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Postby Tramp » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:10 pm

Damolisher wrote:See, THIS is why the Ultimate Guide is complete bullcrap. It tries to compeltely remove 20 years of Transformers history. NO-ONE can be stupid enough to ignore all 20+ years of history all because one little book wants to change everything.
Most of these changes were done long before the Ultimate Guide came out. They were established by 3H, Fun Publications, and Hasbro through the Bot Con Universe stories as well as the Universe storyline for the toys. The Ultimate Guide simply compiled this information. Secpondly it dosn't "chage" everything. It makes very minor adjustments to the TF's origins, not the main stories themselves.
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Postby Malicron » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:16 pm

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Damolisher wrote:See, THIS is why the Ultimate Guide is complete bullcrap. It tries to compeltely remove 20 years of Transformers history. NO-ONE can be stupid enough to ignore all 20+ years of history all because one little book wants to change everything.
Most of these changes were done long before the Ultimate Guide came out. They were established by 3H, Fun Publications, and Hasbro through the Bot Con Universe stories as well as the Universe storyline for the toys. The Ultimate Guide simply compiled this information. Secpondly it dosn't "chage" everything. It makes very minor adjustments to the TF's origins, not the main stories themselves.


Veary minor?!?!?!
I don't think you can call changing thier entier origen a "minor change".
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Postby Tramp » Sat Sep 08, 2007 7:33 pm

Whiner-tron wrote:
Tramp wrote:
Damolisher wrote:See, THIS is why the Ultimate Guide is complete bullcrap. It tries to compeltely remove 20 years of Transformers history. NO-ONE can be stupid enough to ignore all 20+ years of history all because one little book wants to change everything.
Most of these changes were done long before the Ultimate Guide came out. They were established by 3H, Fun Publications, and Hasbro through the Bot Con Universe stories as well as the Universe storyline for the toys. The Ultimate Guide simply compiled this information. Secpondly it dosn't "chage" everything. It makes very minor adjustments to the TF's origins, not the main stories themselves.


Veary minor?!?!?!
I don't think you can call changing thier entier origen a "minor change".
Saying the Primus and Uncron chose to take on planetary forms isntead of being trapped in them is pretty minor. Besides, the origins of the TFs have always been somewhat vague which allows for more updating and clarifying, as well as retcons.
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Postby tequila stu » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:05 am

OmegaMaximus wrote:RiD is it's own little world, nothing to do with G1/BW/BM. It basically goes:

G1 Era - G1/BW/BM

RiD

Unicron Trilogy - Armada/Energon/Cybertron

Animated


There may be many things shared or in common by more than one continuity, but they are all not connected.[/i]


Remember that Cybertron isn't meant to be lumped in with armada and energon.
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Postby Uniprimus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:14 am

Tramp:

Thank you for being patient and explaining things to me. :grin:

However, there are only 2 things I still don't understand:

1. Primus and Unicron in the Astral Plane. It says that, in Marvel Primal Scream, that they actually started out in tha Astral Plane, then Primus created a portal to lead them to the physical world, them he lead them into lifeless asterids. BUT, in TUG, it says that they each HAD bodies in the physical world WHILE they were in the Astral Plane. It doesn't sem like it is retconning Marvel, but this is what I don't understand.

2. I don't understand how Primus can exist in all (most) Cybertron through. If each universe is an ALTERNATE universe, how can they all be the same? Maybe if someone explains the Allspark a little better, I'll get it.
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Postby Liege Evilmus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 11:27 am

My genneral feeling about this is since the idea of 1 canon is a joke in the world of TFs with everything being a new begining or rehashing.

Follow what ever you think is right!

Some of us swear that G1 is the only thing that matters.
Others think the comics are the only thing that count.
Some think that as long as Furman sayes it it's law.
There are some who just look at all the stories as just that, stories, and make up our own.
And, the list goes on...

So realy the whole relation between Unicron and Primus(and TFs in general) starts becoming less of a factual thing, and starts becoming more of a prefrence thing as to what the individual thinks is right.

With alittle imaginiring all the different TF series can be made sense of, but still, at this point the idea of RIGHT in the world of TFs is a matter of preference.
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Postby Uniprimus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:15 pm

Yeahhh...

