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Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Transformers G1 1985 Cosmos (Adams) (Reissue) Gallery


Transformers G1 1985 Cosmos (Adams) (Reissue) Gallery

The top does seem tall compared to the G1 original.

it's about 1/4 taller than the animation model it's patterned after, which is taller than the original toy.

The taller body also makes it loose its visual reference to the infamous ufo fakes the design was based on

It is fun seeing this process though and looking at the rough prototypes.

It's a shame that it uses the color scheme of the fan-colored Ukrainian model.

The saucer mode is still too tall. It looks good in robot mode so I'll probably get it, but this figure is far from a great piece.

I want that cosmos, but due to the Bullcrap that is the exclusivity of the Velocitron line, I may never be able to get it at normal retail.

MCutter wrote:That Origins Bee version of Cosmos is definitely a "What could have been." The proportions of the alt-mode they ended up with just look wrong to me; like a trash can on a pitcher's mound.

Are you really willing to sacrifice the bot mode for a kinda better, but not great saucer mode? I'm not.


For me the saucer is "good enough" and the bot mode is nearly perfect. I don't think I would have been very happy with a skinny, lanky Cosmos just so he'd have an objectively better alt mode. The top of the saucer being off center on the proposed figure would have always bugged me.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

MCutter wrote:That Origins Bee version of Cosmos is definitely a "What could have been." The proportions of the alt-mode they ended up with just look wrong to me; like a trash can on a pitcher's mound.

Are you really willing to sacrifice the bot mode for a perfect saucer mode? I'm not.


For me the saucer is "good enough" and the bot mode is nearly perfect. I don't think I would have been very happy with a skinny, lanky Cosmos just so he'd have an objectively better alt mode. The top of the saucer being off center on the proposed figure would have always bugged me.

Emerje

It not being a circle would have bugged me too

Maybe I'll just wait it out for the eventual retool in two years, since this is Walmart Exclusive and I've not had that great of luck finding them anyway. Definitely not paying the after market price for it though!

Behind-the-Scenes Mark has confirmed that Override is the exact same situation as Cosmos was in terms of starting as a retool until Takara stepped in, originally based this time on SS86 Hot Rod (which explains/confirms the early leak): https://www.instagram.com/p/CfcoUaVuAhk ... MyMTA2M2Y=

Takara need to step in more

"This is a great example of what Legacy is all about, who would of thought we’d dig deep into the ol Cybertron series eh"

Dig deep? Override is not some deep-cut obscure Cybertron character. She was one of the series main characters. A Convoy, no less. Digging deep would have been if they'd made someone like Signal Lancer, a cartoon-only cameo character who never got a toy. Or a toy-only character like Hardtop or Shortround.

Sabrblade wrote:"This is a great example of what Legacy is all about, who would of thought we’d dig deep into the ol Cybertron series eh"

Dig deep? Override is not some deep-cut obscure Cybertron character. She was one of the series main characters. A Convoy, no less. Digging deep would have been if they'd made someone like Signal Lancer, a cartoon-only cameo character who never got a toy. Or a toy-only character like Hardtop or Shortround.

Ha, yeas, Override is not what I would call a deep cut into Cybertron lore.


Maybe if it had been, I don't know, Coby Ramble or Longrack... maybe..

I had read another article that Cosmos has some Huffer in there, somewhere.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Behind-the-Scenes Mark has confirmed that Override is the exact same situation as Cosmos was in terms of starting as a retool until Takara stepped in, originally based this time on SS86 Hot Rod (which explains/confirms the early leak): https://www.instagram.com/p/CfcoUaVuAhk ... MyMTA2M2Y=

So I guess that means these'll be getting released in Japan like the Netflix line did previously. We'll probably see pre-orders within a month. If we're getting two entirely new molds from Takara Tomy this "late" (after Hasbro mocked up their own versions) wave one then I can only imagine what we're getting in series 2 with this much lead time. That Leader could be an entirely new figure.

