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Shadowman wrote:So I know this is for TVs and movies but I'm not seeing a comic thread...

Anyone want to talk about what the hell Captain America just did in the comics? It's so stupid I'm not even going to bother with spoiler tags; Steve Rogers has been an Agent of Hydra since before he became Captain America. The character created by two Jewish men has, in fact, been a Nazi collaborator the entire time. The character who is the reason Hydra hasn't gotten anything done for the past 70 years has also been working for them.

I can't imagine Nick Spencer is going to be working for very long...

That just sounds stupid. 50s cap being a mental case is one thing; Cap's body being inhabited and controlled by The Red Skull is one thing; killing Captain America and making him a martyr, making his previously brainwashed sidekick the new Cap is one thing; then later on making Steve not Cap again and this time replacing him with his other sidekick who can fly BECAUSE BUZZBOMB is one thing; but making Captain America, who was specifically created to combat the Nazis, who were the most evil party the world has ever seen and are still within the top two ever known, is retarded.

I bet this is how those DC fanboys felt when Supes killed Zod in Man of Steel.

Well for starters people are saying he's more likely a sleeper agent then someone who has been in the know the entire time, so his programming has just kicked in for whatever reason (funny thing that could spread from here is if even the upper echelons of hydra have no clue till he shows up and takes over).

This doesn't faze me at this point, I know it'll be fixed before too long, either he'll break his programming himself or his friends will see to it. Either way it will cause him to become repentant and try to get to the bottom of it.

The funniest explanation I've heard is that this is actually a skrull and their gearing up for secret invasion 2

This is how sharks are jumpe .

The issue had flashbacks to his childhood, of a woman trying to recruit Steve's mother into the New York chapter of Hydra.

She even makes the comment that Steve is destined for great things. I'm suspecting there's been a manipulation of time.

Or Kobik screwed up when she restored him.

Either way, I think people are over-reacting far too quickly.

At the very least, it diverts attention away from that stupid Give Cap a boyfriend campaign.

I hear the bottom of barrels being scraped

Burn wrote:The issue had flashbacks to his childhood, of a woman trying to recruit Steve's mother into the New York chapter of Hydra.

She even makes the comment that Steve is destined for great things. I'm suspecting there's been a manipulation of time.

Or Kobik screwed up when she restored him.

Either way, I think people are over-reacting far too quickly.

At the very least, it diverts attention away from that stupid Give Cap a boyfriend campaign.

The what campaign? Really? But cap has a g/f.

Anyway new theory out there is it is kobik but after being manipulated to do it by baron zemo who was there to see her powers earlier

So I went and saw X-Men:Apocalypse today. Had a snooze. That's three hours of my life I won't get back.

Not as bad as Batman -vs- Superman:Dawn of a Crap Franchise, but it was three hours of Jennifer Lawrence screwing over a character, whilst the rest of the movie desperately tries to connect to the original trilogy. (Which I'll give it credit, it doesn't do a bad job of doing)

I thought dofp tried to disconnect it from the original trilogy?

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought dofp tried to disconnect it from the original trilogy?

**** if I know. These "First Class" movies have been **** anyway. I'd hope that's the end of them, but you know ... post credits scene.

Burn wrote:So I went and saw X-Men:Apocalypse today. Had a snooze. That's three hours of my life I won't get back.

Not as bad as Batman -vs- Superman:Dawn of a Crap Franchise, but it was three hours of Jennifer Lawrence screwing over a character, whilst the rest of the movie desperately tries to connect to the original trilogy. (Which I'll give it credit, it doesn't do a bad job of doing)

Hold on......3 hours? I'm sure it were 2.5 hours? unless you saw an extended version or something? or maybe your also counting the adverts & trailers in there as well, before the film.

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Burn wrote:So I went and saw X-Men:Apocalypse today. Had a snooze. That's three hours of my life I won't get back.

Not as bad as Batman -vs- Superman:Dawn of a Crap Franchise, but it was three hours of Jennifer Lawrence screwing over a character, whilst the rest of the movie desperately tries to connect to the original trilogy. (Which I'll give it credit, it doesn't do a bad job of doing)

Hold on......3 hours? I'm sure it were 2.5 hours? unless you saw an extended version or something? or maybe your also counting the adverts & trailers in there as well, before the film.