Can someone answer those questions?
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Postby Tramp » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:21 pm

Eradicator wrote:Tramp:

Thank you for being patient and explaining things to me. :grin:

However, there are only 2 things I still don't understand:

1. Primus and Unicron in the Astral Plane. It says that, in Marvel Primal Scream, that they actually started out in tha Astral Plane, then Primus created a portal to lead them to the physical world, them he lead them into lifeless asterids. BUT, in TUG, it says that they each HAD bodies in the physical world WHILE they were in the Astral Plane. It doesn't sem like it is retconning Marvel, but this is what I don't understand.

2. I don't understand how Primus can exist in all (most) Cybertron through. If each universe is an ALTERNATE universe, how can they all be the same? Maybe if someone explains the Allspark a little better, I'll get it.


IT's a multiverse—infinite universes parallel to each other, linked together by Primus and all threatened by Unicron. The retcon was that in Marvel, Primus trapped his and Unicron's spirits inside those planetoids, whereas now, they exist simultaneously in astral and physical form, not actually trapped. Their planet forms were chosen by both of them as their physical forms. Thus, rather than being trapped on the physical plane inside planetoids, they exist as both astral and physical beings by nature. The other change is that in Marvel, Primus could not transform, period. Now he can, he just chooses not to.
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Postby Night Striker » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:34 pm

Trying to answer logically

So if it was in a mental place, in Primal Scream, how does Primus lead Unicron through a portal into lifeless asteroids? DOes he create a 'bridge' to the physial world, then their 'spirit' selves go into the asteroids?


Remember they're supposed to be from the same source. He basically pulled Unicron through through this connection. The same way that Professor X does in the XMen. In Xmen he touches Jean's head to access her mind. Primus basically does the same thing, though he doesn't have to physically touch his brother becuase they share the same core source.

Tramp I thought he looked like a cross between several primes not just Rodimus.

So, then in the 'astral plane' is kinda ike their 'sparks' in the allspark?


Not really, the astral plane is it's own reality. It's kind of a limbo. The allspark is actually Primus' spark itself.

1. Primus and Unicron in the Astral Plane. It says that, in Marvel Primal Scream, that they actually started out in tha Astral Plane, then Primus created a portal to lead them to the physical world, them he lead them into lifeless asterids. BUT, in TUG, it says that they each HAD bodies in the physical world WHILE they were in the Astral Plane. It doesn't sem like it is retconning Marvel, but this is what I don't understand.

2. I don't understand how Primus can exist in all (most) Cybertron through. If each universe is an ALTERNATE universe, how can they all be the same? Maybe if someone explains the Allspark a little better, I'll get it.


1. How is this connected to Primal Scream. I suppose one could follow this line of thought. They started off in smaller bodies, and when those bodies were destroyed they put themselves on the astral planes so that they could keep flighting. Primus figured this would never end, so he trapped them both in the astroids which were later converted into planets. Makes sense?

2. The Allspark is like a center. A core if you will that is predisposed of many many many possiblities. Gosh, it's like...I wish I could remember the name of the show...but basically the Allspark can be seen as the center of the TF Universe. In this case it can create as many version of Prime as it wants to. Each one is a little different the the first one, but they all follow the same idea. That everyone should have freedom and should be allowed to have peace.

Think of it this way. The Allspark is like a spiders web. In the center you have the basic make up of the web. Then the spider spreads out and makes additions to it, each section of the web is not like the last. Just like each universe is no the same as G1 or Marvel comics. They all have the basic structure, but they're not built the same way. So the Allspark is like the spider that builds everything, and the webs are the universes that are connected to it.

Or more likely, think of it as a sun. There are planets that revolve around the sun. But no planet is the same. But they all have the same basic make up. The Allspark is the sun, and the planets are the universes.
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Postby Tramp » Sun Sep 09, 2007 4:42 pm

According the the designers, and, as specifically stated in the Ultimate Guide, Primus' Astral form is supposed to resemble Rodimus Prime.
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Postby Liege Evilmus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 5:56 pm

Eradicator wrote:Yeahhh...

Can someone answer those questions?


But my friend, you see thats just it. Since the question has been answered so many times in so many formats repeatidly, there no longer is just one answer.

The first mentioning of this had Unicron created by a small mamial called Primacon, and Primus was his assistant who fought Unicron, had his body destroyed, then put his lifeforce into the shell of the first Matrix and left into space.

The next staff of writers wanted to elaborate on that, but decided not to have Primacon at all using these two figures as godlike beings.

Primus was also supose to resemble and have a direct tie to Rodimus Prime, but that was phased out to.

