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Bonecrusher-522 wrote:All im going to say is that the movie was great and the best movie i ever seen. I never doubted this movie for a second. Cant wait for part 2. Michael Bay is god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bonecrusher-522 wrote:All im going to say is that the movie was great and the best movie i ever seen. I never doubted this movie for a second. Cant wait for part 2. Michael Bay is god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
homelessjunkeon wrote:Anyone else noticed that ryan seems to have these advertising bots all over the forums ever since the advertisers started selling movie merchandise?(quote related)
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
moldavite wrote:The movie's disturbing American nationalism showed in the treatment of the hispanic soldier. I've worked with many hispanic men and women. And I can tell you, that unlike this soldier, they only spoke spanish to someone they knew understood the language. This guy just speaks it to everyone and is then told to stop. Sounds like a jab at anyone who doesn't speak the national language, English. So is this movie saying that all immigrants are supposed to completely assimilate and forget their language and roots? Do those behind this movie, including Michael Bay, have a beef with Hispanics.
moldavite wrote:And the treatment of the Indian Call Center employee was disturbing as well. Yes, many United State's jobs have been transported overseas and that has become a problem here. But the life of these Indian employees is no cake walk. I have read about the long hours they have to work and the abuse they have to take under their employers. Maybe this Indian employee should have been treated in a more humane and sensitive manner instead of as an obnoxious and uncaring person?
moldavite wrote:I don't mind Sam and the military assisting the Autobots, but not at the expense of the Autobot's heroism.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Nice post.I'll start with saying welcome to Seibertron and
Warning!!!!! Seibertron Contains Nuts.!!!!!!!!
And I'll just touch on a few things.moldavite wrote:The movie's disturbing American nationalism showed in the treatment of the hispanic soldier. I've worked with many hispanic men and women. And I can tell you, that unlike this soldier, they only spoke spanish to someone they knew understood the language. This guy just speaks it to everyone and is then told to stop. Sounds like a jab at anyone who doesn't speak the national language, English. So is this movie saying that all immigrants are supposed to completely assimilate and forget their language and roots? Do those behind this movie, including Michael Bay, have a beef with Hispanics.
As I said I am "hispanic" even thou I look "Irish" and I cant tell you how many times an other hispanic person switch to spanish while talking to me and others knowing well that no one understood them.
Most were shocked to find out that I understood them.moldavite wrote:And the treatment of the Indian Call Center employee was disturbing as well. Yes, many United State's jobs have been transported overseas and that has become a problem here. But the life of these Indian employees is no cake walk. I have read about the long hours they have to work and the abuse they have to take under their employers. Maybe this Indian employee should have been treated in a more humane and sensitive manner instead of as an obnoxious and uncaring person?
But have you ever called any of those "Call centers" for tech support????Face it....wether the life of these Indian employees is a cake walk or nor....most of the experances'es that I have with them when I need to call them are very simular to the events of the film [besides the explosions] I normally have to go threw two different guys and then a supervisor just to figure out how to his the start button.
The way I see it the events of those scenes were just a reflection of simular events in the real world.moldavite wrote:I don't mind Sam and the military assisting the Autobots, but not at the expense of the Autobot's heroism.
I didnt feel that the Autobots were any less heroic.....just less effective.Needing the help of the human military is not a sign of the movie bots lacking heroism...at best it was a sign that they were incompetent.
moldavite wrote:So I'm a nut for wanting to address this movie's blatant racism, sexism, and nationalism?
moldavite wrote: Last I knew, I was living in the more enlightened and tolerant 21st century. I guess not.
moldavite wrote:You have had different experiences with Spanish speaking people and Indian call center employees than I have. Though I have not found the advice of the Indian call center employees to be helpful, I could tell by the tone of their voice and their determination that they were trying their best to help me. They weren't being obnoxious and indifferent as the Indian worker was stereotypically portrayed in the movie. They simply did not have the training, knowledge of U.S. culture, and mastery of the English language to be of more assistance.
moldavite wrote:Ok, less competent might have been a better term. But I still find it unsettling that the military was portrayed as being the most effective and competent ones over a race of far more advanced robots. Doesn't just scream bad plot device and the diminishing of this movie's supposed-to-be heros: the Autobots. It screams military propaganda being used in this film as a brainwashing recruitment tool.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
moldavite wrote:So I'm a nut for wanting to address this movie's blatant racism, sexism, and nationalism? Last I knew, I was living in the more enlightened and tolerant 21st century. I guess not.
