The Energon Pub

So Insurgent, am I right in thinking that Sam sacrifices himself to stop Tidal Wave?


Knight Shift, I love the idea of "mutations", that their gestalt forms are not originally possible. Interesting idea.


What do people think? Should we have the un-intended mutation gestalt of several individual characters, or the one character that splits into many vehicles?


People should list any issue they have, and their sides.

Should the dinobots be dinosaurs?
Should there be gestalts and who?
Should there be Galvatron? Unicron?


Update coming soon.

i am personally am really fond of TheKnightShift's script idea. I could also see the artificial Allspark having a more sinister function... but that would/could lead to Unicron...
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Should the Dinobots be dinosaurs? I'ld think there intro as them could be good, but as TKS is mentioning mutations from the other allspark... maybe they get mutated with some military vehicles making a more mechanized alt with Dino features later. Almost as triplechangers. I'm sure some defense company would love to demo 3 - 4 of there armored vehicles, and then give swoop a chopper or jet of some sort.

Concern... mutation means double CGI cost for models. Perhaps one or two Dinos don't make it in for cost. Sludge, or Snarl may be a casualty from a fight in protoform...

Should there be gestalts and who?

As TKS used Devestator... i'm fine with it. Bruticus could be used instead, but i'ld rather see him in 3 when Starscream attempts semi-successful coupe.

Concern... are six mechs, each bigger than OP, really needed to make the combiner? The CGI cost and time for character development are priority here. Also the bigger the combiner the bigger the dinobots would need to be... and i'ld like the other Autobots to atleast seem useful in this fight.

Should there be Galvatron? Unicron?

I'm more for Galvatron in the third movie, but he could work in the second too. Unicron might only be hinted at through the artificial allspark uniting the Constructicons.

Concern... I'ld rather not deal with the full on planet eater in the first trilogy. If spread right, there could be a tril with OP, a tril with RD reviving OP, and a tril after.

I see a stronger Megatron escaping in this fight effected by combating allspark energies. Perhaps Megatron falls from a human prototype canon (using TF tech) and Galvatron rises with the new altmode scaled to his bigger than OP size.

What we don't see until later is that Soundwave still pulls Megatron's frame from were it fell.
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I'll comb through the rest of this thread later and attempt to add some positive criticism POSITIVE

I saw someone do a sketch of a movie Grimlock that got its alt mode by scanning an animatronic T-Rex at Universal Orlando or something.

I think that'd be a cool way for the Dinobots to get their alt modes

I like the idea of gestalt mutations too.

and the only way I'd like to see Galvatron is if he came back with his own Decepticons.

Like the ones that died in the first movie, like brought them back to life.

Dark Zarak wrote:So Insurgent, am I right in thinking that Sam sacrifices himself to stop Tidal Wave?


Knight Shift, I love the idea of "mutations", that their gestalt forms are not originally possible. Interesting idea.


What do people think? Should we have the un-intended mutation gestalt of several individual characters, or the one character that splits into many vehicles?


People should list any issue they have, and their sides.

Should the dinobots be dinosaurs?
Should there be gestalts and who?
Should there be Galvatron? Unicron?


Update coming soon.

Yes, although I'm gonna deliberatly leave it open ended. They know TW was teleported somewhere, but no one knows where, though they suspect TW is still alive as Chimera is still going (he's a kind of avatar for TW, and gets his Polymorphic abilities from TW. That's why they need to take him out quickly. As well as the fact the big lug is too big. ) Makes the end scene more poinient. Also, Dev is the first combiner, but things went wrong and if the Constructicons merge, they become a mindless monster who cannot uncombine. They get stuck in that mode, but they have to to protect everyone from Menasor (they will have a big debate over if they have to or not. This hasn't been written yet, so not exactly sure how that scene will go), who is the second combiner and has been perfected over the many years since the Constr. fled. He can dissasemble and can mass shift to grow up to Dev's size. Damn, Shockwave's been busy. Ploymorphic, combiners, and second in command of Cybertron.

As for Dinobots, I don't think they should be. Perhaps have dino-esque elements to their attack modes, or even just have one or two, but they shouldn't be dinosaurs. Combiners should only be one or two max.

Galvatron? He could be an interesting character, but he should be seperate from Megs. Or leave it open if Megs is Galvatron or not.

Case in point: In TF3, Megs falls to Jupiter.