2.5 = 3 when you round up. It counts.

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Burn wrote:So I went and saw X-Men:Apocalypse today. Had a snooze. That's three hours of my life I won't get back.

Not as bad as Batman -vs- Superman:Dawn of a Crap Franchise, but it was three hours of Jennifer Lawrence screwing over a character, whilst the rest of the movie desperately tries to connect to the original trilogy. (Which I'll give it credit, it doesn't do a bad job of doing)

Hold on......3 hours? I'm sure it were 2.5 hours? unless you saw an extended version or something? or maybe your also counting the adverts & trailers in there as well, before the film.

Of course I'm counting those. I had to sit through them. Therefore it was three hours of my life that I'm not getting back.

Don't even bother arguing, I get your point, but we're just going to be different on this.

Saw x-men apocalypse, found it to be greatly disappointing on a lot of levels, don't really ever want to see it again

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought dofp tried to disconnect it from the original trilogy?

dofp only SUGGESTED some of the events of the first films MAY NOT have happened or MAY HAVE happened a bit differently

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought dofp tried to disconnect it from the original trilogy?

dofp only SUGGESTED some of the events of the first films MAY NOT have happened or MAY HAVE happened a bit differently

X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins have clearly been excised from canon.

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought dofp tried to disconnect it from the original trilogy?

dofp only SUGGESTED some of the events of the first films MAY NOT have happened or MAY HAVE happened a bit differently

X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins have clearly been excised from canon.

To the relief of everyone

Burn wrote:

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Burn wrote:So I went and saw X-Men:Apocalypse today. Had a snooze. That's three hours of my life I won't get back.

Not as bad as Batman -vs- Superman:Dawn of a Crap Franchise, but it was three hours of Jennifer Lawrence screwing over a character, whilst the rest of the movie desperately tries to connect to the original trilogy. (Which I'll give it credit, it doesn't do a bad job of doing)

Hold on......3 hours? I'm sure it were 2.5 hours? unless you saw an extended version or something? or maybe your also counting the adverts & trailers in there as well, before the film.

Of course I'm counting those. I had to sit through them. Therefore it was three hours of my life that I'm not getting back.

Don't even bother arguing, I get your point, but we're just going to be different on this.

I'm not arguing, I just wondered if you were counting those or not

Stuartmaximus wrote:I'm not arguing

Well there's a first.

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought dofp tried to disconnect it from the original trilogy?

dofp only SUGGESTED some of the events of the first films MAY NOT have happened or MAY HAVE happened a bit differently

X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins have clearly been excised from canon.

i need to see the new one to say what the case is now.

but first class and dofp did not "fully" excise anything from canon

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins have clearly been excised from canon.

To the relief of everyone

Not everyone. X3 I could do without, but the 1st Wolverine movie I enjoyed for what it was. Not high on my grading of the X-universe films, and a definite black mark as far as how Deadpool was portrayed at the end, but otherwise I thought the dynamic between Victor and Logan was really good, as well as the inclusion of certain other characters from the universe. Also, I found Victor to be a much more enjoyable character than Logan, but that may have been due to Liev Schreiber's superior skills as an actor.

Now, onto Apocalypse. Overall, I liked it. It wasn't great, but it was entertaining, and to me much better than DoFP, which was too long and boring. This had more action and I liked the story better.

I have to disagree with you, Burn, about Mystique. To me she wasn't enough of a screen presence to detract from the film. She was just there for the sake of being there, it seems. Her role could have been filled by a few other characters. I did like the fact that she got her iconic blue-and-white outfit at the end.

I really liked how they treated Magneto's character, I believe he's now the deepest and most developed character in the X-films, due to the trauma he has gone through and the pendulum-like swing he is taking between being a hero and a villain.

I still don't like Nightcrawler, but this version was much more tolerable than the atrocity from X2. Though I do find it a bit of a letdown that they got away from his origin story of being Mystique's son.

How is it that no one even mentions (in the movie or anywhere else among fans) that Moira was actually responsible for waking up Apocalypse (though I don't think they even referred to him by that name, just to the events that are the result of his rule)?

Once again, to me, Quicksilver steals the entire movie, just with the couple of scenes he has. Though I really had to suspend my disbelief when he started slapping Apocalypse around.