Yet in the movie which was Unicron's first encounter with Cybertron, Unicron was going to spare him even though the comics (Marvel and DreamWave) both have specific instances of activity on Cybertron that signaled Unicron and pointed him in his direction :???:

So I say, with all the variety of answers, either just pick one, or work out your own.

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As for me, I came up with my own.

Primus, was initial built by a long forgotten highly advanced civilization. He wasn't planet sized then, but he was composed of the elements that we see on Cyberton. His brain SIGMA. Later Vector Sigma after the Quintessons found and modified it to work with a comand prompt ie The Key to Vector Sigma. The key was actualy a means created by Primus to keep try and keep the Quintessons form fully manipulating him.

The Plasma Core, which was like a heart. This later was elaborated into The Plasma Energy Chamber, wich for the same reasons as Vector Sigma needed a key to be activated.

Then the AllSpark, which was origionaly his own spark. I envision it as a crystal, not a cube. Still in an atempt to protect it, he created the keys to the previous two portions of himself. Before the Quintessons arrived, he had already broken off fragments of his spark and made a primitive type of robotic life.

He knew if the Quintessons could ever harness the full totality of the AllSpark a nightmare would be unleashed across the universe because...

As the civilization that initialy created him died. Primus went into a stasis state. For countless millenia he layed dormant.

This dormancy was broken however as a small creature, who was quite brilliant, herd rumors of this lost race and ventured to find their planet and secrets. He did suceed!

In the secrets he found, he was able to prolong his aging, which gave him more time to develope the sciences he found.

Another secret he found was a sleeping Primus who he awakened. Primus was more than eger to help this being as he hoped the sciences they toiled in would restore his home.

What he didn't realize was that the being was actualy begining to study him with plans of making an agent which would venture out and enslave worlds so he could then inhabit them and develope his science further, without interference.

Unicron was born.

Unicron determined to himself, that if he did as his creator demanded he would simply be Unicron the Conquirer. Howver he discovered, that if he consumed it's elements he could retain both it's knowledge and it's power, and become Unicron the Almighty!

Unicron chose not to serve, and rebelled against his creator who went into hiding.

Primus however saw Unicron's ambition, and engaged him in battle hoping to stop the wrong that he helped create.

This struggle transended time, space, and mind, and in the end left both increadibly damaged.

With the battles seeming end, Unicron fell adrift in space slowly consuming whatever crossed his path and began rebuilding himself.

Primus, gathered the reminats of himself and left into the depths of space as looking at the further battered remains of his home was something he could no longer deal with.

Adrift for time beyond meassure, he eventualy found a small primitive world that he settled and took root upon. He slowly intermingeled the last of his power with the planet's natural forces and became one with it.

Using the knowledge he acquired in his helping in the construction of Unicron, he began to merge with the planet itself, taking it as a new body.

Not looking to cross the line Unicron did though, he decided to mingle his escence with the existing life forms making the first Technorganic beings of a world that was becoming Cybertron.

He did this to commemorate the beings that created him, and not let their memory fade forever. He did this to, continue his love of science and life. He did this because...

... he was lonely.

From this point the story becomes more about the Cybertronians than Primus, but it does certainly go on.

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If any of you think this is a bunch of bull, that is completely fine.

However this is what works for me :PEACE:
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Postby Ratman_tf » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:01 pm

This is why I don't care for the comics much. Trying to tie all the different Transformers stories into one continuity with "multiverses" just makes things worse and more incoherent when the next "source" contradicts the multiverse explanation.

And so they stack another explanation on top of the multiverse explanation... it's just not worth it.
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Postby Liege Evilmus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:16 pm

Ratman_tf wrote:This is why I don't care for the comics much. Trying to tie all the different Transformers stories into one continuity with "multiverses" just makes things worse and more incoherent when the next "source" contradicts the multiverse explanation.

And so they stack another explanation on top of the multiverse explanation... it's just not worth it.


I find that relating them to the Beast Wars time tampering incidents clears that all up.

RID= Primes Spark in Primal. A very brief flux that had a hayday for the AutoBots.

The Unicron Trilogy= Megatrons Spark in Megatron II, a flux that gave way to beings like Unicron a chance to further manipulate the time distortion(especialy after witnnessing the effects of the first on the universe as a whole)

The Movie(figures only) are the product of Primus's spark creating a new raw type of TF based on the strongest veins of the AllSpark.

Animated, I hope just doesn't happen!
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Postby Ratman_tf » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:20 pm

Liege Evilmus wrote:Animated, I hope just doesn't happen!


