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Oh, and for the record, it was never an attempt to grasp a female audience. The reason female Transformers were brought in was to quash any potential sexism claims from parents.

I would have thought any girls would have been watching it already, if they where going to. And Arcee in that film, that would have stopped many girls from watching it....

And why's that? at least Arcee kicks arse. All Female Transformers are warriors, except for that retarded excuse for a Decepticon Thunderblast in Cyubertron.

Man, Arcee was totally useless, she didnt do much fighting, almost got left behind when they launched the ship, she stopped Daniel from being killed(why oh why) only to abandon him 5 minutes later in the heat of battle. What more do you need?

I also hate Thunderblast.

femmes are cool but why with the genders? Also I don't think they did that to get girls into Transformers. Parents however shouldn't be worried about there being no femmes because...The men Transformers have eachother if they get lonely! rlofl! I think that is hilarious ha ha ha! On with the subject now arcee I haven't seen many episodes with her...also I think that it was cute that some Transformers have girlfriends except Powerglide I don't like him

Yeah. Why do you need chicks that do nothing in a war? You need warriors. And the occasional medic. Arcee at least tried to fight. (And failed, given.) But Thunderblast, Euuuuuuch. I hope they don't try anything like her ever again.

I try to pretend Thunderblast dosnt exist.

I bet so would most people, but we've got Moonunit Zappa still alive ready to remind us of valley girls anyway.

Wow so much to reply to.

on with seekers when the two seekers Thundercracker and Skywarp get thrown off of Astro-train and recarnated into Cyclonus and who I forget does know hmm.......

Scourge, and the sweeps were Shrapnal, Kickback, and Bombshell.

What romance? There was no romance, simply "Oh, we're boyfriend and girlfriend." Not really romance per se. Oh, and for the record, it was never an attempt to grasp a female audience. The reason female Transformers were brought in was to quash any potential sexism claims from parents.

Um...Damolisher, no offense, but since when did you study animation or the market of Childrens television programing. A large portion, even more then half of the viewing audinence of cartoons is female. One of the reason why they put in the female transformers was becuase they wanted to, not for the sake of sexism, becuase they felt there should be some females that kick butt just as much as the boys did. And there was romance, have you watched the Search for Alpha Trion, Infiltator, Desertion of the Dinobots, Sea Change, the girl that loved powerglide, or any of the TF movie? There were hints all over of various romances going on.

I would have thought any girls would have been watching it already, if they where going to. And Arcee in that film, that would have stopped many girls from watching it....Man, Arcee was totally useless, she didnt do much fighting, almost got left behind when they launched the ship, she stopped Daniel from being killed(why oh why) only to abandon him 5 minutes later in the heat of battle. What more do you need?

I also hate Thunderblast.

Um...coming from a girl...fact is while we liked the TF, we also liked having femmes we could relate to. My friends and I would play TF all the time at school. I was actually Elita one a lot of the time. No actually it brought in more girls. Arcee was an awesome shooter, she saved Hot Rods ass many times, not to mention the fact that she helped Springer and has become a fan favorite. She led to the awesomeness of BA and Airrazor. And why she was late to the ship, she was providing cover fire for the others. The reason we see her running is becuase she's keeping the Con's off their backs. And she's the only one who's shots actually nailed the cons in the movie!

Thunderblast...*shudders* Be glad she was toned down in the dub, she was far worse in the Japanese edition.

femmes are cool but why with the genders? Also I don't think they did that to get girls into Transformers. Parents however shouldn't be worried about there being no femmes because...The men Transformers have eachother if they get lonely! rlofl! I think that is hilarious ha ha ha! On with the subject now arcee I haven't seen many episodes with her...also I think that it was cute that some Transformers have girlfriends except Powerglide I don't like him

So why the male nature of Transformers then. Why not make them all like I Robot. Neither male nor female. But no, we have male personalities. Well why not then female personalities. It's like saying that females don't need to exist in sea horses. THey did it becuase they wanted to show different version of Transformers and that they're not all the same.

