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Seibertron wrote:skywarp-2 wrote:GALVATRON'S DEATH WAS A COPOUT..Skyfire survived worse cold conditions and was resurrected..
didn't Galvatron come back in the Beast Wars series??
Different Galvatron. Not the same character.
Convotron wrote:Seibertron wrote:I can assure everyone that there's quite a few official folks that visit this site on a regular basis from Hasbro, IDW, the various DVD companies, Paramount, etc.
One of the greatest compliments I ever received about Seibertron.com was an unintentional compliment from Hasbro CEO Brian Goldner's 10 year old daughter at BotCon 2007. Brian introduced me to his daughter, told her I was the owner of Seibertron.com, and then she stated "That's the website you check out every night before you go to bed!" Brian blushed/grinned, whatever. It was a true highlight in my Seibertron.com life. One of the greatest compliments I could receive without it actually being a compliment.
This is so cool! The honest truth is that there are many fan communities with forums and sites out there but I haven't come across any that match seibertron.com for its site layout and content(the photo galleries are second to none) and more importantly, the community is just awesome.
Mkall wrote:skywarp-2 wrote:Bottom line, you need to work for Hasbro to submit an idea and effect designs and changes us Transformers fans want to see...My inside connection isn't going to give me tidbits anymore.. he's much too busy keeping his job in this recession, and I don't blame him..
That's not entirely true.
The animated figures that we'll be getting around Christmas are due to fan requests. Universe returning was due to fan demand, as was Onslaught repainted as Hardhead.
A single person's voice doesn't mean jack all to any industry, Hasbro, Marvel, Coca-Cola, Ford yadda-yadda. The only way to get our voices heard is to speak as a chorus.
Rastamus Prime wrote:Mkall wrote:skywarp-2 wrote:Bottom line, you need to work for Hasbro to submit an idea and effect designs and changes us Transformers fans want to see...My inside connection isn't going to give me tidbits anymore.. he's much too busy keeping his job in this recession, and I don't blame him..
That's not entirely true.
The animated figures that we'll be getting around Christmas are due to fan requests. Universe returning was due to fan demand, as was Onslaught repainted as Hardhead.
A single person's voice doesn't mean jack all to any industry, Hasbro, Marvel, Coca-Cola, Ford yadda-yadda. The only way to get our voices heard is to speak as a chorus.
Exactly, strenght in numbers. Hasbro has no choice but to take some decisons from its fanbase and consumer community, because it is us who keep them going. They cater to us in a way, and loosing us means mye-bye Hasbro.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:All we are is a jar of infinite ideas, and if an idea is viable, Hasbro "steals" it in a sense.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:If you're thinking about fans only, you're wrong.
That's a very common mistake, in fact it's still the kids and parents who Hasbro mainly cater to, not us. We represent a tiny fraction of the total consumers (15 to 20% I think), but a large enough portion to be heard and taken into consideration. All we are is a jar of infinite ideas, and if an idea is viable, Hasbro "steals" it in a sense.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Rastamus Prime wrote:Mkall wrote:skywarp-2 wrote:Bottom line, you need to work for Hasbro to submit an idea and effect designs and changes us Transformers fans want to see...My inside connection isn't going to give me tidbits anymore.. he's much too busy keeping his job in this recession, and I don't blame him..
That's not entirely true.
The animated figures that we'll be getting around Christmas are due to fan requests. Universe returning was due to fan demand, as was Onslaught repainted as Hardhead.
A single person's voice doesn't mean jack all to any industry, Hasbro, Marvel, Coca-Cola, Ford yadda-yadda. The only way to get our voices heard is to speak as a chorus.
Exactly, strenght in numbers. Hasbro has no choice but to take some decisons from its fanbase and consumer community, because it is us who keep them going. They cater to us in a way, and loosing us means mye-bye Hasbro.
If you're thinking about fans only, you're wrong.
That's a very common mistake, in fact it's still the kids and parents who Hasbro mainly cater to, not us. We represent a tiny fraction of the total consumers (15 to 20% I think), but a large enough portion to be heard and taken into consideration. All we are is a jar of infinite ideas, and if an idea is viable, Hasbro "steals" it in a sense.