See what I mean?

And what if the movie version ignores the whole Primus/Unicron angle and gives a different orign for the Allspark cube?
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Postby Liege Evilmus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:29 pm

Ratman_tf wrote:
Liege Evilmus wrote:Animated, I hope just doesn't happen!


See what I mean?

And what if the movie version ignores the whole Primus/Unicron angle and gives a different orign for the Allspark cube?


All I can do is agree which is why I move to the beat of my own drum!

I can try and make sense of Hasbro, Marvel, Takara, Paramount, SunBow, Cartoon Network, DreamWave, IDW, and all the other guys.

Or just say, hey, those are good stories, but in my collective, here's whats happening and why. Is it Canon, NO, but does it make me happy with what I have, YES!
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Postby Night Striker » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:34 pm

According to their own Movie guide...they're not. Apparently Cybertroian scientest have been trying for eons to figure out what the cube is and what the symbols mean. They thought in unlocking the code they could find a way to find out how they were made.

Why do I smell...cube =records of Primus and Unicron.

Liege Evilmus, that's a very intersting idea. Me I like the idea of Primacron and his Assistant and that being the first Primus. Also has there been any real explination to the oracle (the one in G1) and Oracle (BM)?
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Postby Liege Evilmus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 8:58 pm

Night Striker wrote:According to their own Movie guide...they're not. Apparently Cybertroian scientest have been trying for eons to figure out what the cube is and what the symbols mean. They thought in unlocking the code they could find a way to find out how they were made.

Why do I smell...cube =records of Primus and Unicron.

Liege Evilmus, that's a very intersting idea. Me I like the idea of Primacron and his Assistant and that being the first Primus. Also has there been any real explination to the oracle (the one in G1) and Oracle (BM)?


Thanks, it took a long time to write, and if you drone on to long here your posts will not display so I had to write and rewrite it several times.

I initial included The Oracle in my first ending if all that as a way for Primus to communicate directly with the origional inhabitands of Cybertron.

But after my third time writing it, I kinda got tired and just wrapped it up quick!

I'm glad you liked it though, again, to me it works.

Also, as I stated It took a long time to write and I got to the point where I was doing it in stages. Well if not for the effort I put in, I wouldn't care so much about critiques, but since I did it, I'd like to hear everyones possitives, negatives, and contributions that can maybe improve my personal stories.

Thanks!
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Postby Night Striker » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:25 pm

Yeah I've noticed that. I l've lost a lot when trying to post something lenghty. :sad:

Anyway critiques. Firstly this is brilliant.

Primus, was initial built by a long forgotten highly advanced civilization. He wasn't planet sized then, but he was composed of the elements that we see on Cyberton. His brain SIGMA. Later Vector Sigma after the Quintessons found and modified it to work with a comand prompt ie The Key to Vector Sigma. The key was actualy a means created by Primus to keep try and keep the Quintessons form fully manipulating him.

The Plasma Core, which was like a heart. This later was elaborated into The Plasma Energy Chamber, wich for the same reasons as Vector Sigma needed a key to be activated.

Then the AllSpark, which was origionaly his own spark. I envision it as a crystal, not a cube. Still in an atempt to protect it, he created the keys to the previous two portions of himself. Before the Quintessons arrived, he had already broken off fragments of his spark and made a primitive type of robotic life.

He knew if the Quintessons could ever harness the full totality of the AllSpark a nightmare would be unleashed across the universe because...

As the civilization that initialy created him died. Primus went into a stasis state. For countless millenia he layed dormant.


I love the way you wrapped the whole issue of Sigma up with Primus himself. I never thought of the idea of it being his brain, but it makes a lot of senes. I like also how you dealt with the Allspark. I thought it was a crystal myself too. The connections with the Quintesson is very unique, and it makes perfect sense why he fell to sleep.

I love the idea of someone finding him and working with him. Though I'd like to know more about this becuase to me it sounded as if the person was someone evil, and I wasn't sure if that's what he was or wasn't. Or if there was a connection to the Quintesson. I'd like to know more about this being. Who is it?

Um the technorgaic, how does that work? Some details there would be very helpful. I like though the reasons behind primus finding the world. It was quite sad and made me want to hug him.

