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During discussion about DotM ending I can't understand. Many people complains about Optimus killing Megatron, but no one question a Megatron doing after his victory over Sentinel. Optimus was beaten, crippled and defensles, one shout should be enough to end this once and for all. Yet Megatron wasted all adventage he has to all this "Who would you be without me, Prime?" nonsense. Why won't gain glory of be a "Slayer of Primes" and run away? The worst thing is that Megatron dos'ent do anything during his talk do Autobot leader. He simply give his mortal enemy time to regain strenght and die in inceribly lame fight.

Some people say that he want truce to turing everything back... But why he need Prime to this? The best way to end this was to eliminate Autobots leader.

I think that Megactron stupid doing in this scene is a effect of Bay's changing in the last moment, after spoilers revealed the truce. Unfortunetly the rest of movie remain the same, and that is how Megatron acting like a total idiot here. Actually, this is the main reason why i become Bay-hater. I simply belive that a great conflict between Megatron and Optimus should'nt end with that pathetic conclusion.

Megatron was pretty pissed at Sentinel Prime, after he said Megatron wasn't working with him, but for him, and consequently shot him off the building. That hurt his pride big time, and you know how Megatron gets when he's downplayed. He'll do anything to get back on top, the quickest way was to eliminate the would-be usurper. Prime wasn't a priority at the time, in fact in Revenge of the Fallen it was said only a Prime can kill another Prime. Megatron must have kept that in the back of his mind for Sentinel.

To illustrate, in the 1986 animated movie, after Megatron was reformatted into Galvatron he wasted no time in killing Starscream for his treachery and usurping his rightful place as Decepticon leader.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote: in fact in Revenge of the Fallen it was said only a Prime can kill another Prime. Megatron must have kept that in the back of his mind for Sentinel.

Firstly, it was said that Fallen can be killed only by a Prime, there was ever confirmed that Optimus have Similiar Power, and we must remeber that Megatron killed Optimus in Forest Battle. I can say even more: Fallen can simply lie to Megatron to protect his influence and maybe life.

Prime wasn't a priority at the time

But Sentinel was already defited, also, he dose'nt look like he was able to fight. Megatron supposed to have enough time to finish them both. Instead, he completly underrated Optimus(even after events of RotF) and offer him a truce.

It wasn't really a truce, he was asking Optimus to surrender and called it a truce. If he killed Optimus the other Autobots would have kept fighting and the Decepticons were defeated at that point. He thought he had the advantage against Optimus and getting him to surrender was the only chance he had.

will it be galvatron in tf4 or will bay create another decepticon to take his place

Evil_the_Nub wrote:If he killed Optimus the other Autobots would have kept fighting and the Decepticons were defeated at that point. He thought he had the advantage against Optimus and getting him to surrender was the only chance he had.

With Optimus death Autobots will los all Bots with leadership ability, maybe without Ratchet. And if fe can stole a Matrix of Leadership, he could have a very long time to gathering a new forces to future invasion.

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Evil_the_Nub wrote:It wasn't really a truce, he was asking Optimus to surrender and called it a truce. If he killed Optimus the other Autobots would have kept fighting and the Decepticons were defeated at that point. He thought he had the advantage against Optimus and getting him to surrender was the only chance he had.

If Megatron managed to kill Optimus, it would have been over. Even in Megatron's degraded condition, he could have fought and beaten the other Autobots, even if he was by himself. Perhaps not in a 1-on-7 fight (vs. Wreckers, Bee, Ratchet, SS, Mirage (miniatures don't count, am I missing anyone else?)) but if he got away he could regain his strength (assuming that killing Optimus in a fight took a lot out of him) and fight them later. And no, if Megatron didn't run his mouth and was ready to fight, Prime wouldn't have won. The only reason Prime beat Megatron at the end of DotM was because he surprised him.

It would be over on earth. Appearantly, there's a ton of robots in space. Who knows what trouble Megs could have gotten besides 7 bots?

As far as I'm concerned, I blame it on Paramount's decision to change the ending so it was different from the other mediums' (that's what I heard, anyways.)

I've re-watched DOTM over a dozen times so far, and it just seems so nonsensical for Megatron to do what he did. OP was right to kill him, given who and what Megatron is (ruthless dictator), but the circumstances seem so forced.

Having Carly play the instigator is pure nonsense; he'd have to be a retard to fall for that. Megs should have come to despise Sentinel the moment his face was pushed against the wall, and made his own plans to kill Sentinel when the time was right.

And his proposal for a truce? It's just not in character for someone as brash, proud and egotistical as Megatron. With Cybertron destroyed, Megatron would be overcome with grief and anger, and he'd challenge OP to a final fight, even though he knows he'll lose. A warrior's death is Megatron's one final victory.

That would be more like Megatron, instead of grovelling for a truce.

TL;DR, Megs acted out of character, and should have challenged OP to a fight to the death instead of beg for peace.

My guess is he was still too badly hurt (I mean, he had bugs crawling out of his head) to carry on the war as he had in the past. This way, he could still move his agenda forward and keep his place of power.

Actually, i think that hole in his head is just another reason to kill Optimus, you know, payback time...

SKYWARPED_128 wrote:As far as I'm concerned, I blame it on Paramount's decision to change the ending so it was different from the other mediums' (that's what I heard, anyways.)

I've re-watched DOTM over a dozen times so far, and it just seems so nonsensical for Megatron to do what he did. OP was right to kill him, given who and what Megatron is (ruthless dictator), but the circumstances seem so forced.

