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primalxconvoy wrote:I'm not blaming Hasbro. In blaming Bakara on this one. It's not good to just release anime styles ones, when there is demand for toy versions. I think it's good form of Takara does this for all MPs if they release two versions and announces them at the save time and/or makes one version with options for either (which they've done before with inferno, Op Primal, etc).
As for paint, the entire body on this mp Megs is painted in slightly metallic grey, so full metallic would not be a problem.
Options are key for MP figures as collectors are discerning and picky. With a KO version in the works, I and other people might move away from certain/all further official releases and wait for the ko versions. They seem to have increasingly better joints and features than the originals (such as the mp seeket legs).
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
Wolfman Jake wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I'm not blaming Hasbro. In blaming Bakara on this one. It's not good to just release anime styles ones, when there is demand for toy versions. I think it's good form of Takara does this for all MPs if they release two versions and announces them at the save time and/or makes one version with options for either (which they've done before with inferno, Op Primal, etc).
As for paint, the entire body on this mp Megs is painted in slightly metallic grey, so full metallic would not be a problem.
Options are key for MP figures as collectors are discerning and picky. With a KO version in the works, I and other people might move away from certain/all further official releases and wait for the ko versions. They seem to have increasingly better joints and features than the originals (such as the mp seeket legs).
Like I said, Takara already did a toy-inspired Masterpiece Megatron with MP-5. It's a lot more like the original than simply giving the MP-36 mold a shiny coat of paint. The proportions are very different. They're not doing you a disservice by offering a different, more anime take on Megatron now. Besides, why would you just settle for a shiny version of cartoon Megatron if what you want is a Masterpice "toy" Megatron? It's going to take more than a deco change to make a convincing toy Megatron out of MP-26, like a new headsculpt, a completely different leg transformation, etc.
Also, keep this in mind. While there is definitely demand for toy versions of the G1 characters, Masterpiece or otherwise, that's likely a smaller corner of the Japanese market than you may think. Takara is almost always about screen representation in their modern products, and their mainly Japanese fan and consumer base eats it up. Remember, Takara makes their Transformers products for JAPAN. It's incidental to them that fans outside of Japan want their products too, especially since it is Hasbro that is supposed to cater to the Transformers demand of the rest of the world.
primalxconvoy, I know you have your tastes, and you want something that is not available right now (and may never really be), but that's just reality. Complaining that Takara isn't giving you G1 toy options in a Masterpiece figure that is primarily designed to be accurate to the cartoon look of a character isn't that far off from complaining that the figure "sucks" because you wanted it to be a different character altogether. For what MP-36 is, it's pretty fantastic.
Cobotron wrote:Primalxconvoy, none of my biz really but, don't you live in Japan?
I am fully confident that Takara will do an alternate deco on this figure. It's why I am in no hurry to get this one. I think this version looks great, I would just prefer a more toy like deco. Silver with more red.
If I'm wrong, I'll get the re-issue when it comes out.
william-james88 wrote:Cobotron wrote:Primalxconvoy, none of my biz really but, don't you live in Japan?
I am fully confident that Takara will do an alternate deco on this figure. It's why I am in no hurry to get this one. I think this version looks great, I would just prefer a more toy like deco. Silver with more red.
If I'm wrong, I'll get the re-issue when it comes out.
Thats what I am waiting for. I want to see the full opinion of people and the fallout if it happens, and then when I am fully decided on this guy I will get the reissue that is 100% certain to come. And hopefully then my dollar will have recovered and he will be less than now simply due to the exchange.
Bumblebee21 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Cobotron wrote:Primalxconvoy, none of my biz really but, don't you live in Japan?
I am fully confident that Takara will do an alternate deco on this figure. It's why I am in no hurry to get this one. I think this version looks great, I would just prefer a more toy like deco. Silver with more red.
If I'm wrong, I'll get the re-issue when it comes out.