That's all I can think of for now.
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Postby Tramp » Sun Sep 09, 2007 9:28 pm

I've never lost anything when I tried poosting a lengthy post and got that, "No Post Specified" message. I simply clicked back and hit toe send button again and it went through fine. 8)
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Postby Uniprimus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:11 pm

Night Striker wrote:Trying to answer logically

So if it was in a mental place, in Primal Scream, how does Primus lead Unicron through a portal into lifeless asteroids? DOes he create a 'bridge' to the physial world, then their 'spirit' selves go into the asteroids?


Remember they're supposed to be from the same source. He basically pulled Unicron through through this connection. The same way that Professor X does in the XMen. In Xmen he touches Jean's head to access her mind. Primus basically does the same thing, though he doesn't have to physically touch his brother becuase they share the same core source.

Tramp I thought he looked like a cross between several primes not just Rodimus.

So, then in the 'astral plane' is kinda ike their 'sparks' in the allspark?


Not really, the astral plane is it's own reality. It's kind of a limbo. The allspark is actually Primus' spark itself.

1. Primus and Unicron in the Astral Plane. It says that, in Marvel Primal Scream, that they actually started out in tha Astral Plane, then Primus created a portal to lead them to the physical world, them he lead them into lifeless asterids. BUT, in TUG, it says that they each HAD bodies in the physical world WHILE they were in the Astral Plane. It doesn't sem like it is retconning Marvel, but this is what I don't understand.

2. I don't understand how Primus can exist in all (most) Cybertron through. If each universe is an ALTERNATE universe, how can they all be the same? Maybe if someone explains the Allspark a little better, I'll get it.


1. How is this connected to Primal Scream. I suppose one could follow this line of thought. They started off in smaller bodies, and when those bodies were destroyed they put themselves on the astral planes so that they could keep flighting. Primus figured this would never end, so he trapped them both in the astroids which were later converted into planets. Makes sense?

2. The Allspark is like a center. A core if you will that is predisposed of many many many possiblities. Gosh, it's like...I wish I could remember the name of the show...but basically the Allspark can be seen as the center of the TF Universe. In this case it can create as many version of Prime as it wants to. Each one is a little different the the first one, but they all follow the same idea. That everyone should have freedom and should be allowed to have peace.

Think of it this way. The Allspark is like a spiders web. In the center you have the basic make up of the web. Then the spider spreads out and makes additions to it, each section of the web is not like the last. Just like each universe is no the same as G1 or Marvel comics. They all have the basic structure, but they're not built the same way. So the Allspark is like the spider that builds everything, and the webs are the universes that are connected to it.

Or more likely, think of it as a sun. There are planets that revolve around the sun. But no planet is the same. But they all have the same basic make up. The Allspark is the sun, and the planets are the universes.


OHHHHH, so they each HAD PHYSICAL bodies BEFORE that, so they had bodies, they were destroyed so them they remained in the astralplane, then they got new bodies
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Postby Tramp » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:15 pm

That's her theory, it isn't supported by canon. According to canon, they reshaped their physcial forms into planets themselves after being created. allowing them to travel throughout the multiverse and observe creation.Thus, they have always been a part of both the Astral and physical planes.
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Postby Damolisher » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:22 pm

Neither are yours in most of your arguments. Let her have HER say.
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Postby Uniprimus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:29 pm

You know what, I have HAD it with the Primus HAVING existng in all universes and 1 Unicron in the multiverse. It retconns out so many things than if you fanretonned this concept out. Let's see what this concept retconns:

G1
IDW
Movie
Animated(possibly)
RID
G1 movie
Headmasters
Probably others that I can't think of

So if one took away this concept, it would retcon:

Balancing Act
Universe
...

So I'd say without this concept outweighs the keeping it A LOT. So if TF continues the next ?? amount of years, many of them probably will leave this concept out. And I don't think TUG really implied that concept...

(forgive me if I just left any out on the list, as I am VERY tired...)

Plus, I sorta undertrand the astral plane thing, but not a whole lot...
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Postby Liege Evilmus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:36 pm

Night Striker wrote:Yeah I've noticed that. I l've lost a lot when trying to post something lenghty. :sad:

Anyway critiques. Firstly this is brilliant.

Primus, was initial built by a long forgotten highly advanced civilization. He wasn't planet sized then, but he was composed of the elements that we see on Cyberton. His brain SIGMA. Later Vector Sigma after the Quintessons found and modified it to work with a comand prompt ie The Key to Vector Sigma. The key was actualy a means created by Primus to keep try and keep the Quintessons form fully manipulating him.

