any of the stories could all be canon is if they considered them like the DC universe with the multiverse.
Each universe would be it's own canon entity.

G1 Toon - Beast Machines = Main universe
G1 & G2 Marvel comic = universe 2
Japanese toon = universe 3
UK comic = universe 4
RID = universe 5
Energon Armada and Cybertron = universe 6

Something like that makes more sense than lumping all of the continuities into one big "melting pot" confusing the **** out of everyone.

I'm someway surprised that hasbro has not done something like this already, it would give them even more freedom in re-releasing toys. ie: "Universe 4 Pretender Grimlock", "Universe 6 Snarl" etc etc.

The fact that every new series more or less ignores what has happened previously (barring G1-Beast Wars-Beast Machine, and Armada-Energon) You cannot make all the continuities fit snugly in together, there are similarities and nods to previous series, but that is no reason to try to force them into one large grouping.

Could you ever imagine trying to get the IDW stories to fit in with the Marvel Uk stuff??? They are even written by the same guy, yet they do not work at all together.

Please keep in mind, this is only how I work making sense of everything.

G1 through Japan is what it is. G2 is a step towards the evolution to The Beast Era, which began with a trip back in time.
For a short time Otimus Primal, carried Prime's spark. During this time, time itself warped creating a present in which RID occured.
Prime's spark was restored, the events of history went back to normal.
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Key side note, the sentient remains of Unicron, took advantge of this flux, and remined in the past, thehead cocooning into one of the moons to regenerate a new body. It's fractured planet side parts, spawned minicons like maggots.
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Later BW megs took G1 Megs spark for a longer time creating another rift, with the unexpected into of things like minicons, this story becomes Armada, Energon, and Cybertron.

TF Classics are new bodies for tired G1 figures who don't want to give up the struggle, The Alts, are like a royal version of that.

The movie toys are new characters spawned from the sparks that touched Primus when he awoke....
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In all of this, 1 Primus, 1 Unicron(actualy he managed to split his body as I have 3, but he's the same guy in 1 universe).

All the different Primes and Megatrons and everyone else that have many figures, divide a portion of their spark off when ever a new body is built. It gives them individuality, but a shared mental kinship with others who share a piece of that spark.
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This isn't canon, it's just how my collection and the various stories make sense to me. Things like having a zillion of the same guy can get confusing. And the whole "alternate universe" thing is a cop out for writers to be lazy and just make it up as they go along instead of working on a single quality story.

Like it or lump it, thats all it is, my idea.

[Tramp]

There is actually a very good reason for Hasbro and its affiliates trying to establish a set canon, including linking the Multiverse together with a common history while still keeping each story within the multiverse their own realities. That reason is so that everyone is on the same page. The whole point is to prevent confusion by people throwing out their own "personal" views as to how things "should" be. The whole point of a book like the Ultimate Guide is to show how it really is, and thus remove "personal interpretation" over what is true or not. This is the same reason why Lucas Licensing established what is and is not canon in the Star Wars saga of movies books, comics and games. It is why Paramount established their own official standards of canon for Star Trek. By establishing an official standard of canon and putting down specifically what is what, it places everyone on the same page, hopefully to avoid arguments and confusion. The idea is that you can't argue with canon.

[Cyber Bishop]

There is actually a very good reason for Hasbro and its affiliates trying to establish a set canon, including linking the Multiverse together with a common history while still keeping each story within the multiverse their own realities.

yeah, to publish a book and make money.

The whole point of a book like the Ultimate Guide is to show how it really is, and thus remove "personal interpretation" over what is true or not.

And where is the fun with that?
Part of the fun on this website and others like it, is to discuss and debate people's personal interpretations on the TF fandom and honestly you seem to be the only one that goes around and ruins that fun for others by spouting that books info. No one before you preached it so religiously like you do.

Lighten up and let people have their fun eh?

[Liege Evilmus]

So basicly we should just take whatever they give us, never question it, and be happy with that cop out excuse!

I'm sorry but I'm a creative intelligent person, my intrest and dollar demand better than "Because we say so"

You reference Star Wars, I'm not realy a fan. But in what I've seen and read, no matter what the source, you can see very close attention to consistancy in all their stories.

