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Point wrote:

El Duque wrote:As someone who has the Games of Deception set, I would be upset if Dirge, Thrust, and TC ended up getting a mass retail release. Then again I've been able to enjoy all my seekers for almost two years now. Guess it's a wash.

Sounds more like sour grapes...

Ya gotta love all these folks who were just sooooo positive we would never see these released now eating cyber-crowacon. I think this proves that with TakaraTomy, ANYTHING is possible. Hell, we could see evil Prime and good Megatron at some point over there. The bottom line is TakaraTomy OWNS the Transformers and will do whatever the hell they want with them and all the cybergeeks in the world saying stuff like, "Well Botcon owns those Thrust wings outright so we will never see Thrust," is asinine. Granted, they have a healthy respect for fandom, putting these last 4 Seekers out proves that. And having said that, I don't think they would ever license regular, popular characters to be Botcon exclusives. It's just insane. Now if only they would reign in the increasingly large sets being sold at Botcon. At this rate, by 2010 the sets will be up to 100 figures.

No offense, and maybe I'm just tired, but for some reason I had to stop reading this thread at your post because you seem to be acting like a huge weiner. I thought this thread was the tamest and most charitable I've ever seen a discussion on this topic, and then, as one who also owns the Botcon set, I come away from your post with the labels "asinine" and "insane" simply for thinking that something sold as an EXCLUSIVE would actually remain EXCLUSIVE. That's why many like me bought the Botcon set in the first place...

I think you'll find, though, that most of us Botcon buyers are happy that others can get their hands on these, especially since they're different enough from the Botcon set. But I also think that having a bit of sour grapes over the whole lack of exclusivity thing is no cause to be basically referred to as a whiny, insane ass. But, if me "eating cyber-crowacon" is how you equalize the collector's market, then .

Again, maybe I'm just too tired to be replying right now, but your comments left a bad taste in my mouth. Or maybe it's just the crow.

TFBuyer wrote:

Point wrote:

El Duque wrote:As someone who has the Games of Deception set, I would be upset if Dirge, Thrust, and TC ended up getting a mass retail release. Then again I've been able to enjoy all my seekers for almost two years now. Guess it's a wash.

Sounds more like sour grapes...

Ya gotta love all these folks who were just sooooo positive we would never see these released now eating cyber-crowacon. I think this proves that with TakaraTomy, ANYTHING is possible. Hell, we could see evil Prime and good Megatron at some point over there. The bottom line is TakaraTomy OWNS the Transformers and will do whatever the hell they want with them and all the cybergeeks in the world saying stuff like, "Well Botcon owns those Thrust wings outright so we will never see Thrust," is asinine. Granted, they have a healthy respect for fandom, putting these last 4 Seekers out proves that. And having said that, I don't think they would ever license regular, popular characters to be Botcon exclusives. It's just insane. Now if only they would reign in the increasingly large sets being sold at Botcon. At this rate, by 2010 the sets will be up to 100 figures.

No offense, and maybe I'm just tired, but for some reason I had to stop reading this thread at your post because you seem to be acting like a huge weiner. I thought this thread was the tamest and most charitable I've ever seen a discussion on this topic, and then, as one who also owns the Botcon set, I come away from your post with the labels "asinine" and "insane" simply for thinking that something sold as an EXCLUSIVE would actually remain EXCLUSIVE. That's why many like me bought the Botcon set in the first place...

I think you'll find, though, that most of us Botcon buyers are happy that others can get their hands on these, especially since they're different enough from the Botcon set. But I also think that having a bit of sour grapes over the whole lack of exclusivity thing is no cause to be basically referred to as a whiny, insane ass. But, if me "eating cyber-crowacon" is how you equalize the collector's market, then .

Again, maybe I'm just too tired to be replying right now, but your comments left a bad taste in my mouth. Or maybe it's just the crow.