The Plasma Core, which was like a heart. This later was elaborated into The Plasma Energy Chamber, wich for the same reasons as Vector Sigma needed a key to be activated.

Then the AllSpark, which was origionaly his own spark. I envision it as a crystal, not a cube. Still in an atempt to protect it, he created the keys to the previous two portions of himself. Before the Quintessons arrived, he had already broken off fragments of his spark and made a primitive type of robotic life.

He knew if the Quintessons could ever harness the full totality of the AllSpark a nightmare would be unleashed across the universe because...

As the civilization that initialy created him died. Primus went into a stasis state. For countless millenia he layed dormant.


I love the way you wrapped the whole issue of Sigma up with Primus himself. I never thought of the idea of it being his brain, but it makes a lot of senes. I like also how you dealt with the Allspark. I thought it was a crystal myself too. The connections with the Quintesson is very unique, and it makes perfect sense why he fell to sleep.

I love the idea of someone finding him and working with him. Though I'd like to know more about this becuase to me it sounded as if the person was someone evil, and I wasn't sure if that's what he was or wasn't. Or if there was a connection to the Quintesson. I'd like to know more about this being. Who is it?

Um the technorgaic, how does that work? Some details there would be very helpful. I like though the reasons behind primus finding the world. It was quite sad and made me want to hug him.

That's all I can think of for now.


Again Thanks!

As forPrimacon being evil, I always figured him as a being caring neither about good or evil. He was just someone pursuing knowledge and its evolution.

Kind of like one of those doctors or scientists from the Twilight Zone.

The outcome was all that mattered to him, the discovery, and the next step to all of it. The ramifications of today where nothing in luu of the bigger picture.

This was what he saw in the race that created Primus's origional form which made him seek this long forgotten world out.

Still he ignored the facts of thats civizations demises. If he didn't he would have seen that such ambition can lead to a very steep downfall.

It was also that same type of ambition that he instilled in Unicron that led him to revolt.

Primus however already experienced this, and was humbled to the fact.

Reguarding Sigma, The Plasma Core, and the AllSpark,he was a being on the brink of doom. When he settled, his essence stayed in tact, but his remaining parts scattered turning mineral veins into synaptic nerves, and like I stated, began rebuilding himself with the knowledge he aquired from assisting in Unicron's creation.

As for the Technorganic aspect. Even in the days of G1, the depest layers of Cybertron had an earthlike organic stone center. He didn't chose a metalic world to settle upon.

Instead he found a primal uncivilazied world which he wanted to merge with and create a balance between it's organic life and his own technological one.

Slowly his being turned mineral to circitry. It was a slow process that allowed the existing animal life to adapt, and become Technorganic. and eventualy lead to a sentient race which was the balance of the two, a series of cybernetic being.

Think of it like this, if you are what you eat, then you adapt to the food source around you. If water becomes electrolized, than trees feed off it and ingest the minerials than are having their metallic qualities enforced....

Than over the natural course of evolution, especialy with a being who does not want to overload any spicies with drastic change at the helm, animals will adapt.

Irons begin to outgrow protiens.

Keep in mind(again to me) none of this was an overnight process.

In all this a new sentience was being born. A new balance began to form between what was, what arrived, and what will come.

However when the Quintessons(who I do not relate to Unicron) stumbled upon this world, they enslaved and enforced the technological side, and all but phased out the organic.

And again, this does go on, if only to me...

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As for giving him a hug, dispicable as I may be, I've always felt that was something no one was ever to big for!
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Postby Liege Evilmus » Sun Sep 09, 2007 10:57 pm

Tramp wrote:That's her theory, it isn't supported by canon. According to canon, they reshaped their physcial forms into planets themselves after being created. allowing them to travel throughout the multiverse and observe creation.Thus, they have always been a part of both the Astral and physical planes.


You know after I did a total and realized I could buy a house if I sold my collecyion(and not a small one either) I myself decided that TF "CANON" ment nothing, as I payed for and own what I have.

I respect the BIO's(sometimes), but feel I can do a better job going my own way.

When you consider that the third part of "The Unicron Trilogy" wasn't even ment to have anything to do with the previous two series, I can't help but have these actual series enforce that ideal!

And to say that "well in this story all that doesn't mean ****..."(you've stated no source so I'm not being accusing) That only furthers it!

In short, I don't know who HER is, but if she has her own thing going so be it if it works.

If your looking for CANON, well good luck because at this point your not gonna find it.
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