The same goes for Star Trek, DragonBall(they mastered it), TMNT, Macross, and well basicly anything Hasbro doesn't touch.

[Tramp]

There is actually a very good reason for Hasbro and its affiliates trying to establish a set canon, including linking the Multiverse together with a common history while still keeping each story within the multiverse their own realities.

yeah, to publish a book and make money.

The whole point of a book like the Ultimate Guide is to show how it really is, and thus remove "personal interpretation" over what is true or not.

And where is the fun with that?
Part of the fun on this website and others like it, is to discuss and debate people's personal interpretations on the TF fandom and honestly you seem to be the only one that goes around and ruins that fun for others by spouting that books info. No one before you preached it so religiously like you do.

Lighten up and let people have their fun eh?

Most of the discussions I've been involved in have been ones regarding facts about TF canon, thus requiring canon answers or proof, which is why I go to these specific sources. IF you're trying to prove something, it is best to have canon proof to back it up. You can't back it up based solely upon your own personal views. That is why I go back to this source as well as the various other canon sources so much. They're necessary for the given discussions. I'm not trying to take away anyone else's fun. I'm just trying to answer the questions or support a side of a debate with canon evidence.

[Liege Evilmus]

There is actually a very good reason for Hasbro and its affiliates trying to establish a set canon, including linking the Multiverse together with a common history while still keeping each story within the multiverse their own realities.

yeah, to publish a book and make money.

The whole point of a book like the Ultimate Guide is to show how it really is, and thus remove "personal interpretation" over what is true or not.

And where is the fun with that?
Part of the fun on this website and others like it, is to discuss and debate people's personal interpretations on the TF fandom and honestly you seem to be the only one that goes around and ruins that fun for others by spouting that books info. No one before you preached it so religiously like you do.

Lighten up and let people have their fun eh?

I can't agree more!

[Tramp]

So basicly we should just take whatever they give us, never question it, and be happy with that cop out excuse!

I'm sorry but I'm a creative intelligent person, my intrest and dollar demand better than "Because we say so"

It isn't a "cop-out" excuse. They're trying to establsih some consistancy and link all of the realities—both US/UK and Japanese—together while still keeping each story and reality independent.

You reference Star Wars, I'm not realy a fan. But in what I've seen and read, no matter what the source, you can see very close attention to consistancy in all their stories.

There is still some inconsitancies, but they're relatively minor. Most of them are dealt with through retcons, and establishing which takes priority through a canon heirachy.

The same goes for Star Trek, DragonBall(they mastered it), TMNT, Macross, and well basicly anything Hasbro doesn't touch.

Well, Star Treak has it easy. Paramount only considers the TV shows and movies canon, and everything else apocrypha.

[Liege Evilmus]

There is actually a very good reason for Hasbro and its affiliates trying to establish a set canon, including linking the Multiverse together with a common history while still keeping each story within the multiverse their own realities.

yeah, to publish a book and make money.

The whole point of a book like the Ultimate Guide is to show how it really is, and thus remove "personal interpretation" over what is true or not.

And where is the fun with that?
Part of the fun on this website and others like it, is to discuss and debate people's personal interpretations on the TF fandom and honestly you seem to be the only one that goes around and ruins that fun for others by spouting that books info. No one before you preached it so religiously like you do.

Lighten up and let people have their fun eh?

Most of the discussions I've been involved in have been ones regarding facts about TF canon, thus requiring canon answers or proof, which is why I go to these specific sources. IF you're trying to prove something, it is best to have canon proof to back it up. You can't back it up based solely upon your own personal views. That is why I go back to this source as well as the various other canon sources so much. They're necessary for the given discussions. I'm not trying to take away anyone else's fun. I'm just trying to answer the questions or support a side of a debate with canon evidence.

Cool so say your piece and if others are intrested, let them ask you about it, or create a thread about it.

But as I've been saying, you keep beating every statment with that book. Theres nothing wrong with siting reference, but it's the actual persistance that is making folks end discusions abruptly and calling short these sharings of Ideas.

I've stated an incident earlier, where you totaly ruined a great topic in which I was asking for fact and oppinion with ULTIMATE GUIDE this that and the other thing.