You have had different experiences with Spanish speaking people and Indian call center employees than I have. Though I have not found the advice of the Indian call center employees to be helpful, I could tell by the tone of their voice and their determination that they were trying their best to help me. They weren't being obnoxious and indifferent as the Indian worker was stereotypically portrayed in the movie. They simply did not have the training, knowledge of U.S. culture, and mastery of the English language to be of more assistance.
jboyler2 wrote:When I was downrange, I once had to question a man about an accused insurgent. The man said, with a totally straight face, "He is a murderer, and so he must be a Jew."
And you think the Transformers movie is racist? What is wrong with you?
How about you go visit Sadr City, and then come back and tell me what you think is racist?
Pathetic.
Stop trolling.
-J
Dark Zarak wrote:jboyler2 wrote:When I was downrange, I once had to question a man about an accused insurgent. The man said, with a totally straight face, "He is a murderer, and so he must be a Jew."
And you think the Transformers movie is racist? What is wrong with you?
How about you go visit Sadr City, and then come back and tell me what you think is racist?
Pathetic.
Stop trolling.
-J
You know what? Please.
1. He's not trolling to come on here and state his opinion. Trolling would be to come on and constantly berate people and nothing else.
2. Why can't he be upset about profiling in the movie? Of course Sadr City in a war zone is going to contain much worse, and dangerous, racism. But stereotyping in our culture is still not something that should be ignored.
At the risk of sounding like an asshole, I'm sick of people saying "There's worse, so shut up." Only if people are acting like those worse things aren't so bad, which I in no way mean to do here, is it necessary to turn problems into a contest.
I have never experienced war, and I know I can't grasp the enormity of what you must have seen. Of course Sadr City is worse. If anyone debates that, they're crazy. But it's almost apples and oranges to use it in this case.
Racism like that exists in the US. All over. The reason people get upset over little stereotypes is because they are a symptom of that very same racism. We are simply mad that the TF movie of all things contained words like mammie. We are mad that it had to stoop way lower than it needed to for a summer blockbuster, and be part of the problem. Bringing war stories and examples of much worse problems into the issue is like using a bulldozer to remove a mailbox.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:Nice anaolgy but let m ask you this.......why do words like "Mammie" have to be considered stereotypical when used by a black character any more then the word "Nana" when used by a white character or "Wela" when used by a hispanic????
There all "term's of endearment" for the name "grandmom" for different ethnic back grounds.I'm from Brooklyn and of mixed Hispanic and Afro-American decent and I grew up surrounded by black kids that called their grandmothers "Mammie" and white kids that called their grandmothers "Nanny or Nana".Not to mention what we called our grandmother being mostly Hispanic.
When is it not a "stereotype" but just a reflection of cultural differences that do in fact exist in todays world???
Dark Zarak wrote:
It appears that I misunderstood mammie. I thought it was derogatory term for an old lady.
Dark Zarak wrote:But however it goes, Moldavite's point still stands that black people were shown to be obnoxious unless in the military.
And my point still stands that stereotyping is important to pay attention to.
Predaprince wrote:I am very thankful to have posters like sto_vo_kor_2000 who is so energetic about improving others' understanding and enjoyment of the TF universe
Stormrider wrote:You often add interesting insights to conversations that makes the fledglings think and challenges even the sharpest minds
T-Macksimus wrote:I consider you and editor to be amongst the most "scholarly" in terms of your knowledge, demeanor and general approach
Dark Zarak wrote:I think you read too deeply into my point.
I of course agree with you. The whole movie was obnoxious, even Lennox's baby for God's sake.
I only mentioned the black guys who were obnoxious because they were already the subject matter of the discussion. The other obnoxious people were just not relevant to the point at that time.
It's a matter of semantics I think.
Dark Zarak wrote:I think you read too deeply into my point.
I of course agree with you. The whole movie was obnoxious, even Lennox's baby for God's sake.
I only mentioned the black guys who were obnoxious because they were already the subject matter of the discussion. The other obnoxious people were just not relevant to the point at that time.
It's a matter of semantics I think.
***Galvatron*** wrote:Fox Mulder ? ummm, your meds must be lapsing!![]()
moldavite wrote:Nope, I'm not on any medication. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I have a margarita about once every four months. I'm as sober as they come. I'm NOT joking! What I tell you is the truth. Mulder and Scully will be in TF2! Just wait and you'll see....
***Galvatron*** wrote:How in the hell is a newborn baby that's in a movie for two minutes defined as "obnoxious" ? That's so far out there I can't even fathom that right now.
Pottermus_Prime wrote:oooooooooooo, so he responds to your exact words, and he's reading too much into it, but you see a couple of so called obnoxious people who happen to be foa different colour and that means the film is racist.
Burn wrote:I'd consider the baby fart joke to be a poor not very funny joke, but obnoxious? nah.
For me, if something's obnoxious it's hard to ignore. That joke? Actually forgotten about it until it was brought up. But again, that's just me.
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