As the guy accused of having a case of "sour grapes" it bothered me as well. I have no problem with the Henkei releases of these figures, and I am glad that this puts these figures in the hands of more collectors. I merely suggested that I would be upset if the Botcon seekers ended up getting a mass US retail release. Reason being I paid 280.00 to complete my seekers and a mass release would have allowed me to complete them for about 30.00. In the same post I conceded that I've had my seekers for two years and that pretty much made up for the high price I paid.

WOW! I've not checked out this site for a few days and I log in today to find out that I've finally got the chance to complete my seekers collection
I think I'll be getting them from ebay when they're released. I guess I'd better start saving now!!

TFBuyer wrote:you seem to be acting like a huge weiner.

That really made me laugh! Props to you

El Duque wrote:As the guy accused of having a case of "sour grapes" it bothered me as well. I have no problem with the Henkei releases of these figures, and I am glad that this puts these figures in the hands of more collectors. I merely suggested that I would be upset if the Botcon seekers ended up getting a mass US retail release. Reason being I paid 280.00 to complete my seekers and a mass release would have allowed me to complete them for about 30.00. In the same post I conceded that I've had my seekers for two years and that pretty much made up for the high price I paid.

Yeah, I thought you were pretty reserved and fair with your take on the whole thing. You've sort of summed up my feelings on the whole fiasco, too. Some people apparently just like being right and then reminding everybody about it.

Geekee1 wrote:

TFBuyer wrote:you seem to be acting like a huge weiner.

That really made me laugh! Props to you

Not happy I had to say it, but glad you got a kick out of it! Anyone should feel free to quote me if they really want the word "weiner" in their sig!

TFBuyer wrote:

El Duque wrote:As the guy accused of having a case of "sour grapes" it bothered me as well. I have no problem with the Henkei releases of these figures, and I am glad that this puts these figures in the hands of more collectors. I merely suggested that I would be upset if the Botcon seekers ended up getting a mass US retail release. Reason being I paid 280.00 to complete my seekers and a mass release would have allowed me to complete them for about 30.00. In the same post I conceded that I've had my seekers for two years and that pretty much made up for the high price I paid.

Yeah, I thought you were pretty reserved and fair with your take on the whole thing. You've sort of summed up my feelings on the whole fiasco, too. Some people apparently just like being right and then reminding everybody about it.

Realistically if when the Botcon set was announced they had issued a disclaimer that stated these figures would be available two or three years down the line I would have still bought them. Foolish perhaps, but worth it to me anyway.

Looks like I'm gonna have to say this again--


What an awesome year for Transformers!!!!

Wow. I like to see these!

El Duque wrote:

TFBuyer wrote:

El Duque wrote:As the guy accused of having a case of "sour grapes" it bothered me as well. I have no problem with the Henkei releases of these figures, and I am glad that this puts these figures in the hands of more collectors. I merely suggested that I would be upset if the Botcon seekers ended up getting a mass US retail release. Reason being I paid 280.00 to complete my seekers and a mass release would have allowed me to complete them for about 30.00. In the same post I conceded that I've had my seekers for two years and that pretty much made up for the high price I paid.

Yeah, I thought you were pretty reserved and fair with your take on the whole thing. You've sort of summed up my feelings on the whole fiasco, too. Some people apparently just like being right and then reminding everybody about it.

Realistically if when the Botcon set was announced they had issued a disclaimer that stated these figures would be available two or three years down the line I would have still bought them. Foolish perhaps, but worth it to me anyway.

I've paid a lot of money to assemble the Botcon 07 set, and this occured to me, but no one else seems to be saying it at all.

These are Classics Seekers, or Henkei Seekers, or whatever you want to call them. But this Thundecracker, Dirge and Thrust, are NOT the Botcon Seekers, so we should really ditch the complaining all around. Not saying you guys are, but I'm just saying. Henkei TC is Henkei TC, and Botcon TC is Botcon TC, they are not the same. When people talk about finally getting Henkie Seekers, that's exactly what they're getting.....it's like getting Hasbro Cybertron Megatron to finish your Galaxy Force collection.....you have Megatron, but it's not quite the Galaxy Force MEgatron. We Botcon owners still own the Botcon seekers, so what really seems to be for debate is price and not the items. So, that's pretty lame.