You where also very rude to me and other posters, basicly saying we knew nothing because we never read this book.

And when your facts where confronted, you twisted them, to keep the conversation under your books rule.

As I said when I first logged on today, it's rude.

I don't wanna make an enemy here with you, I do however wanna second CyberBishop, and just say relax man, you'll enjoy here more if you do.

[Tramp]

Believe me, I don't take any of it personally.

[Liege Evilmus]

So basicly we should just take whatever they give us, never question it, and be happy with that cop out excuse!

I'm sorry but I'm a creative intelligent person, my intrest and dollar demand better than "Because we say so"

It isn't a "cop-out" excuse. They're trying to establsih some consistancy and link all of the realities—both US/UK and Japanese—together while still keeping each story and reality independent.

You reference Star Wars, I'm not realy a fan. But in what I've seen and read, no matter what the source, you can see very close attention to consistancy in all their stories.

There is still some inconsitancies, but they're relatively minor. Most of them are dealt with through retcons, and establishing which takes priority through a canon heirachy.

The same goes for Star Trek, DragonBall(they mastered it), TMNT, Macross, and well basicly anything Hasbro doesn't touch.

Well, Star Treak has it easy. Paramount only considers the TV shows and movies canon, and everything else apocrypha.

Their excuse in using a Multi-Verse, does the exact oposite of what you're claiming though. Instead of doing the harder work and keep one story line going in a growing way thats entertaining, they are very much giving you a cop out answer.

A Multi-Verse means they can just import whatever they want, or get whoever to write and draw up whatever for cheap. This also means when fans young and old ask "how does this make sense?" They can just say, well it's a new story that happened somewhre else, here, by some crap!

A true eveolving continum is much more difficult, and one thing I know about Hasbro, is that they do not like to work!

Hence the easiest, most profitable answer may as well be the best one as long as the rubes keep shelling out!

Untill they do better, I will continue to be content with my own Ideas, and read those of the other fans as realy, they pretty much are all more intresting.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

Please keep in mind, this is only how I work making sense of everything.

G1 through Japan is what it is. G2 is a step towards the evolution to The Beast Era, which began with a trip back in time.
For a short time Otimus Primal, carried Prime's spark. During this time, time itself warped creating a present in which RID occured.
Prime's spark was restored, the events of history went back to normal.
------------------------
Key side note, the sentient remains of Unicron, took advantge of this flux, and remined in the past, thehead cocooning into one of the moons to regenerate a new body. It's fractured planet side parts, spawned minicons like maggots.
------------------------------

Later BW megs took G1 Megs spark for a longer time creating another rift, with the unexpected into of things like minicons, this story becomes Armada, Energon, and Cybertron.

TF Classics are new bodies for tired G1 figures who don't want to give up the struggle, The Alts, are like a royal version of that.

The movie toys are new characters spawned from the sparks that touched Primus when he awoke....
-------------------------------------------
In all of this, 1 Primus, 1 Unicron(actualy he managed to split his body as I have 3, but he's the same guy in 1 universe).

All the different Primes and Megatrons and everyone else that have many figures, divide a portion of their spark off when ever a new body is built. It gives them individuality, but a shared mental kinship with others who share a piece of that spark.
---------------------------------------------
This isn't canon, it's just how my collection and the various stories make sense to me. Things like having a zillion of the same guy can get confusing. And the whole "alternate universe" thing is a cop out for writers to be lazy and just make it up as they go along instead of working on a single quality story.

Like it or lump it, thats all it is, my idea.

Your fan theory is very much like my own.
This is my fan theory/story: G1 U.S. toon till the return of Optimus Prime.Prime's return to life cause a ripple in the space time continum creating the Japanese universe as well as the Marvel Comics U.S universe and the U.K. universe

The Marvel U.K. time travel stories creates the Beast Wars universe.

Beast Wars: BW's Megatron trip is not only threw space and time but it crosses into the G1 toon Universe.

G1 Ravege's trip threw time to capture BW Megatron creates the Binetek/Alternators Universe.

