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Robinson wrote:

First Gen wrote:

Robinson wrote:

First Gen wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Buttz wrote:ah crap. I hope he goes and does one of the "couple things... on the horizon" and they hire someone- ANYONE - else for the sequel.

Your opinion is wrong.

Only CP could say that and be completely right.

I just cant reiterate enough how tee'd off I am with Prime getting his ass handed to him.

It happenend in 86 too.

CP being right or Prime getting his ass handed to him? I'll go with the former, cuz the latter just isn't true.

Prime would have one had Hot Rod gotten in the way. And he still had enough in him to send Megs flying off in broken shambles to a delighted Starscream.

So while I normally agree with you on these posts, I can't now.

CP may have been right about something in 86.

Before Hot rod got in the way prime had his ass handed to him, e was cut, broken and shutting down.

He wasn't shutting down until the blast with the gun, courtesy of Hot Rod's interference. If he were shutting down, he wouldn't have been able to stand up. Yeah, Megatron didn't die either, but Megatron cannot be killed. He hasn't been killed in any continuity except for the new movie — ooh, another plot hole! The closest he's ever come was being reformatted at the hands of a dark god.

Robinson wrote:

First Gen wrote:

Robinson wrote:

First Gen wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Buttz wrote:ah crap. I hope he goes and does one of the "couple things... on the horizon" and they hire someone- ANYONE - else for the sequel.

Your opinion is wrong.

Only CP could say that and be completely right.

I just cant reiterate enough how tee'd off I am with Prime getting his ass handed to him.

It happenend in 86 too.

CP being right or Prime getting his ass handed to him? I'll go with the former, cuz the latter just isn't true.

Prime would have one had Hot Rod gotten in the way. And he still had enough in him to send Megs flying off in broken shambles to a delighted Starscream.

So while I normally agree with you on these posts, I can't now.

CP may have been right about something in 86.

Before Hot rod got in the way prime had his ass handed to him, e was cut, broken and shutting down.

Yeah, he was cut, but I distinctly recall him throwing megs about a block away then casually walking to his cannon to make Megs a smoldering pile of deceptitrash. At no point did he faulter in his speech or give the impression he was hurting PRIOR to Megs blasting the crap outta him.

"I'd like to disagree. As a fan it was an embarrassment. As a non-fan, it was fun but otherwise completely forgettable, like any other Michael Bay movie. It has ZERO repeat viewing potential. In less than five years it will be in the $5.88 bin at Wal-Mart like Godzilla. In ten years, it will be remembered as something botched to compare other possible movie botches to, like Godzilla. It is, in essence, a Michael Bay movie — disposable pop like a Britney Spears song. Ultimately, I'd rather watch the 1986 movie than this one more time."

This is exactly the reaction I was refering to.

The abercrombie and fitch young adults and teenagers who just took their girlfriends to the movies will be happy with this movie.

But if Bay doesn't do something serious with the sequels, this post's description of this film's fate is well put.

Rodimus_Prime13 wrote:It has ZERO repeat viewing potential.

The owner of this website and quite a few others will probably disagree with you on this.

bay done a terrific job on transformers; i know for certain that alot of us fans loved the movie. eventhough it wasn't like g1 to some of the fans but hey g1 was the 80's. i'm not knocking off the orginal so please don;t think that i am but come on we got what we honestly wanted. micheal bay knew what most of the fans wanted for the movie and it worked really great together. I truelly hope that bay does do the other sequels since hasbro and us fans put some positive and even some negetive feedback into the production of this movie. if it weren't for us and hasbro bay would made this movie even much weirder. i for one am proud of transformers and of bay. so everyone that bitches about bay stating that they ruined his childhood well too bad he just made mine a hell of a lot better.

First Gen wrote:

Robinson wrote:

First Gen wrote:

Robinson wrote:

First Gen wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Buttz wrote:ah crap. I hope he goes and does one of the "couple things... on the horizon" and they hire someone- ANYONE - else for the sequel.

Your opinion is wrong.

Only CP could say that and be completely right.

I just cant reiterate enough how tee'd off I am with Prime getting his ass handed to him.

It happenend in 86 too.

CP being right or Prime getting his ass handed to him? I'll go with the former, cuz the latter just isn't true.

Prime would have one had Hot Rod gotten in the way. And he still had enough in him to send Megs flying off in broken shambles to a delighted Starscream.

So while I normally agree with you on these posts, I can't now.

CP may have been right about something in 86.