Yeah. Why do you need chicks that do nothing in a war? You need warriors. And the occasional medic. Arcee at least tried to fight. (And failed, given.) But Thunderblast, Euuuuuuch. I hope they don't try anything like her ever again. I bet so would most people, but we've got Moonunit Zappa still alive ready to remind us of valley girls anyway.

Um, medics, messengers, other postions that happened. Damolisher look up WW I and II you'll see the role that women played was quiet important. They needed bots to work the planet, the femmes probably did it. Arcee again didn't fail, I don't know what episodes you've watched but the ones I've seen her in show her to be a very solid fighter. Who the heck is Moonunit Zappa?

Night Striker wrote:

What romance? There was no romance, simply "Oh, we're boyfriend and girlfriend." Not really romance per se. Oh, and for the record, it was never an attempt to grasp a female audience. The reason female Transformers were brought in was to quash any potential sexism claims from parents.

Um...Damolisher, no offense, but since when did you study animation or the market of Childrens television programing. A large portion, even more then half of the viewing audinence of cartoons is female. One of the reason why they put in the female transformers was becuase they wanted to, not for the sake of sexism, becuase they felt there should be some females that kick butt just as much as the boys did. And there was romance, have you watched the Search for Alpha Trion, Infiltator, Desertion of the Dinobots, Sea Change, the girl that loved powerglide, or any of the TF movie? There were hints all over of various romances going on.

Um, medics, messengers, other postions that happened. Damolisher look up WW I and II you'll see the role that women played was quiet important. They needed bots to work the planet, the femmes probably did it. Arcee again didn't fail, I don't know what episodes you've watched but the ones I've seen her in show her to be a very solid fighter. Who the heck is Moonunit Zappa?

Wow, I didn't know Tramp was married. The females in Transformers are warriors. And I said that in order to be useful they'rd HAVE to BE warriors or medics, and I was agreeing with Tangent, and I don't see her being a useful warrior. Who'd she beat? No-one. And don't bloody questino my goddamn knowledge. I do my research, and I know for a fact the only reason females were in Transformers was to prevent Sexism claims. And you can say what you want about female audiences, but why would half of Transformers' audience be females when it's a cartoon marketted at boys?

Wow, I didn't know Tramp was married. The females in Transformers are warriors. And I said that in order to be useful they'rd HAVE to BE warriors or medics, and I was agreeing with Tangent, and I don't see her being a useful warrior. Who'd she beat? No-one. And don't bloody questino my goddamn knowledge. I do my research, and I know for a fact the only reason females were in Transformers was to prevent Sexism claims. And you can say what you want about female audiences, but why would half of Transformers' audience be females when it's a cartoon marketted at boys?

Okay now that was way low. I asked you a serious question there. Have you ever seriously studied animation or the marketing of it? Because I have, it was going to be my major. I've been studying to be a writer, I read and talk to writers a lot, and most if not all, feel that females in a story provide, not only for much needed showing of other sides of a character, but allow for a maternial feeling. One of the key things about Arcee was that she was, in essence, the mother figure becuase Carly wasn't there. Unlike most shows it gave a maternal figure in Arcee.

I"m not questioning your knowledge I was asking you if you at all studied animation and how its marketed. Who did she beat? Does she have to be shown beating someone to be a great hero? Well how about the fact that she managed to get them out of danger, save Hot rods butt. Girls watch the series because they thought it was cool. And also because it had more drama in it then some other series.

Night Striker is correct. Also, it was the toy line which was marketed to boys. The cartoon is marketed to children in general, and the TV producers want as big an audience they can get. Thus, they sek to target both boys and girls whenever they can.

Damolisher wrote:Yeah. Why do you need chicks that do nothing in a war? You need warriors. And the occasional medic. Arcee at least tried to fight. (And failed, given.) But Thunderblast, Euuuuuuch. I hope they don't try anything like her ever again.

Okay, not all Transformers would be wariors. No mater who you personaly think made them (Quintesons, Primus, ext.) ALL continuities say the 'bots and 'cons used to be one big, happy robo-family. In this state there would be much less need for wariors, so it is not only posible but likely that many Transformers are not in any way inclined to war.