Optimus Primal carring G1 Prime''s spark creates the RID universe but it is on going

BW'S megatron carring G1 Megatron creates the Armada Energon Cybertron Universes

Beast Wars ending ,leaving Waspernator in the past creates yet another rip in the universe and allowes for the Dream Wave/Classic universe when Megatron finds his remains.

Theres more but I'm to tired to type.

[Tramp]

I honestly don't believe that was their intention, Liege. More accuratetly they simply realized that the TF stories had already become too divergent between comic books and cartoons, that they couldn't make them all part of a single contimuing story, and had to estblish it as a multiverse in order for things to remain true and make sense. Think about it. The orignal G1 cartoons and comic books diverged very early simply because of the nature of the media, and the differences in their release scheduals (cartoons are weekly or daily, comics come out monthly), as well as the amount of story line and detail they can put in a given episode or issue. These differences are what initially lead to the divergences from the very beginning, and were unavoidable.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

So basicly we should just take whatever they give us, never question it, and be happy with that cop out excuse!

I'm sorry but I'm a creative intelligent person, my intrest and dollar demand better than "Because we say so"

You reference Star Wars, I'm not realy a fan. But in what I've seen and read, no matter what the source, you can see very close attention to consistancy in all their stories.

The same goes for Star Trek, DragonBall(they mastered it), TMNT, Macross, and well basicly anything Hasbro doesn't touch.

Are you a Treki as well?

[Liege Evilmus]

Believe me, I don't take any of it personally.

Cool, I'm not trying to say your wrong in what you believe. I'm just saying a one sided debate with no room for evolving ideas...

well, it's just no fun, and never goes anywhere.

Don Figuera(sorry if I spelt that wrong) is a member here. He's a talented man who works on TF material. Do you think when he reads a good idea here he doesn't ponder it, and maybe even share.

I only mention this to shaow the fact that ideas expressed in open forums can have an impact.

Quelling those ideas because of just one source and cancelling out that impact, is something that I can't help but see as wrong

[Liege Evilmus]

So basicly we should just take whatever they give us, never question it, and be happy with that cop out excuse!

I'm sorry but I'm a creative intelligent person, my intrest and dollar demand better than "Because we say so"

You reference Star Wars, I'm not realy a fan. But in what I've seen and read, no matter what the source, you can see very close attention to consistancy in all their stories.

The same goes for Star Trek, DragonBall(they mastered it), TMNT, Macross, and well basicly anything Hasbro doesn't touch.

Are you a Treki as well?

I'm not going to say yes, but I have seen the shows and the movies and for the most part thought they where all enjoyable. I feel bad for Enterprize, it was a good series and I think if it came out after this prequil movie, it would have done better.

I've always loved Cartoons, monsters, and robot. But outside of TFs, I don't realy follow to much sci-fi.

Don't get me wrong, I have alot of Gundam series, Evangelion, Macross, Spider-Man, Star Wars, Star Trek ect, ect, on DVD.

But I don't follow anything closely enogh outside of TFs to consider myself anything more than a guy who apreciates a good story.
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Also, Thank You for your support yesterday in the 9/11 thread.

[Tramp]

I'm not trying to quell any ideas. In fact, in a number of discussions I have put forth ideas which whle supported by canon, were not specifically shown as definately occuring, and having those theories shot down by individuals (who will not be named) who felt those were impossible and did have a very narrow view, to the point of wanting to completely exclude Japanese sources as well as DW and the Ultimate Guide simply because they did support the theories put forth, all because these individuals felt that they were right and would not accept a differing view or a new theory even when there was evidence which supported it though not prove it. If there are interesting ideas, and workable theories, I'm all for them. What I'm not all for is people saying that a personal idea overrides canon or that one personal view is right over another personal view even when that second view is supported by canon. I am not all for someone saying a canon source—no matter what that source is—doesn't matter and should be ignored. New ideas is fine, and I'm all for them. Telling someon that a canon source isn't canon and should be ignored is not fine.

[sto_vo_kor_2000]

I enjow those others as well but I'm a full blowen Trekie and a Dragon Ball nut and I've been reading comics since I was 6 years old.Its Amazing I've been married twice and have 3 confirmed kids.[ long story]