Emerje

Nemesis Primal wrote:Behind-the-Scenes Mark has confirmed that Override is the exact same situation as Cosmos was in terms of starting as a retool until Takara stepped in, originally based this time on SS86 Hot Rod (which explains/confirms the early leak): https://www.instagram.com/p/CfcoUaVuAhk ... MyMTA2M2Y=

At least now we have clear confirmation on who to blame for Cosmos being weird looking. lol

Till-all-R1 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Behind-the-Scenes Mark has confirmed that Override is the exact same situation as Cosmos was in terms of starting as a retool until Takara stepped in, originally based this time on SS86 Hot Rod (which explains/confirms the early leak): https://www.instagram.com/p/CfcoUaVuAhk ... MyMTA2M2Y=

At least now we have clear confirmation on who to blame for Cosmos being weird looking. lol

As weird looking as he is, he's still probably better then howvthe bee retool would have looked

Possibly true, although Hasbro has worked wonders before with slight retools so I think it could have been done better than that "mock up" we've seen earlier in the thread. I would be interested in the exact reasoning for Takara's decision here though because I think the housing is too tall and want to know how they "didn't see it" as it's very obvious. Perhaps they simply didn't want a retool for Cosmos but also wasn't expecting the final product to look like it does? Surely they have concept designs and stages of development to oversee/approve?

ZeroWolf wrote:

Till-all-R1 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Behind-the-Scenes Mark has confirmed that Override is the exact same situation as Cosmos was in terms of starting as a retool until Takara stepped in, originally based this time on SS86 Hot Rod (which explains/confirms the early leak): https://www.instagram.com/p/CfcoUaVuAhk ... MyMTA2M2Y=

At least now we have clear confirmation on who to blame for Cosmos being weird looking. lol

As weird looking as he is, he's still probably better then howvthe bee retool would have looked

He certainly looks more Sunbow-accurate than the Bee retool would have been. Whether that makes it "better" is subjective.

Cosmos's awkward shape is most likely due to the fact that his proportions change between robot and vehicle mode in the cartoon. In robot mode, his torso is larger than his limbs, while in vehicle mode, his limbs enlarge to become his saucer body, which is much bigger than the tower that becomes his robot torso.



They simply skewed more towards robot mode accuracy in this case, like they did the same for Generations Tankor back in Thrilling 30. His toy focused more on making an accurate robot mode without allowing for any of the "morphing" his CG models does to become his vehicle mode.

Sabrblade wrote:Cosmos's awkward shape is most likely due to the fact that his proportions change between robot and vehicle mode in the cartoon. In robot mode, his torso is larger than his limbs, while in vehicle mode, his limbs enlarge to become his saucer body, which is much bigger than the tower that becomes his robot torso.



They simply skewed more towards robot mode accuracy in this case, like they did the same for Generations Tankor back in Thrilling 30. His toy focused more on making an accurate robot mode without allowing for any of the "morphing" his CG models does to become his vehicle mode.

It almost looks to me like they tried to improve on the bot mode, and the saucer mode suffered because of it. From the model, his torso is a bit shorter than what we got for bot mode on the toy. That area specifically is the problem. If they went with a shorter bot torso, more like the model, then saucer mode doesn't look as much like a trash can with a skirt.

Makes sense for a Generations Cosmos toy. To be 100% toon accurate in both modes, a 100$+ Masterpiece is needed.

I wonder what a Masterpiece cosmos would look like by Takara Would they use fold panels with the limbs (keeping the tower the same size through alt and bot mode) or would it be the torso that changed using faux parts? At this rate they may get to him in 10 years+

ZeroWolf wrote:I wonder what a Masterpiece cosmos would look like by Takara Would they use fold panels with the limbs (keeping the tower the same size through alt and bot mode) or would it be the torso that changed using faux parts? At this rate they may get to him in 10 years+

3P tackled him a few times with great success. But Takara may still fail considering the horrible, horrible Bee 2.0.

The Shadow Striker and crasher rumors are juicy. Those are 2 characters I really want to see happen, and hopefully they happen well. Especially Shadow Striker. I loved her in Cyberverse

Hasbro said that the Velocitron Speedia 500 line would be up for preorder at Walmart in July, but In Demand Toys says that these toys will be sent to retailers then, since that's when they are getting their product, so they might be seen on shelves at the same time as the preorder is up. They posted the stock images sent to retailers and these show the toys in packaging. You can see the images below. Pretty cool to see Diaclone mentioned as an actual Universe by Hasbro.