Before Hot rod got in the way prime had his ass handed to him, e was cut, broken and shutting down.

Yeah, he was cut, but I distinctly recall him throwing megs about a block away then casually walking to his cannon to make Megs a smoldering pile of deceptitrash. At no point did he faulter in his speech or give the impression he was hurting PRIOR to Megs blasting the crap outta him.

Before he threw megs, he got hit with the saber and was reeling back, and after got his gun he was severly winded and sounded like he was in "pain" from fighting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq-PSSVNMwE

Rodimus_Prime13 wrote:"I'd like to disagree. As a fan it was an embarrassment. As a non-fan, it was fun but otherwise completely forgettable, like any other Michael Bay movie. It has ZERO repeat viewing potential. In less than five years it will be in the $5.88 bin at Wal-Mart like Godzilla. In ten years, it will be remembered as something botched to compare other possible movie botches to, like Godzilla. It is, in essence, a Michael Bay movie — disposable pop like a Britney Spears song. Ultimately, I'd rather watch the 1986 movie than this one more time."

This is exactly the reaction I was refering to.

The abercrombie and fitch young adults and teenagers who just took their girlfriends to the movies will be happy with this movie.

But if Bay doesn't do something serious with the sequels, this post's description of this film's fate is well put.

godzilla was the exact same movie that came to mind for me as well

Wow, another movie thread down the toilet.

How did a Bay interview turn into a "movie sucks" vs. "movie rocks" war with an 86 film argument on the side?

Overall, I loved the movie, and I hope that they can make the sequel even better. They'll have more room for action and character development and plot now that the introduction has been covered.

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Before he threw megs, he got hit with the saber and was reeling back, and after got his gun he was severly winded and sounded like he was in "pain" from fighting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq-PSSVNMwE[/quote]

I dunno about that one. If he was hurt, he wouldn't have been able to toss Megs like a little rag doll, then walk over to his gun like nada.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point, but all in all, he still put up w better fight than in the live action movie.

Autobobby1 wrote:Wow, another movie thread down the toilet.

How did a Bay interview turn into a "movie sucks" vs. "movie rocks" war with an 86 film argument on the side?

Very carefully and with extreme precision

I'm falling in line with Buttz on this topic.

With that said, after reading the article there was one thing that really stuck me: Bay is tied up tight with this movie. He practically designed these robot/aliens, he pushed their redesigns and got them to look the best he could on camera, albeit through those who design and manage this technology. And for that I think he did a really good job. I really like Prime, Barricade, Blackout, Bonecrusher and Bumble Bee's design. The rest are....meh. The direction was fine, but tell me a good story please!

So that's what I really hope changes for all the sequels. Please do not bring back the writers. I think Bay is capable of directing the movies, even though I find a lot of things lacking for this debut. What it lacked in some places was simply good taste, point in case:

Grandma giving the finger and then being called a B

Telling Grandma to shut up

The faux pee scene (as funny as it was still lacked, um...taste/tack)

"By the levels of pheremones in the air I think the boy wants to mate with the female" ...what are the Autobots jerks now?

"Are you masterbating!?"

"What's up little bitches?!" -Jerk!

You want my little kids to be fans of this stuff and buy the toys? First I'd have to let them see the movie.

Before I go on, things like this are just in poor taste and I think that's a reflection of the director and the writers. You know I like Transformers and I like the good parts about this movie, but there are things in there that are embarrassing and it will come to light as time passes.

Right now everyone's caught up in the excitement of a live action Transformers film finally coming out, but it can lose steam because of the director's self-centerness. I watch this film and I see Bay saying, "This is me, this is what I like, this is what I think is funny." I know, he's not the only one! But it fails to keep others in mind. After the excitement is gone people begin to chose sides and will leave if they don't like what they see. It's that simple.

I liked the movie alright. It has a few WTF moments, but it was overall okay. I just HATE Bay's attitude. And many of his designs. Mostly his attitude tho.

Sign Of The Cross wrote:"What's up little bitches?!" -Jerk!

Whatever.

Jazz has been waiting to say 'bitches' for 20 something years.

Counterpunch wrote:

Sign Of The Cross wrote:"What's up little bitches?!" -Jerk!

Whatever.

Jazz has been waiting to say 'bitches' for 20 something years.

To earthings that he's just met? Try that greeting the next time you meet someone. If he's been waiting that long, say it to Decepticons...pleeeezzzzeeee!

To Mister Bay from the mind of me,

Sorry for most of the abuse, and thanks for the great job!