Thats what I am waiting for. I want to see the full opinion of people and the fallout if it happens, and then when I am fully decided on this guy I will get the reissue that is 100% certain to come. And hopefully then my dollar will have recovered and he will be less than now simply due to the exchange.
my original plan was to get him but i think my money will be better spent with ft phoenix after hearing all the in hand thoughts and reviews
Wolfman Jake wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I'm not blaming Hasbro. In blaming Bakara on this one. It's not good to just release anime styles ones, when there is demand for toy versions. I think it's good form of Takara does this for all MPs if they release two versions and announces them at the save time and/or makes one version with options for either (which they've done before with inferno, Op Primal, etc).
As for paint, the entire body on this mp Megs is painted in slightly metallic grey, so full metallic would not be a problem.
Options are key for MP figures as collectors are discerning and picky. With a KO version in the works, I and other people might move away from certain/all further official releases and wait for the ko versions. They seem to have increasingly better joints and features than the originals (such as the mp seeket legs).
Like I said, Takara already did a toy-inspired Masterpiece Megatron with MP-5. It's a lot more like the original than simply giving the MP-36 mold a shiny coat of paint. The proportions are very different. They're not doing you a disservice by offering a different, more anime take on Megatron now. Besides, why would you just settle for a shiny version of cartoon Megatron if what you want is a Masterpice "toy" Megatron? It's going to take more than a deco change to make a convincing toy Megatron out of MP-26, like a new headsculpt, a completely different leg transformation, etc.
Also, keep this in mind. While there is definitely demand for toy versions of the G1 characters, Masterpiece or otherwise, that's likely a smaller corner of the Japanese market than you may think. Takara is almost always about screen representation in their modern products, and their mainly Japanese fan and consumer base eats it up. Remember, Takara makes their Transformers products for JAPAN. It's incidental to them that fans outside of Japan want their products too, especially since it is Hasbro that is supposed to cater to the Transformers demand of the rest of the world.
primalxconvoy, I know you have your tastes, and you want something that is not available right now (and may never really be), but that's just reality. Complaining that Takara isn't giving you G1 toy options in a Masterpiece figure that is primarily designed to be accurate to the cartoon look of a character isn't that far off from complaining that the figure "sucks" because you wanted it to be a different character altogether. For what MP-36 is, it's pretty fantastic.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Bumblebee21 wrote:william-james88 wrote:Cobotron wrote:Primalxconvoy, none of my biz really but, don't you live in Japan?
I am fully confident that Takara will do an alternate deco on this figure. It's why I am in no hurry to get this one. I think this version looks great, I would just prefer a more toy like deco. Silver with more red.
If I'm wrong, I'll get the re-issue when it comes out.
Thats what I am waiting for. I want to see the full opinion of people and the fallout if it happens, and then when I am fully decided on this guy I will get the reissue that is 100% certain to come. And hopefully then my dollar will have recovered and he will be less than now simply due to the exchange.
my original plan was to get him but i think my money will be better spent with ft phoenix after hearing all the in hand thoughts and reviews
Opposite for me. I had no interest but the in hand images from yesterday and the review have made me want him. Maybe not at the moment due to some stuff, but a couple months down the road he will be worth the grab
Bumblebee21 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Opposite for me. I had no interest but the in hand images from yesterday and the review have made me want him. Maybe not at the moment due to some stuff, but a couple months down the road he will be worth the grab
the main takeaway are all the qc issues.
hes gonna have paint chips all over if you transform him. if you put the silencer on him hes gonna chip.
theres no way to prevent paint chipping on him.
at least you can transform apollyon without getting scratches on him
and its not just him.
mp-35 gets paint scratches from the crane transformation
mp-34 and the easy breakage points.
dont even get me started with ironhide
primalxconvoy wrote:1. You cannot insult a toy. It's an inanimate object. I can write "MP Megatron blows chunks" or even worse, and not only will the toy not be insulted, it won't react at all. This is because it's not alive and sentient.