Whiner-tron speaks true. Transformers serve many different roles, as many roles as there is in any society. They're warriors, engineers, artists, medics, doctors, reporters, construction workers, administrators, politicians, cops, salesmen, you name it. They aren't all warriors and medics. There are civilians too.

Exactly as Tramp and Whinertron said. Sideswipe and Sunstreaker were both a merchant and an artist before the war. Prime was a factory worker, other bots did other jobs. No it might not be as gung ho as them clashing, but it could be just as interesting.

Heck Starscream was a scientest for crying out loud. The main point of the show was to gather an audience to view the toys in action. G.I. Joe was also a series who's toys were marketed at boys, but I don't see anyone questioning the fact that there were several key females in that series. So why all the complaining and insisting that the females and males for that matter have to be warriors?

Amazons were warriors but they were also oddly enough nuturing mothers and also had regular jobs too which allowed their society to grow and thrive for years!

I would just like to point out another example of tf's that are not warriors.

Paradron.

That planet is not at war, but is populated by tf's from Cybertron with peaceful intentions that had no interest in fighting. And even when they were given the choice 'Fight or Flee', they all chose to flee instead of fight.

Only the Decepticons is the real warrior race.

OK, looks like I'm gonna have to whip out the big letters here for this one because everyone seems to misunderstand what I said:


FEMALE TRANSFORMERS IN ANY MEDIUM HAVE ONLY BEEN MEDICS AND WARRIORS. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SHOWN, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TOLD.

Far out.

Damolisher wrote:OK, looks like I'm gonna have to whip out the big letters here for this one because everyone seems to misunderstand what I said:


FEMALE TRANSFORMERS IN ANY MEDIUM HAVE ONLY BEEN MEDICS AND WARRIORS. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE SHOWN, THIS IS WHAT WE ARE TOLD.

Far out.

That does not mean that is all they can be.Also, no, that is not all female transformers have been. There was a little female Autobot motorcycle in Cybertron, who was nothing but a civilian. She was neither a warrior nor a medic. Wreckgar's consort, Nancy, was also not a warrior nor was she a medic. Therefore, that statement is not true.

Grrrrrrr. Do you ever read anyone's posts properly, or is it just like when you're posting your so-called facts- you only read the words you want to? I said that all we are SHOWN is that they are Warriors and/or medics. All Junkions are shown to be built as medics, since all the ones we see repair Springer and Ultra Magnus. They're also formaidable warriors made of junk. And I don't recall this so-called civilian female motorbike, so maybe I'm wrong in that instance. But generally, it's medics or warriors.

Night Striker wrote:
Um...coming from a girl...

Sorry, but what? Just because I am a girl, it dosnt mean I need to like a female charicter. Arcee just annoys me, I find her too much like a last minute addition to the cast. It is good that they have fembots for girls to relate to I guess, but at the time I watched it rather than thinking, "Oh a girl, now I can relate" I was busy thinking, "Why is the only girl baby pink and silly" Or something to that effect, it was a long time ago...
Now looking back, I still think it was an odd choise to add only one girl in the movie, it makes her kind of unique, but in a sort of bad way....

And I am telling you no, not all shown were medics of warriors. That little female Autobot motorcycle from Cuybertron was neither a warrior nor a medic. She was just a civilian who liked to wander in the desert. She was the one who thought she had found the Atlanis Seal in the desert where she liked to explore, but it turned out to be a fake. The episode in question is Search. She is one of the "Migrant Transformers".

Fine, the MAJORITY are shown to be warriors or medics. Happy?

(Yeah Right.)

Damolisher wrote:(Yeah Right.)

Just becuse you write it small dosn't meen we don't know you're insulting someone.

Yeah, uh, can you stop trying to tell other people off? You're not a mod. Thank you.

And I wasn't "Insulting" anyone. I admitted I was wrong, but I reckon I'll STILL get corrected on my point.