Sign Of The Cross wrote:Please do not bring back the writers. I think Bay is capable of directing the movies, even though I find a lot of things lacking for this debut.

Good point. Bay is a competent director. There were very few actual directoral flaws. The only problem is that he delved very heavily into the production of the movie as well. I think he suffered some rather severe lapses in judgment, primarily with the writing. The robot designs were cool; I could live with them. The writing was utterly atrocious. To an extent the director has to work within the confines of the established script, and the script was horrible. The lack of proper characterization and the major, glaring plot holes were unforgivable at best and amateur at worst. There are hundreds of better screenwriters out there, and there are dozens of better Transformers writers who were not even so much as consulted. Get Simon Furman to at least collaborate on the next movie. Failing that, I'd settle for Brad Mick who was exceptional at expemplifying the personalities with as few words as possible.

Autobobby1 wrote:I hope that they can make the sequel even better. They'll have more room for action and character development and plot now that the introduction has been covered.

I hope so. The robots definitely need more screen time. Some of them didn't even get speaking lines, and they were all one-dimensional and sterotypical. Megatron was handled entirely wrong — not sinister, cunning, tyrannical, or militaristic at all, just a hulking angry brute.

I hope they're listening to our feedback and taking it into serious consideration. The movie is called "Transformers," not "Humans," and there are plenty of movies where the humans are the focus. They need to make the Transformers the focus.

I wouldnt think he would come back to do 2, since the only thing that got him to do the first film was Spielberg's "boy and his car" story. If he does make #2, then he is doing what he originally stated he didnt want to do, and that's make a 2.5 hour long toy commercial.

I'm still amused that Bay's best film is the one he had to almost be forced into making.

CGI costs money, especially of this caliber. Have patience, maybe when they get good results from this money they will put more money into CGI, and perhaps in the near future it will become cheaper.

This is a business.

Sign Of The Cross wrote:

"By the levels of pheremones in the air I think the boy wants to mate with the female" ...what are the Autobots jerks now?

I think that line is good because one thing that I have always felt was a problem with TF's was they were too human. This line shows Ratchet trying to show off his skills not realsing he's just commited a big social no no.

Buttz wrote:

Shadowman wrote:No, no it was not. To think anyone would ever take such a ridiculous concept such as this seriously, is madness.

No sorry, but i completely disagree. Just because you have giant robots in your movie does not give you license to completely neglect everything else in it. Batman Begins is about a guy in a bat costume who fights a bunch of ninjas. It would've been easy to be content with mediocrity and just rely on the special effects to prop up the movie, but that's not what Christopher Nolan did. A competent director could've had giant robots AND a well-developed plot AND interesting characters.

Batman Begins goes beyond TransFormers. It's not just about a superhero. It's a character study...

What pushed him to want to live with dual identities?

What made him put himself in harm's way for the sake of others?

To what depths of a man's soul must he go to come to terms with what happened, and can he control it all?

It's a deep movie, and excellent as well, but for the audience TFs was marketed for*, it just wouldn't work.

I'd be pretty bored out of my mind by the end of it if all Prime did was lament his days back home and go see a therapist to explain why he disguises himself, and then at the last minute smashes everything to shreds. Oh yeah, I want to see that, sign me up like right now. *wants to puke coathangers*

No thanks, I'll enjoy the film as is.

*= the marketed audience was kids to adults, and everyone inbetween. The main humor will be aimed at kids and tweens, the mature humor will be aimed at teens and adults who look at each other with a chuckle followed by "wink wink, nudge nudge". The action will encompass the entire audience, no matter what age they are. The visuals will wow everyone from the smallest child to the oldest person in the theater. And all of these people want one thing: To be purely entertained.

It has humor
It has sex (well, sensuality)
It has action (balls to the wall, OMG I think I just crapped myself action)
It has above all...heart. If Optimus Prime and Bumblebee don't get you right here *points to chest* then you're missing the whole point. You're missing the fun and you're missing the true experience.

This is something families can enjoy together and Bay always wanted to make a family film (at least one in his career) and he succeeded....is that such a crime?

At least he took the time to legitimize the characters and the mythos. Movie studios passed it over because they took one look and thought "Hah, yeah. Riiight." (Bet they're kickin' their own asses now...)

Bay made it realistic and relateable, and people are missing that important point.

*SIGHS* I'm so glad I was never in Bay's shoes. I could've never please one damned bit of you fans...I'd have shot myself halfway through the opening credits.