If and When I introduce Unicron (idea already implanted in Thundercracker )to this little continuity I've developed, he will pass close to Jupiter, perhaps even eat it, and Galvatron will apear as his herald, but there will be no evidence either way if he is Megs reformatted or not.


The one guy splitting off is interesting, but for conventional combiners, the mutation is an interesting way that I never thought of before. The remains of the Constructicons could be beside hte body of Bonecrusher, and they all get ressurected and mutated, getting Bone into the Dev mix. It isn't called a name (since Brawl was called it in the movie) but someone could say something along the lines of "It causes so much destruction. It's a devastator of lives. Of everything we hold dear." Also, interesting character twist. Those who dedicate their lives to the construction of buildings are now destroying those very same things.

Then, we G1ers get our Dev name, and the average movie goer wont get confused by having 2 different characters called Devastator.


The thing with aircraft carriers and combiners in TF2 is, it's thinking too big. Yes, we need to up the ante from the first one, but I rekon some of these elements should be left for 3. Otherwise, the only way to up the ante for 3 is to introduce Unicron. Or the Unicron Matrix (great idea BTW).

Hi, just checking in to say I won't be back for a while. I'm finally finishing writing my book, and classes have started giving homework. See you all in three-to-six months, or in the SF aisle of your local Barnes and Noble, if all goes well. Best wishes to you all and the script. With any luck, Michal Bay will retire and become a monk somewhere. Cheers!

E.H.U.D. wrote:Hi, just checking in to say I won't be back for a while. I'm finally finishing writing my book, and classes have started giving homework. See you all in three-to-six months, or in the SF aisle of your local Barnes and Noble, if all goes well. Best wishes to you all and the script. With any luck, Michal Bay will retire and become a monk somewhere. Cheers!

Sorry to see you go dude.

If you can, check in every once in a while and leave some feedback.


I remember the days of writing my own book. And yet, here I am doing this.

Dark Zarak: I like your new plot. Except for a few things.

I don't like the whole Gigatron thing and all of the mutations.

Otherwise, I like this one.

Ironhide7 wrote:Dark Zarak: I like your new plot. Except for a few things.

I don't like the whole Gigatron thing and all of the mutations.

Otherwise, I like this one.

Well, I thought Gigatron would be cool because it's a Megatron update that is not the same old Galvatron stuff. But he can be Galvatron too perhaps.


What rubs you the wrong way about the mutations? I like them because they provide a cool way to upgrade characters. I thought perhaps with 3 we could have Prime mutate and that's how he comes back.

But if there's something off about it, what do you think?

I like it overall. I see Josie Beller has made the cast, and Prime's eyes are red at the end. Circuit Breaker and Nemesis Prime in 3 perhaps?

Things I don't like is Shockwave combining with Megatron. Interesting way to upgrade Megatron, and although it is a good way to introduce a new guy for 3, I'm just not sure it should be Shockwave. But I suppose that's just my love for the character not wanting to see him get taken out of the picture.

Also, the Dinobots mutating into Dinosaurs. I'm not happy with that. Why would they turn into creatures that haven't been around for millenia? Do they really need to mutate? Perhaps they are able to defeat the Destructicons with only half effort, and they leave because they are not satisfied with such a weak opponent, but when they mutate and combine, Grimlock and crew let loose with the full fury, relishing in the battle, but also putting the humans in danger due to the destructive forces unleashed. This could bring about an interesting conflict with Magnus and Prime (I forget if he's dead or not at this point while I type this) about human safety and the battle between combiner and Wreckers is a long, powerful, extremely destructive one.

An interesting plot thread could be Barricade's dissapearance in the latter end of the first movie. Even if he just plays a supporting role in tf2, I feel his dissapearance needs to be adressed somewhere, even if it's left for 3.

Insurgent wrote:I like it overall. I see Josie Beller has made the cast, and Prime's eyes are red at the end. Circuit Breaker and Nemesis Prime in 3 perhaps?

Though I'm leaning more toward a practical Josie Beller character with some kind of secret weapon that can destroy sparks or something. I'm personally not even considering the scantily clad circuit bikini. But that's me.

Insurgent wrote:Things I don't like is Shockwave combining with Megatron. Interesting way to upgrade Megatron, and although it is a good way to introduce a new guy for 3, I'm just not sure it should be Shockwave. But I suppose that's just my love for the character not wanting to see him get taken out of the picture.