Having Carly play the instigator is pure nonsense; he'd have to be a retard to fall for that. Megs should have come to despise Sentinel the moment his face was pushed against the wall, and made his own plans to kill Sentinel when the time was right.

You'd be amazed what being wounded and depressed can do to someone's resolve. Just because he's Megatron doesn't make him immune to such things. He was weak both physically and mentally and Carly played to his sense of pride as he basked in what he assumed was complete vicotry. It was a well done scene honestly.

And his proposal for a truce? It's just not in character for someone as brash, proud and egotistical as Megatron. With Cybertron destroyed, Megatron would be overcome with grief and anger, and he'd challenge OP to a final fight, even though he knows he'll lose. A warrior's death is Megatron's one final victory.

That would be more like Megatron, instead of grovelling for a truce.

Always watched that scene and saw Megs realizing he was quite literally the last living Decepticon on Earth and was like, "Well...I'm slagged." I wouldn't call it groveling either. Maybe he was honestly deluded enough to believe Optimus would accept a truce with the bot who'd tried to destroy Earth three times, killed him once, and was responsible for the original destruction of Cybertron.

TL;DR, Megs acted out of character, and should have challenged OP to a fight to the death instead of beg for peace.

After three movies, at least to me, I prefer to see Megatron get an unceremonious axe to the noggin for the things he did to everyone. Had it coming, honestly.

Capt.Failure wrote:You'd be amazed what being wounded and depressed can do to someone's resolve. Just because he's Megatron doesn't make him immune to such things. He was weak both physically and mentally and Carly played to his sense of pride as he basked in what he assumed was complete vicotry. It was a well done scene honestly.

You've got a point there.

My only beef with this, is that I didn't like the fact that Carly was the sole instigator of his actions. Sure, she could be the tipping point in which he just snaps and goes after Sentinel, but I'd like to see his growing resentment towards Sentinel played out a bit.

Like I said, he should have showed some poorly-disguised anger at having his face shoved into a wall by Sentinel. Just a couple of seconds showing Megatron glaring daggers at Sentinel, before turning away with an angry grunt. I just like to see these things played out on screen instead of reading between the lines.

In this case, I think neither of us are wrong. Just a difference of tastes, I suppose.

Capt.Failure wrote:Always watched that scene and saw Megs realizing he was quite literally the last living Decepticon on Earth and was like, "Well...I'm slagged." I wouldn't call it groveling either. Maybe he was honestly deluded enough to believe Optimus would accept a truce with the bot who'd tried to destroy Earth three times, killed him once, and was responsible for the original destruction of Cybertron.

Honestly, I think we both have different impressions of who Megatron is. I see him as an exceedingly proud egoist who'd rather face death than shame and dishonor.

He's always portrayed himself as a patriot, spouting lines like, "Is the survival of our race not worth one human life?", and "Cybertron, you are saved." IMO, he lives for the glory of Cybertron. And with it destroyed, I could imagine that he would find no reason to go on, nothing to live for.

Of course, one might argue that Megatron's a hypocrite who can't walk the talk when the time comes, but to me at lease, he seems to be the genuine article.

Capt.Failure wrote:After three movies, at least to me, I prefer to see Megatron get an unceremonious axe to the noggin for the things he did to everyone. Had it coming, honestly.

In the case of Sentinel, I'd agree. Bastard shot Ironhide in the back.

Personally, I'd prefer to see an awesome last fight between Megs and OP, seeing as he's not coming back for TF4. Unless someone decides to resurrect him yet again, in which case, I'd actually want to see him get an unceremonious axe to the head.

I completly agree with you SKYWARPED_128. Megatron dose'nt deserved to die such way. At worst he supossed to die during long and epic fight with Optimus. However I think he should either kill both Primes and run away, or try to kill Optimus, but be stopped by other Autobots, who arrive in last right moment, but be able to escape them. I could even tolerate a truce offer, but only in completly diffrent ocasion.

Always watched that scene and saw Megs realizing he was quite literally the last living Decepticon on Earth and was like

Literally last living Decepticon? What about all Cons gathered outside the Detroit?

TurboMMaster wrote:I completly agree with you SKYWARPED_128. Megatron dose'nt deserved to die such way. At worst he supossed to die during long and epic fight with Optimus. However I think he should either kill both Primes and run away, or try to kill Optimus, but be stopped by other Autobots, who arrive in last right moment, but be able to escape them. I could even tolerate a truce offer, but only in completly diffrent ocasion.

Always watched that scene and saw Megs realizing he was quite literally the last living Decepticon on Earth and was like

Literally last living Decepticon? What about all Cons gathered outside the Detroit?

...oh snap, forgot about them.

TurboMMaster wrote:I completly agree with you SKYWARPED_128. Megatron dose'nt deserved to die such way. At worst he supossed to die during long and epic fight with Optimus. However I think he should either kill both Primes and run away, or try to kill Optimus, but be stopped by other Autobots, who arrive in last right moment, but be able to escape them. I could even tolerate a truce offer, but only in completly diffrent ocasion.

Always watched that scene and saw Megs realizing he was quite literally the last living Decepticon on Earth and was like

Literally last living Decepticon? What about all Cons gathered outside the Detroit?

If you'd be a monarch without a military chain of command and all you would have left are grunts not smart enough to tie their own metaphorical shoelaces, the battle lost caught behind emeny lines- Then you need to keep your enemies closest.