Can't we ever just relax, put our brains on the shelf for an evening, and laugh ourselves silly at stupid stuff and enjoy it?

We did it for Dumb & Dumber, and look at it...it became one of the biggest and most famous films in recent history.

Shadowman wrote:No, no it was not. To think anyone would ever take such a ridiculous concept such as this seriously, is madness.

That said, this movie kicked ass. I hope Bay is signed on for the sequel, he did a great job. And get Roberto and Alex on this as well.

See? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Shadowman got it, perfectly. And guess what? He enjoyed the sh*t out of it.

You can put your nose in the air, drink your tea with your pinky finger extended, and feel that this film is beneath you, but let's face it, you don't deserve a movie better than this one, none of us do.

When you finally come down off of your high horses (gotta be nosebleedin' by now I'd figure..., and before you say it, no the air isn't better up there.) and pull the saddle out of your asses, you might...just might wake up and say "Ya know what? They're right. I still don't like the movie because of what they did to my favorites, but doggone it...it was fun. And I didn't even have a heart attack either. YAY! I CAN HAVE FUN AND IT WON'T KILL ME! WHEE!"

Autobot032 wrote:Batman Begins goes beyond TransFormers. It's not just about a superhero. It's a character study...

What pushed him to want to live with dual identities?

What made him put himself in harm's way for the sake of others?

To what depths of a man's soul must he go to come to terms with what happened, and can he control it all?

It's a deep movie, and excellent as well, but for the audience TFs was marketed for*, it just wouldn't work.

I'd be pretty bored out of my mind by the end of it if all Prime did was lament his days back home and go see a therapist to explain why he disguises himself, and then at the last minute smashes everything to shreds. Oh yeah, I want to see that, sign me up like right now. *wants to puke coathangers*

No thanks, I'll enjoy the film as is.

*= the marketed audience was kids to adults, and everyone inbetween. The main humor will be aimed at kids and tweens, the mature humor will be aimed at teens and adults who look at each other with a chuckle followed by "wink wink, nudge nudge". The action will encompass the entire audience, no matter what age they are. The visuals will wow everyone from the smallest child to the oldest person in the theater. And all of these people want one thing: To be purely entertained.

It has humor
It has sex (well, sensuality)
It has action (balls to the wall, OMG I think I just crapped myself action)
It has above all...heart. If Optimus Prime and Bumblebee don't get you right here *points to chest* then you're missing the whole point. You're missing the fun and you're missing the true experience.

This is something families can enjoy together and Bay always wanted to make a family film (at least one in his career) and he succeeded....is that such a crime?

At least he took the time to legitimize the characters and the mythos. Movie studios passed it over because they took one look and thought "Hah, yeah. Riiight." (Bet they're kickin' their own asses now...)

Bay made it realistic and relateable, and people are missing that important point.

*SIGHS* I'm so glad I was never in Bay's shoes. I could've never please one damned bit of you fans...I'd have shot myself halfway through the opening credits.

Can't we ever just relax, put our brains on the shelf for an evening, and laugh ourselves silly at stupid stuff and enjoy it?

We did it for Dumb & Dumber, and look at it...it became one of the biggest and most famous films in recent history.

See? This is exactly what I'm talking about. Shadowman got it, perfectly. And guess what? He enjoyed the sh*t out of it.

You can put your nose in the air, drink your tea with your pinky finger extended, and feel that this film is beneath you, but let's face it, you don't deserve a movie better than this one, none of us do.

When you finally come down off of your high horses (gotta be nosebleedin' by now I'd figure..., and before you say it, no the air isn't better up there.) and pull the saddle out of your asses, you might...just might wake up and say "Ya know what? They're right. I still don't like the movie because of what they did to my favorites, but doggone it...it was fun. And I didn't even have a heart attack either. YAY! I CAN HAVE FUN AND IT WON'T KILL ME! WHEE!"

I think I'm just gonna make an outline of why I didn't like the movie and stick that in my sig, since I'm tired of typing the same thing over and over and over again. The point I have made many times and I will reiterate here is that just because it's a movie based on a toy line, just because its precursor is a cartoon, just because it's loaded with special effects, just because it's aimed at young boys, that does not excuse the absolute mediocrity found in all aspects of the film save for the special effects.

The Batman Begins example was meant to be just that- an example. An example of a movie that frees its characters from the mere pop culture doldrums to which they have been relegated (ie, Batman and Robin) and elevates them to a new realm of legitimacy. No one's suggesting that Transformers should have been modeled shot by shot on Batman Begins.