2. Although, it seems, that Takara has achieved its goal or recreating a cartoon depiction of Megatron, it seems that it's fallen further down the "anime-poi" rabbit hole. Although previous MPs have become increasingly anime accurate, some provisions were given to collectors for toy/"premium"/"realistic" looks, too (alternative stickers, chromed parts, different faces, etc).
With Megatron, that doesn't seem to be the case, which is frustrating for collectors, especially those outside Japan, who want an official product but can't (legally/officially) get this.
Takara should release two versions of every MP; one that's anime accurate, and one that's more in line with MP Optimus/the older and larger MPs (excluding "Greenscream"). That way, more, if not most, of the fans would be happy.
As it is, I perfectly understand why this figure is getting slack; the anime look, plus the long face/long chin don't capture the essence of the character in some people's minds. I for one will sell my MP Shockwave and Megatron as soon as a toy/metallic version comes out. I might buy a 3P Shockwave, too, due to the badly designed robot backpack not having the (obviously engineered but gimped) ability to attach to the rear of the gun (and the incorrect colours on it).
However, what also frustrates some is the poor QC and high prices for 3P MP figures, like Megatron, and the resulting problems if they break, have missing pieces, etc.
As it is, although I buy official MP figures, they don't really excite or delight me like the original MPs or even recent CHUG figures do.
Takara have lost their mojo IMO for MPs.
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Bumblebee21 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Opposite for me. I had no interest but the in hand images from yesterday and the review have made me want him. Maybe not at the moment due to some stuff, but a couple months down the road he will be worth the grab
the main takeaway are all the qc issues.
hes gonna have paint chips all over if you transform him. if you put the silencer on him hes gonna chip.
theres no way to prevent paint chipping on him.
at least you can transform apollyon without getting scratches on him
and its not just him.
mp-35 gets paint scratches from the crane transformation
mp-34 and the easy breakage points.
dont even get me started with ironhide
See, the issues you are bringing up are issues that I have only heard of rarely. Besides, I'm not sure how often I'll transform him, though I will transform him. I've accepted that he will be difficult, but I will still transform him. I'll just have free time and not something on TV I'd want to watch but more listen to.
And while you are obsessed with the 3P stuff, I really am not. I ordered that Iron Maiden last semester that was a bust, but that is it. 3P stuff just hasn't appealed to me yet. And I kind of do prefer the look of this guy over 3P stuff.
Plus, call me a stickler or whatever, but I feel a bit better about owning something official. It feels I dunno, more special and more worth it.
either way, this guy in some form or another will hopefully be mine within the next 6 months. He's grown on me.
Hellscream9999 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:I'm not blaming Hasbro. In blaming Bakara on this one. It's not good to just release anime styles ones, when there is demand for toy versions. I think it's good form of Takara does this for all MPs if they release two versions and announces them at the save time and/or makes one version with options for either (which they've done before with inferno, Op Primal, etc).
As for paint, the entire body on this mp Megs is painted in slightly metallic grey, so full metallic would not be a problem.
Options are key for MP figures as collectors are discerning and picky. With a KO version in the works, I and other people might move away from certain/all further official releases and wait for the ko versions. They seem to have increasingly better joints and features than the originals (such as the mp seeket legs).
Like I said, Takara already did a toy-inspired Masterpiece Megatron with MP-5. It's a lot more like the original than simply giving the MP-36 mold a shiny coat of paint. The proportions are very different. They're not doing you a disservice by offering a different, more anime take on Megatron now. Besides, why would you just settle for a shiny version of cartoon Megatron if what you want is a Masterpice "toy" Megatron? It's going to take more than a deco change to make a convincing toy Megatron out of MP-26, like a new headsculpt, a completely different leg transformation, etc.