Understandable. He is a cool character and probably does deserve a little more light. I figured his use was over, but maybe not?

Insurgent wrote:Also, the Dinobots mutating into Dinosaurs. I'm not happy with that. Why would they turn into creatures that haven't been around for millenia? Do they really need to mutate? Perhaps they are able to defeat the Destructicons with only half effort, and they leave because they are not satisfied with such a weak opponent, but when they mutate and combine, Grimlock and crew let loose with the full fury, relishing in the battle, but also putting the humans in danger due to the destructive forces unleashed. This could bring about an interesting conflict with Magnus and Prime (I forget if he's dead or not at this point while I type this) about human safety and the battle between combiner and Wreckers is a long, powerful, extremely destructive one.

Well, I figured they mutated into dinosaurs because they knew about them, and respected them, from their scans of the Web. Remember they said they considered them the only things Earth ever had that deserved their respect?

I mostly did it to please the people that wanted them to be dinosaurs because they figured they had to be. I thought perhaps they are on to something after all, so I gave them practical alt-modes first, and then gave them the cool ones after disguise was no longer necessary.

And Prime is not dead at that point, but he has left the scene. And I have Magnus not caring about the humans because he's a soldier with a mission.

I think the dinobot mutation is necessary because it goes on to explain how shockwave is able to mutate with Megatron: he touched the mutated dinobots during the fight.

What do people think? Nothing is set in stone of course.

Insurgent wrote:An interesting plot thread could be Barricade's dissapearance in the latter end of the first movie. Even if he just plays a supporting role in tf2, I feel his dissapearance needs to be adressed somewhere, even if it's left for 3.

Interesting. I've accounted for him in mine, but I still don't explain where he went.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Insurgent wrote:I like it overall. I see Josie Beller has made the cast, and Prime's eyes are red at the end. Circuit Breaker and Nemesis Prime in 3 perhaps?

Though I'm leaning more toward a practical Josie Beller character with some kind of secret weapon that can destroy sparks or something. I'm personally not even considering the scantily clad circuit bikini. But that's me.

Me neither. I have her as having circuitry holding scars and heavy burns on her skin together (akin to the Borg from Star Trek in appearance, but no where near as heavily modified). Her powers come from small pieces of machinery that has been implanted inside her with the life support machines that were implanted EG Radio Transmitters in her arms to disrupt the radio signals to the tf brain, freezing them in place, electrical genetrators that run through her hands providing her with the ability to electrocute the tf's, but only if she touches them, and flight by having magnets running the length of her body which she can de polarise at will, repulsing her from objects using the Earth's magnetic field. She spends the entire thing wearing a long trenchcoat that she never takes off and a large hat she initially has pulled low over her face to hide her disfigurement. The scene where she first reveals her face is quite a touching one if I say so myself.
She also doesn't use the name Circuit Breaker, rather that refers to the program that saw her reconstruction.
And no circuit bikini in sight. This is, afterall, a reinvintion.

Dinobots, well, it's just my personal preferance that they shouldn't be dinos and there should only be two or three instead of the whole gang, but the fans want them all, and them all to be dinos, so I guess the mutation from scans in their memory banks is a good enough explanation.

Barricade, yes I read his untimely death at the hands of that monotone creton (gee, I wonder who that could be ) but even after his death, his dissapearance could be a factor in TF3. Perhaps he dissapeared to alert someone to the presence of the Allspark, and they dont arrive until 3. He still gets his death, and his presence gets explained. Perhaps Galvatron, Cyclonus and Scourge could be the trio Barricade sent for, and we have a fight between Galvatron and Gigatron. Upgraded Megatron vs. what has been upgraded Megatron in every-other-verse would be an interesting face off.

I was thinking that in the end of TF2 (Dark Zarak's version) that You see Unicron drifting slowly through space in robot mode and you hear Shockwave/Megatron message and then his eyes light up. I read somewhere that they had both been in Status lock for awhile after they fought each other in robot form ending with Unicron and Primus drifting through space. At the Begining of the Third movie you get a veiw of Cybertron and peices start shifting and eventualy see Primus, With a face like Alpha Trion but not exactly to give that creator/elder feel. Then he utters "Till all are one." or not what ever is best.

also who is Jihaxus i missed that somewhere.