Wolverine's scene was actually done well and placed well, it didn't come off as gratuitous at all. He came in, sliced and stabbed, got his relationship started with Jean, and disappeared. Simple and to the point.

Speaking of starting a relationship with Jean, I liked this Scott Summers much better than the older version. Maybe I will warm up to James Marsden's version now that I got some backstory in the films.

I really wanted to see a shot with Jean, Hank, Scott, and Warren in the film, even if it was a battle scene. IIRC, they were the original 4 in the comics, right? Giving them their own moment seems just the right thing. But in these movies, just like with the Bay films, not a lot goes right when it comes to origins.

The end sets up the original from 2000 real well, especially Charles and Eric's conversation with the lines they spoke at the beginning of the original. Though I think there can (and probably will) be one more film set in between this one and the original, probably a story from the 90s. Hopefully we'll get to see Jubilee in action in that one, as well as Psylocke's return and possibly joining the group.

One thing I was (and still am) hoping for was a redo of Juggernaut. That's one character that really needs a proper introduction into this universe, and if X3 indeed is wiped out (I'm also confused about that, it was one more thing DoFP convoluted) they could start fresh with a proper version of the character, hopefully played by an actual actor. I know Vinnie Jones is an actor, but there was a lot of CGI used with him in X3, wasn't there?

As for the post-credit scene, that was the only waste of time of the movie for me. I sat through about 6 minutes of credits for a scene that doesn't explain anything. Stupid and unnecessary.

Unlike Burn, I don't feel like the movie itself was a waste of time. I might even go see it again eventually on a weekend when there's nothing else out.

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought dofp tried to disconnect it from the original trilogy?

dofp only SUGGESTED some of the events of the first films MAY NOT have happened or MAY HAVE happened a bit differently

X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins have clearly been excised from canon.

i need to see the new one to say what the case is now.

but first class and dofp did not "fully" excise anything from canon

No, it did. I know you like to argue the silliest little points, but in this case you're pretty clearly wrong.

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

Shadowman wrote:

sto_vo_kor_2000 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought dofp tried to disconnect it from the original trilogy?

dofp only SUGGESTED some of the events of the first films MAY NOT have happened or MAY HAVE happened a bit differently

X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins have clearly been excised from canon.

i need to see the new one to say what the case is now.

but first class and dofp did not "fully" excise anything from canon

No, it did. I know you like to argue the silliest little points, but in this case you're pretty clearly wrong.

and you like to make proclamations that things are either "A" or "B" when clearly their are far more many possibilities.

no, im not wrong at all.
remember, im saying things from those films "may" have happened differently

you are saying they didnt happen at all............your claims are far harder to prove useing only the films, prior to the new one, themselves as evidence.

but please, if you want to waste your time trying to ,please do

Rodimus Prime wrote:
I really wanted to see a shot with Jean, Hank, Scott, and Warren in the film, even if it was a battle scene. IIRC, they were the original 4 in the comics, right?

originally they were 5
Iceman was 5

I felt the movie was well done, and well written enough, but the movie as a whole was horridly disappointing. Reducing a character like Apocalypse to a mere plot device so they can get their character roster together is unforgivable. I felt the Wolverine scene - again while well written and logically utilized - was unnecessary and that time in the weapon x facility could've been excised and then used to develop other things in the movie.

So now that the biggest baddie (that I know of) in the x-men universe is 'gone', who do they fight now? Racism? Obviously they're rushing to get to the Phoenix saga (ugh - way to set all this stuff up, and ruin a potentially great movie, just so you can rush into a plot to kill off one of the main characters ) It was a good enough movie, but I don't think I ever want to see it again, it was just too full of wasted potential.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I have to disagree with you, Burn, about Mystique. To me she wasn't enough of a screen presence to detract from the film. She was just there for the sake of being there, it seems. Her role could have been filled by a few other characters. I did like the fact that she got her iconic blue-and-white outfit at the end.

My biggest problem with Mystique is Jennifer Lawrence. She's become so over-rated. Not just that, while Mystique has been on the side of good OCCASIONALLY, she has, for the majority of the time, been on the bad side of things. And I believe Mystique being one of the "good" guys is primarily because of Princess Jen. Just completely disregard the character from the comics (though when it comes to these movies, they're very loose in what they lore they utilise from the comics) for the sake of having one of the biggest actresses in the world in the film.