But who knows for how long? Social acceptance for hobbies that involve what are tradtitionally viewed as "childish" is changing. With the surge of popularity in the mainstream of portions of popular culture like comic books, video games, and toys/action figures/collectibles, more people are either rekindling their interest as I have or we see the next generation like my neices and nephews, grow up in a culture that shows acceptance for these hobbies. Financial worth often is tied into the idea of validity so one could point out that blockbuster successes like some of the comic book movies and toyline based movies are breaking sales records are not one time oddities. There is certainly a trend in the repeated financial success of "geek" related properties.
SentinelA wrote:My opinion is very simple and self-centered. If it's something that will complete or enhance my collection I'm all for it. This goes for knock-offs as well. I see Hasbro and Takara as somewhat clueless as to what the oldschool fans really what. If they won't make or reissue things like G1 Mirage, Shockwave, or trailers for Classics Prime and Ultra Magnus, screw em! To me Third Party Merchandise focus on the fan whereas the establishment (Hasbro/Takara) does not so they can stand a little more competention.
El Duque wrote:I don't know this to be true, but the reason Takara seems more open to fan/collector oriented items is probably because in the Asian markets TF's are marketed more to adults than children. Also I believe Hasbro has stated that adult collectors/fans only make up around 12% of their sales. Again I don't know that to be absolutely accurate, but I've been hanging around these boards for years and that's what I seem to recall.
Convotron wrote:That's my understanding, El Duque. Look at the large market for various collectible items in the Asian market, not just Japan. I compare that to my own experience here in Canada and collecting models, action figures, etc. is still a fairly niche hobby.
Convotron wrote:One of the things I appreciate the most is the attitude in Japan towards media like manga and animation. The open view on the validity of those formats allows proliferation of really unique stories that push the envelope of creativity. I'm reading 20th Century Boys and it's very intriguing. Naoki Urasawa has such great ability to play with the reader's expectations. I've heard about Monster but haven't read it yet. On the other end of the manga spectrum, I'm digging Jojo's Bizarre Adventure and its follow up series. I'm currently checking out Steel Ball Run.
Sorry for momentary de-railing, now back to your regularly scheduled thread.
Counterpunch wrote:My head hurts from all the generalizing about Japan...
Counterpunch wrote:My head hurts from all the generalizing about Japan...
Actually, it isn't generalizing. I have a friend who was born and raised ethnic Japanese, and from what he tells me, Japan as a whole is vastly different from other countries even in this age of of globalization. No matter how many Macdonalds' joints you see in Tokyo, it really isn't another New York.
Manga and anime for grown-ups is a concept invented by the Japanese. They know to differentiate between "kid stuff" and adult material (no, I don't mean AV). To them animation is just another medium of entertainment. The rest of the world, however, seems to be of the idea that anything animated has to be for children.
That said, manga-reading, PVC-figure-collecting otaku are still considered outcasts of society. Then again, these guys do go overboard.
Bottomline: As long as your room isn't filled to the ceiling with anime figures, DVD's and manga, you can go ahead and collect a few TF's, build the odd Gundam, and you're well within the "non-otaku" zone of Japanese society.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I'm more for the 90's manga artists like Shirow Masamune and Yukito Kishiro. IMO, these guys brought some much-needed respect to manga in foreign countries.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Counterpunch wrote:My head hurts from all the generalizing about Japan...
Actually, it isn't generalizing...
Rastamus Prime wrote:Not true, America has used animation cartoons for adults as well. Family Guy, South Park, King of The Hill, Simpsons, American Dad! All those shows are for adults and use cartoon animation. Same with video games, you don't see bright, happy kids playing GTA.
SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Counterpunch wrote:My head hurts from all the generalizing about Japan...
Actually, it isn't generalizing. I have a friend who was born and raised ethnic Japanese, and from what he tells me
Counterpunch wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Counterpunch wrote:My head hurts from all the generalizing about Japan...
Actually, it isn't generalizing. I have a friend who was born and raised ethnic Japanese, and from what he tells me
Stop right there.
I'm sorry, but second hand stories about Japan and broad generalizations about a country and culture based upon their pulp fiction does not work for me.
Tell me the Japanese like smaller Transformers because they typically have smaller living spaces. Fine, we can see examples of this.
Tell me that long commutes to work help to create and grow the manga pocket-book phenomenon. Fine. Makes sense.
Taking one example of culture/lifestyle and making it apply to the 'people' as a whole is nuts.