Saberspark model H. wrote:I was thinking that in the end of TF2 (Dark Zarak's version) that You see Unicron drifting slowly through space in robot mode and you hear Shockwave/Megatron message and then his eyes light up. I read somewhere that they had both been in Status lock for awhile after they fought each other in robot form ending with Unicron and Primus drifting through space. At the Begining of the Third movie you get a veiw of Cybertron and peices start shifting and eventualy see Primus, With a face like Alpha Trion but not exactly to give that creator/elder feel. Then he utters "Till all are one." or not what ever is best.

also who is Jihaxus i missed that somewhere.

Well, I don't know about that because it relies too much on G1, but it's definately an option. If people want Unicron in there, I'd be very happy to put him in, but I've got a really good idea for him that doesn't just rely on the character coming to earth or whatever.

What if he is just a spark, and he wants Earth for his new body? Too organic? Not really, since most of Earth is iron and generates a magnetic field. I think it would be awesome to have a scene where the Earth is literally shaking and natural disasters are everywhere (it is Michael Bay), and the Autobots have to stop it from getting worse.


Jihaxus is the villian from the G2 comics. It's a shame so many people out there are only familiar with their comfy cartoon TF's. The G2 comics are as close to R rated as TF's are ever going to get. Simon Furman got started as a horror writer and it shows.

You aren't a TF fan until you've at least given them a shot.


Download them off bittorrent. That's my first guess as to where to look for them. Maybe you can buy them on ebay as well, there are only 12 issues.

There's also the graphic novels from Titan (only need to track down 2 books then). Seriously, G2 is brilliant, definatly need a read.

You know, I was toying with the idea of Unicron actually being earth. Not posessing it, but actually always having the planet as his body. Over the eons, an atmosphere formed, followed by life. Then something happens that awakes him, and the planet earth is Unicron. It splits apart along the Tectonic Plates when he transforms into Robot mode (if he transforms). Visually, it would certainly be a challange, especially with all that water and atmosphere, but dang if it wouldnt be worth seeing. And perhaps his head could be formed from the rock under the earth instead of pure metal. Like you say, there is still metal in the ground and rocks. I was going to say "but what about the core? We know what the innards look like" which is why I was off this idea, but I just came up with a solution. The core of the Earth is Unicron's Spark or Power Generator.

What do ya think?

Cool idea for the core could be his spark or something. When he transforms two tectonic plates colide on his head to make his horns.

All I have to say is:


Yes. Oh God yes.

Is this now a dead thread

Saberspark model H. wrote:Is this now a dead thread

Far from it. It's just a matter of colating all the ideas, having Dark Zarak write them up. Something like this takes time, especially when piddly things like real life tend to get in the way. But add ideas whenever you think of them.

IMA THINKIN MY MIND.

Dark Zarak, why did you change your original idea? It was beautiful! Don't get me wong, I still like the new idea, but not nearly as much as the old.

Insurgent wrote:There's also the graphic novels from Titan (only need to track down 2 books then). Seriously, G2 is brilliant, definatly need a read.

You know, I was toying with the idea of Unicron actually being earth. Not posessing it, but actually always having the planet as his body. Over the eons, an atmosphere formed, followed by life. Then something happens that awakes him, and the planet earth is Unicron. It splits apart along the Tectonic Plates when he transforms into Robot mode (if he transforms). Visually, it would certainly be a challange, especially with all that water and atmosphere, but dang if it wouldnt be worth seeing. And perhaps his head could be formed from the rock under the earth instead of pure metal. Like you say, there is still metal in the ground and rocks. I was going to say "but what about the core? We know what the innards look like" which is why I was off this idea, but I just came up with a solution. The core of the Earth is Unicron's Spark or Power Generator.

What do ya think?

*Faints from awesome overload*
*Wakes up, faints again, then wakes up again*
THAT would be freaking awesome.

Grimlock18 wrote:

Insurgent wrote:There's also the graphic novels from Titan (only need to track down 2 books then). Seriously, G2 is brilliant, definatly need a read.

You know, I was toying with the idea of Unicron actually being earth. Not posessing it, but actually always having the planet as his body. Over the eons, an atmosphere formed, followed by life. Then something happens that awakes him, and the planet earth is Unicron. It splits apart along the Tectonic Plates when he transforms into Robot mode (if he transforms). Visually, it would certainly be a challange, especially with all that water and atmosphere, but dang if it wouldnt be worth seeing. And perhaps his head could be formed from the rock under the earth instead of pure metal. Like you say, there is still metal in the ground and rocks. I was going to say "but what about the core? We know what the innards look like" which is why I was off this idea, but I just came up with a solution. The core of the Earth is Unicron's Spark or Power Generator.