There were a myriad of conflicts and themes which Transformers could have explored and which a capable director could have seamlessly and entertainingly blended into an action-packed narrative, but instead they opted to crank out the most bare minimum heavily-commercialized and formulaic pap which ultimately just serves to reinforce the dismissive notion that this is all just one-dimensional kids stuff which we as fans know is not the case and that's why we should all be mad as hell.

Dammit now I'm pissed. I'm going to the gym.

Autobot032 wrote:
At least he took the time to legitimize the characters and the mythos. Movie studios passed it over because they took one look and thought "Hah, yeah. Riiight." (Bet they're kickin' their own asses now...)

And Later:

You can put your nose in the air, drink your tea with your pinky finger extended, and feel that this film is beneath you, but let's face it, you don't deserve a movie better than this one, none of us do.

When you finally come down off of your high horses (gotta be nosebleedin' by now I'd figure..., and before you say it, no the air isn't better up there.) and pull the saddle out of your asses, you might...just might wake up and say "Ya know what? They're right. I still don't like the movie because of what they did to my favorites, but doggone it...it was fun. And I didn't even have a heart attack either. YAY! I CAN HAVE FUN AND IT WON'T KILL ME! WHEE!"

I deserve a better movie.

Urination jokes and racial stereotypes certainly don't legitimize any mythology. It does erode 20+ years of creating one, though.

I went in to the theater knowing it was going to be dumb, but excited to see big robots...but what I saw was a shining example of lowest-common denominator writing. Bay's directing was fine; Orci & Kurtzman should go back to whatever it is they're good at (apparently selling themselves, cause they sure can't write). They failed the concept: there are TWO warring factions of Transformers, and each side is full of characterization. I don't need cops tackling a fat black guy into the pool, I don't need Anthony Andersen AT ALL, and I don't need Bumblebee 'lubricating' anybody.

Why do we have to "settle"? Think about this for a second, if there are no FX fight scenes, what sort of movie is left? Star Wars IV-VI, Batman, all the really good action movies...Terminator, Die Hard for crying out loud, had something else besides big explosions. This movie is about as good as ROTS; some parts are great, and some parts are "NOOOOOOOOO!" bad.

Bay & Co. made the Hollywood equivalent of a good porn film; all the big scenes keep you interested, and the money shots are great, but the rest of the film is just filler.

Yay, sequel. I hope it's better than this one. If not, we'll have to wait 10 years for somebody to 'revive' the franchise and hope they get it right then.

Buttz wrote:ah crap. I hope he goes and does one of the "couple things... on the horizon" and they hire someone- ANYONE - else for the sequel.

If you read the full article, I think you'll gain more appreciation for Michael Bay and what he did with the Transformers.

The amount of attention he pays to the little details, such as lighting and realism is highly respectable.

And before people bash him on dismissing the original G1 cartoon, which he does do in this interview. I challenge you to go back an watch them over again. Sure there are some episodes that rock, but if this were on Cartoon Network now, how many of us would watch it or fill these boards with rants about how poor the quality is.

Robinson wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Buttz wrote:ah crap. I hope he goes and does one of the "couple things... on the horizon" and they hire someone- ANYONE - else for the sequel.

Your opinion is wrong.

The movie kicked ass.

Thousands of Transformers fans at BotCon and around the world are in support of my statement (See above).

Millions of dollars have been made in like, oh, two days, which also goes a long way to saying your opinion is wrong.

Credit where credit is due.

Bay made an excellent movie and did the Transformers modern day justice.

Yeah!! (Puffs up chest) :MAD:

Yes, I agree, by the end of the film's release, they will have raked in more money alone than most transformers cartoon series!

"When you finally come down off of your high horses (gotta be nosebleedin' by now I'd figure..., and before you say it, no the air isn't better up there.) and pull the saddle out of your asses, you might...just might wake up and say "Ya know what? They're right. I still don't like the movie because of what they did to my favorites, but doggone it...it was fun. And I didn't even have a heart attack either. YAY! I CAN HAVE FUN AND IT WON'T KILL ME! WHEE!""

I am not on the level that some haters are about this. And I did enjoy the film. That is why I said it is teetering on the edge. If Bay doesn't make some serious changes, it will be in the 5.99 rack next to Godzilla. There is enough to work with that I feel he can do it. But this franchise is in critical condition. Films with no character development and a hard to follow plot die off after the initial buzz.