That's all I'm saying.
Counterpunch wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:Counterpunch wrote:My head hurts from all the generalizing about Japan...
Actually, it isn't generalizing. I have a friend who was born and raised ethnic Japanese, and from what he tells me
Stop right there.
I'm sorry, but second hand stories about Japan and broad generalizations about a country and culture based upon their pulp fiction does not work for me.
Tell me the Japanese like smaller Transformers because they typically have smaller living spaces. Fine, we can see examples of this.
Tell me that long commutes to work help to create and grow the manga pocket-book phenomenon. Fine. Makes sense.
Taking one example of culture/lifestyle and making it apply to the 'people' as a whole is nuts.
That's all I'm saying.
Convotron wrote:Very true! I'm a fan of both creators. I read through Appleseed and Orion repeatedly when I was a kid. I really liked Gunm up until Ashen Victor but after that story arc, the stories became increasingly "emo".
Convotron wrote:I have a similar understanding from my experience with my own Japanese friends and their families. It's not as if Japan is otaku land but there is definitely a more open view on manga, anime, and other media.
Convotron wrote: Rastamus Prime wrote:Not true, America has used animation cartoons for adults as well. Family Guy, South Park, King of The Hill, Simpsons, American Dad! All those shows are for adults and use cartoon animation. Same with video games, you don't see bright, happy kids playing GTA.
Good point but notice that the examples of American animated shows that cater to adults have 1 thing in common: They're all comedic satire. It's rare for animated work in North America to be catered to adults outside of comedy. However, Beast Wars and TFA are examples within Transformers that have increased the depth and quality of story content in cartoons.
Rastamus Prime wrote:Demographically speaking, yes fanboys/girls "otaku?" of the stuff you stated can get overboard and be very well be outcasted. But it all boils down to the things you do other than that. And people can get wierd. What separates the normals from the wierds is personality. I'm social, and fun to be around. If you didn't see my room, you'd never know I collect Transfomers (god I say it like it's a bad thing.) Let's put it this way, I'd rather be a big TF fan than some kind of sociapathic ass hat.
Convotron wrote:SKYWARPED_128 wrote:I
Actually, it isn't generalizing...
I have a similar understanding from my experience with my own Japanese friends and their families. It's not as if Japan is otaku land but there is definitely a more open view on manga, anime, and other media.Rastamus Prime wrote:Not true, America has used animation cartoons for adults as well. Family Guy, South Park, King of The Hill, Simpsons, American Dad! All those shows are for adults and use cartoon animation. Same with video games, you don't see bright, happy kids playing GTA.
Good point but notice that the examples of American animated shows that cater to adults have 1 thing in common: They're all comedic satire. It's rare for animated work in North America to be catered to adults outside of comedy. However, Beast Wars and TFA are examples within Transformers that have increased the depth and quality of story content in cartoons.
I remember The Raccoons, a Canadian cartoon series from the 80s, used to be on reruns a lot in the 90s and it dealt with a lot of "grown up" issues if you look past the cartoon visuals. I loved that cartoon. I also remember Rock & Rule, which is also from the 80s but I saw it on DVD. The lovely Debbie Harry sings in it...Lou Reed and Iggy Pop are in the movie too.
Jeep! wrote:Why do I imagine Dead Metal sounding exactly like Arnie?
Intah-wib-buls?
Blurrz wrote:10/10
Leave it to Dead Metal to have the word 'Pronz' in his signature.
Dead Metal wrote:Plus those shows are apart from King of the Hill and South Park still pretty new, if it weren't for the Japanese
and their adult orientated cartoons those shows would never have had a chance.
Convotron wrote:Good point but notice that the examples of American animated shows that cater to adults have 1 thing in common: They're all comedic satire. It's rare for animated work in North America to be catered to adults outside of comedy. However, Beast Wars and TFA are examples within Transformers that have increased the depth and quality of story content in cartoons.
I remember The Raccoons, a Canadian cartoon series from the 80s, used to be on reruns a lot in the 90s and it dealt with a lot of "grown up" issues if you look past the cartoon visuals. I loved that cartoon. I also remember Rock & Rule, which is also from the 80s but I saw it on DVD. The lovely Debbie Harry sings in it...Lou Reed and Iggy Pop are in the movie too.
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