Just ordered these from Fan2Fan, $48(USD) each and $25 approx for worldwide shipping.

any colour pics of these 2 yet peps?
i wanna take a gd look at these wings

My guy for Japan items has asked that I post his price of $130 US for both including shipping to North America.

Contact at bodhar2000@hotmail.com. for those would rather deal thru ebay he'll be listing the under http://myworld.ebay.com/bodhar2000/ for $135 later on.

sweet mite look him up, later

Dagon wrote:I've paid a lot of money to assemble the Botcon 07 set, and this occured to me, but no one else seems to be saying it at all.

These are Classics Seekers, or Henkei Seekers, or whatever you want to call them. But this Thundecracker, Dirge and Thrust, are NOT the Botcon Seekers, so we should really ditch the complaining all around. Not saying you guys are, but I'm just saying. Henkei TC is Henkei TC, and Botcon TC is Botcon TC, they are not the same. When people talk about finally getting Henkie Seekers, that's exactly what they're getting.....it's like getting Hasbro Cybertron Megatron to finish your Galaxy Force collection.....you have Megatron, but it's not quite the Galaxy Force MEgatron. We Botcon owners still own the Botcon seekers, so what really seems to be for debate is price and not the items. So, that's pretty lame.

I said something very similar when Henkei TC was announced. For some reason, some people preferred to believe that the Henkei version had RUINED FOREVER!!!! their Botcon set.

Mind, you have to remember there were some people who insisted that Henkei versions of these characters would never happen, and anyone who even suggested they might was some sort of deluded heretic who didn't understand how HasTak works.

Sledge wrote:Mind, you have to remember there were some people who insisted that Henkei versions of these characters would never happen, and anyone who even suggested they might was some sort of deluded heretic who didn't understand how HasTak works.

I haven't said anything on this matter yet, my opinion on the matter is well documented, though I do have these new figures pre-ordered already. In short, I've always said it was nigh impossible for these toys/figures to see a post-BotCon release. Then, after talking with FunPub directly and finding out it was possible, I still didn't think it would happen based on 10 years of it not previously happening.

Here's the thing about this release that is so odd, that Takara is going to the length of making new molding for these figures. All things considered, the one thing I have learned in all of this is that the line of explanation Hasbro gives to us in regards to production and costing information is just not credible.

Counterpunch wrote:

Sledge wrote:Mind, you have to remember there were some people who insisted that Henkei versions of these characters would never happen, and anyone who even suggested they might was some sort of deluded heretic who didn't understand how HasTak works.

I haven't said anything on this matter yet, my opinion on the matter is well documented, though I do have these new figures pre-ordered already. In short, I've always said it was nigh impossible for these toys/figures to see a post-BotCon release. Then, after talking with FunPub directly and finding out it was possible, I still didn't think it would happen based on 10 years of it not previously happening.

Here's the thing about this release that is so odd, that Takara is going to the length of making new molding for these figures. All things considered, the one thing I have learned in all of this is that the line of explanation Hasbro gives to us in regards to production and costing information is just not credible.

Bingo. Go back and read what Hasbro answered to most of those BotCon questions and you'll see that most of the answers were blatant lies. I remember when someone asked about reissue Soundwave, they answered it would cost too much and never see a release. Someone with their knowledge of figure costs and pricing should have known a better answer than that. I'll never buy a BotCon again because they simply proved to me that there really is no reason to buy one (this doesn't mean I won't attend BotCon, but there is no reason to buy one, though I'm sure I said if I'd buy it just to sell it on e-bay I'd get a **** storm of responses calling me a scalper).

GetterDragun wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Sledge wrote:Mind, you have to remember there were some people who insisted that Henkei versions of these characters would never happen, and anyone who even suggested they might was some sort of deluded heretic who didn't understand how HasTak works.

I haven't said anything on this matter yet, my opinion on the matter is well documented, though I do have these new figures pre-ordered already. In short, I've always said it was nigh impossible for these toys/figures to see a post-BotCon release. Then, after talking with FunPub directly and finding out it was possible, I still didn't think it would happen based on 10 years of it not previously happening.