Also, keep this in mind. While there is definitely demand for toy versions of the G1 characters, Masterpiece or otherwise, that's likely a smaller corner of the Japanese market than you may think. Takara is almost always about screen representation in their modern products, and their mainly Japanese fan and consumer base eats it up. Remember, Takara makes their Transformers products for JAPAN. It's incidental to them that fans outside of Japan want their products too, especially since it is Hasbro that is supposed to cater to the Transformers demand of the rest of the world.
primalxconvoy, I know you have your tastes, and you want something that is not available right now (and may never really be), but that's just reality. Complaining that Takara isn't giving you G1 toy options in a Masterpiece figure that is primarily designed to be accurate to the cartoon look of a character isn't that far off from complaining that the figure "sucks" because you wanted it to be a different character altogether. For what MP-36 is, it's pretty fantastic.
I "think" the point that he's trying to make is that, people want mp's in non-anime deco's - that is to say, more toy inspired deco's - like the dark purple shockwave we're still waiting on (that, if we're being serious with ourselves, isn't going to happen, because TT doesn't seem to acknowledge that shockwave, galvatron, or cyclonus were ever that color), kind of like what they're doing with MP Primal, a show-accurate version, and a toy-accurate version, to please everybody
fenrir72 wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:I "think" the point that he's trying to make is that, people want mp's in non-anime deco's - that is to say, more toy inspired deco's - like the dark purple shockwave we're still waiting on (that, if we're being serious with ourselves, isn't going to happen, because TT doesn't seem to acknowledge that shockwave, galvatron, or cyclonus were ever that color), kind of like what they're doing with MP Primal, a show-accurate version, and a toy-accurate version, to please everybody
Did Laserwave fly off the shelves? From what I heard, quite a vocal group here found his price a turn off. Will it be profitable for Takara? If he'll be released in toy colors, it might be a Tomy Mall exclusive. he is after all a bad guy. Badguys don't sell well generally in JP (Example I'll use are the Micromasters in 1990s, most were Cybertrons when internationally, split into Autobots and Decepticons. Will this same condition be still applicable now?
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Bumblebee21 wrote:dont even get me started with ironhide
fenrir72 wrote:Did Laserwave fly off the shelves? From what I heard, quite a vocal group here found his price a turn off.
william-james88 wrote:Bumblebee21 wrote:dont even get me started with ironhide
What was wrong with ironhide? And paint chips are part of the deal at this point since most of the surface of these MP toys are painted instead of using coloured plastic. It was really too bad with Hot Rodimus since a lot of the paint rubbed off on mine but I still find the toy great.fenrir72 wrote:Did Laserwave fly off the shelves? From what I heard, quite a vocal group here found his price a turn off.
He was not sold out right away from online vendors, at least not the importers. And I believe he was even eventually discounted at a few places. The price was a turn off, I still find him very expensive for what you are getting compared to, say, Ironhide.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
fenrir72 wrote:So the price isn't the main take away? 3rd party is just as expensive or more than the official. Not that I have any aversion for 3rd party though I noticed something quirky/ a pattern of thought in some opinions Dmax, some statements in the official thread extol the advantages of 3rd party while in the 3rd party, it's the opposite, extolling the 1st party, all from the same source. You can't win them all I guess.
primalxconvoy wrote:I disagree.
The original toy version is not what I want. As for a "toy" version, you seem to misunderstand what I and perhaps others are referring to. I/we want this toy in more "realistic" colours, not anime ones. This was something Takara has done with MP Optimus and also, via alternate stickers and faces, etc, with the likes of MP Inferno.
This shows that you are wrong on this. Takara have already shown a precedent in providing two different versions. I just wished they had either included these options in this figure out announced a metallic version sooner (which they've done with almost every Japanese release of a g1 style Megatron to date).
As for "It's only in Japan", then I question your opinion. I live in Japan and have spoken with Japanese collectors, who have voiced similar opinions and/or acknowledged that this release has been inconsistent with other Japanese releases. Also, Takara also officially releases their products through Hasbro Asia and I'm also sure fully understands their products are bought by fans all over the world. While I'm sure they cannot please everyone, everywhere, they are sure to have considered, and will consider international opinions. Marlboor was a rather extreme example of this, with Takara having no obligation to change their design, but did so after pressure from Philip Morris (admittedly not a customer though).