What do ya think?

*Faints from awesome overload*
*Wakes up, faints again, then wakes up again*
THAT would be freaking awesome.

I'm glad people are liking that idea. And is Unicron the big bad mojo he was in the other continuities? Well, lets just say there is a reason the Allspark found it's way to Earth.

That's right. The Allspark came from Unicron, making him the creator of the Transformers in this universe. How's that for turning things on their heads?

Ho ho, ideas for my TF4 abounding here. Yes, it all ties together. BWAH HA HA!!

Grimlock18 wrote:Dark Zarak, why did you change your original idea? It was beautiful! Don't get me wong, I still like the new idea, but not nearly as much as the old.

Well, in many ways so did I, but this is all about community effort, and I changed it to fit the times.


Now, there is a particular part in the old idea that I was sorry to see go, but I intend to bring it back for 3.

The part where Prime and Magnus make up and combine to form Omega Prime. That part is still going to happen, but I figured Prime should die at the end of 2 as a homage to the old movie, so he can come back again later in a better fashion.


What part did you like about the old idea, because I can work it in if you want.

Dark Zarak wrote:

Grimlock18 wrote:Dark Zarak, why did you change your original idea? It was beautiful! Don't get me wong, I still like the new idea, but not nearly as much as the old.

Well, in many ways so did I, but this is all about community effort, and I changed it to fit the times.


Now, there is a particular part in the old idea that I was sorry to see go, but I intend to bring it back for 3.

The part where Prime and Magnus make up and combine to form Omega Prime. That part is still going to happen, but I figured Prime should die at the end of 2 as a homage to the old movie, so he can come back again later in a better fashion.


What part did you like about the old idea, because I can work it in if you want.

Mainly it was your old idea for the Wreckers, like with the secret traitor and all that. It just seemed cooler to me than the Dionbots being mutated into dino alt. modes. For TF 2, I would just really like to see Grimlock, the other Dinobots, with the minor exception of Swoop, truly were idiots. Though...

Grimlock18 wrote:

Dark Zarak wrote:

Grimlock18 wrote:Dark Zarak, why did you change your original idea? It was beautiful! Don't get me wong, I still like the new idea, but not nearly as much as the old.

Well, in many ways so did I, but this is all about community effort, and I changed it to fit the times.


Now, there is a particular part in the old idea that I was sorry to see go, but I intend to bring it back for 3.

The part where Prime and Magnus make up and combine to form Omega Prime. That part is still going to happen, but I figured Prime should die at the end of 2 as a homage to the old movie, so he can come back again later in a better fashion.


What part did you like about the old idea, because I can work it in if you want.

Mainly it was your old idea for the Wreckers, like with the secret traitor and all that. It just seemed cooler to me than the Dionbots being mutated into dino alt. modes. For TF 2, I would just really like to see Grimlock, the other Dinobots, with the minor exception of Swoop, truly were idiots. Though...

That's two nays to them being mutated into dino modes.


Okay, then how about this one:

The reason I did that was because I wanted to mutation to spread via touch. Mutated destructicons into a monster - touches dinobots and mutates them into dinos - they touch Shockwave and mutate him into Gigatron when he combines with Megatron - Megatron touches Prime, kills him, and then he mutates into Nemesis Prime and comes back evil in 3.

So it was necessary to have the dinobots mutate so they could touch Shockwave, and what else would they mutate into besides the obvious? Better vehicles when they have dino fixations already?

So instead how about the mutations are caused not by being touched, but but being blasted with a certain ray or something? Perhaps this ray hit Shockwave and not the Dinobots. Perhaps it hits Magnus, but he doesn't mutate until he turns into Omega Prime with Optimus later.

Hell, it's based on combining anyway. The Destructicons combined into a giant robot when they touched. Shockwave and Megatron combined into Gigatron. Prime and Magnus can combine into Omega Prime.


Gets the job done with no dino mutations, which were out of place anyway, it seems like.


What do people think? If not a ray, then some other thing that could be transferred. Maybe it's still touch, and the dinos never actually touch the monster since they have canons in their alt modes and robot modes as well probably.