Here's the thing about this release that is so odd, that Takara is going to the length of making new molding for these figures. All things considered, the one thing I have learned in all of this is that the line of explanation Hasbro gives to us in regards to production and costing information is just not credible.

Bingo. Go back and read what Hasbro answered to most of those BotCon questions and you'll see that most of the answers were blatant lies. I remember when someone asked about reissue Soundwave, they answered it would cost too much and never see a release. Someone with their knowledge of figure costs and pricing should have known a better answer than that. I'll never buy a BotCon again because they simply proved to me that there really is no reason to buy one (this doesn't mean I won't attend BotCon, but there is no reason to buy one, though I'm sure I said if I'd buy it just to sell it on e-bay I'd get a **** storm of responses calling me a scalper).

Aren't the figures included in the price of going to the convention? I don't know, since I don't attend, but I thought that's how it worked.

Counterpunch wrote:
Here's the thing about this release that is so odd, that Takara is going to the length of making new molding for these figures. All things considered, the one thing I have learned in all of this is that the line of explanation Hasbro gives to us in regards to production and costing information is just not credible.

Personally, I think Hasbro probably shared the cost of the new molds with TakaTomy, and will release versions of them in Universe. They've already hinted they can release some version of Thrust, Dirge, and TC in Universe, so I believe that is what will eventually happen with these molds.

Yeah, as far as Hasbro being credible,
look at the Classics figures in general...

I still cannot believe that someone/some group for Hasbro truly thought that there would NEVER be a time to release more Classic, G1 characters...
considering the low number of deluxe and voyager molds in those first waves,
that idea, statement, whatever, just makes zero sense.

I just hope for everyone's benefit, that Hasbro never releases any original-to-G1 characters in Botcon sets again.

MagnusPrimal wrote:Aren't the figures included in the price of going to the convention? I don't know, since I don't attend, but I thought that's how it worked.

Basic entrance fee was $10.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Yeah, as far as Hasbro being credible,
look at the Classics figures in general...

I still cannot believe that someone/some group for Hasbro truly thought that there would NEVER be a time to release more Classic, G1 characters...
considering the low number of deluxe and voyager molds in those first waves,
that idea, statement, whatever, just makes zero sense.

I just hope for everyone's benefit, that Hasbro never releases any original-to-G1 characters in Botcon sets again.

See, I would like as an "Exclusive", a figure that was really cool, maybe a G1 reissue, painted a color resembling an obscure G1 Cartoon character. Kind of like an e-hobby version. But I would like it to be an Exclusive and not eventually released in Japan.

Here's the way I see it. I haven't had the time to read this whole thread to see if anyone else said it, but here goes:

1 ) There are (will be) two Starscreams on the Classics mold - the one that came out with the original Classics run, and the one coming out soon with more "traditional" Starscream colors. They are distinct, and recognizeably not the same. Thus, they are two different versions, etcetera etcetera.

2 ) The decos and shades, etc, on the Henkei Seekers are different from the BotCon exclusives. They are distinct from each other (though you'd either have to know which is which, or have them side by side to tell), so therefore they are definitely not the same.

There will be BotCon versions of the Seekers, and Henkei versions of the Seekers. 'Nuff said. You BotCon attendees will have your special versions, while the rest "will have to settle for" the Henkei version.

Can we get on with life now?

GetterDragun wrote:

MagnusPrimal wrote:Aren't the figures included in the price of going to the convention? I don't know, since I don't attend, but I thought that's how it worked.

Basic entrance fee was $10.

That's not really true though.

You can get in for $10 in General Admission which basically lets you into the dealer room. Only by paying the $180 for the true basic no-toy package or $280 for the box-set toy package are you allowed to go to the actual events like the panels, interviews, and discussions.

Also, the $10 admission lets you in halfway through on Saturday meaning you missed most of the event and ALL the good deal room stuff.

At least that took care of the myth about the difficulty in modifying existing figures.

It also took away some of the "exclusivity" of Botcon.

That's how i look at it.