D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Bumblebee21 wrote:D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Opposite for me. I had no interest but the in hand images from yesterday and the review have made me want him. Maybe not at the moment due to some stuff, but a couple months down the road he will be worth the grab
the main takeaway are all the qc issues.
hes gonna have paint chips all over if you transform him. if you put the silencer on him hes gonna chip.
theres no way to prevent paint chipping on him.
at least you can transform apollyon without getting scratches on him
and its not just him.
mp-35 gets paint scratches from the crane transformation
mp-34 and the easy breakage points.
dont even get me started with ironhide
See, the issues you are bringing up are issues that I have only heard of rarely. Besides, I'm not sure how often I'll transform him, though I will transform him. I've accepted that he will be difficult, but I will still transform him. I'll just have free time and not something on TV I'd want to watch but more listen to.
And while you are obsessed with the 3P stuff, I really am not. I ordered that Iron Maiden last semester that was a bust, but that is it. 3P stuff just hasn't appealed to me yet. And I kind of do prefer the look of this guy over 3P stuff.
Plus, call me a stickler or whatever, but I feel a bit better about owning something official. It feels I dunno, more special and more worth it.
either way, this guy in some form or another will hopefully be mine within the next 6 months. He's grown on me.
william-james88 wrote:Bumblebee21 wrote:dont even get me started with ironhide
What was wrong with ironhide? And paint chips are part of the deal at this point since most of the surface of these MP toys are painted instead of using coloured plastic. It was really too bad with Hot Rodimus since a lot of the paint rubbed off on mine but I still find the toy great.
Sabrblade wrote:Granted, these all appear to be fan-colored versions of the cartoon models, but here's where I get them from - http://www.transformers.kiev.ua/index.php?pageid=g1encyclopediaWolfman Jake wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I only see two blue circles and a tiny dot, which he does have on his cartoon model:Wolfman Jake wrote:Anyone know why Megatron has 3 blue circles on his belly plate? He's usually depicted with just two, the larger, upper central one, and then a much smaller one below, typically offset towards the right a bit. I can't find any reference where this pattern with an additional small blue circle towards the middle bottom of the belly is used besides MP-36 Megatron. Is it to give him an actual belly button, lol?
Thanks, Sabr! I knew you'd come through for me, lol! I was looking at tons of on screen examples of Megatron from the original cartoon, and various G1-related toys, and couldn't find all three blue dots. Figures it would be on the character model. I'm sure that tiny dot got omitted most of the time in practice when drawing the actual episodes. Could you share your source for these character models with me? I'd love to have them for reference in the future. I have a hunch there are more little oddities with deco details that Takara has produced that can be explained by comparing them to the character models rather than the actual cartoon footage.
Also, here are a couple of screencaps of Megatron with the third dot in the cartoon:
Bumblebee21 wrote:this is an insultEmerje wrote:I honestly don't think Megatron's head looks too big at all. Seems perfectly fine to me. I guess next to those pin headed knockoffs it looks big.
Emerjesol magnus wrote:Ironhidensh wrote:What a kibble-tastic, panel lined nightmare.
Pre order officially canceled.
That's an insult.
this is an opinion
Kurona wrote:Was the original Microchange toy that became Megatron released in any colours other than the one we all know? Any bizarre greens or blues or something?
Actually, that's something. A G2-coloured MP-36. I don't care how little sense it makes, go for the tacky camouflage that only works in forests of purple trees!
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Kurona wrote:Was the original Microchange toy that became Megatron released in any colours other than the one we all know? Any bizarre greens or blues or something?
Actually, that's something. A G2-coloured MP-36. I don't care how little sense it makes, go for the tacky camouflage that only works in forests of purple trees!
How about releasing it in the concept "safety" colors? I think the original toy was released in black with a brown grip.
Yup.chuckdawg1999 wrote:I think the original toy was released in black with a brown grip.
Burn wrote:Agamemnon wrote:Let's get back to talking about Burn's mammoth snout flopping...
Well I am Australian. It's kinda what we're known for.
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