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Shadowman wrote:Crybaby fanboys who can't get used to change, they're the asses.
Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.
Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.
And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.
Phategod1 wrote:Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.
And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.
Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Phategod1 wrote:Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.
And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.
Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.
Shadowman wrote:AbsumZer0 wrote:And Paul WS Anderson? The guy who hasn't made a halfway decent movie since Event Horizon? The guy who took the Resident Evil franchise and turned it into a superhero movie starring his wife? The guy who singlehandedly smashed the hopes of Alien and Predator fans everywhere by taking the reins on the long-anticipated Aliens vs. Predator project and turning it into complete ****? What? If Anderson could stop making every movie worse than his last maybe people wouldn't call his latest movies "his worst ever".
See? That's what I'm talking about. Not everyone agrees with you on Resident Evil (Where Paul only did the first one) or Alien vs. Predator (Which rocked, not as any sort of adaptation, but as a good crossover movie).
And what about Mortal Kombat? THE best video game adaptaion ever. And guess what? Even though MK2 is attached to his name as a bad movie, he wasn't invovled with it.
You're opinion doesn't make the world go 'round. People disagree. Get used to it.
Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.
And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.
Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.
Prince of persia and micheal bay? That wont work...too much sand and its set too far in the past. Someone like stephen sommers would be best suited to that, he did The Mummy.
I just checked IMDB and he is rumoured to do the POP movie....hmmm....i dont really care about the franchise but i think Bay could be a waste of talent on such a movie.
But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.
TF will be a great success too id imagine, so with that in mind, and his previous box-office track record, Bay must be doing something right.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Sonray wrote:
But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.
Shadowman wrote:Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.
And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.
Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.
Prince of persia and micheal bay? That wont work...too much sand and its set too far in the past. Someone like stephen sommers would be best suited to that, he did The Mummy.
I just checked IMDB and he is rumoured to do the POP movie....hmmm....i dont really care about the franchise but i think Bay could be a waste of talent on such a movie.
But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.
TF will be a great success too id imagine, so with that in mind, and his previous box-office track record, Bay must be doing something right.
The only real major totally-for-serious failure was Pearl Harbor, and yet, it managed to avoid every Golden Raspberry Award it was nominated for.
So Three Good Films (Bad Boys 1 and 2, The Rock) Two So-So Films (The Island, Armageddon) and One OH DEAR GOD WHO ALLOWED THIS?! film. (Pearl Harbor)
Pretty good track record.
AbsumZer0: How do you get to Holocaust deniers from of people who liked Alien vs. Predator? Seems kind of...I dunno...stupid? Insane? Pointlessly infammatory in a very subtle way? One of those.
Shadowman wrote:Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.
And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.
Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.
Prince of persia and micheal bay? That wont work...too much sand and its set too far in the past. Someone like stephen sommers would be best suited to that, he did The Mummy.
I just checked IMDB and he is rumoured to do the POP movie....hmmm....i dont really care about the franchise but i think Bay could be a waste of talent on such a movie.
But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.
TF will be a great success too id imagine, so with that in mind, and his previous box-office track record, Bay must be doing something right.
The only real major totally-for-serious failure was Pearl Harbor, and yet, it managed to avoid every Golden Raspberry Award it was nominated for.
So Three Good Films (Bad Boys 1 and 2, The Rock) Two So-So Films (The Island, Armageddon) and One OH DEAR GOD WHO ALLOWED THIS?! film. (Pearl Harbor)
Pretty good track record.
AbsumZer0: How do you get to Holocaust deniers from of people who liked Alien vs. Predator? Seems kind of...I dunno...stupid? Insane? Pointlessly infammatory in a very subtle way? One of those.
AbsumZer0 wrote:Because people believing something doesn't make it true. There are people who think Uwe Boll's a visionary, people who think Bay and WS Anderson are great directors, and people that think the Holocaust never happened. Apart from probably being either in their early teens or owning at least one Limp Bizkit album, they also have in common the fact that they're wrong.
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
AbsumZer0 wrote:Shadowman wrote:Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:Sonray wrote:Phategod1 wrote:But I dont Blame Anderson I blame Fox for wanting to sell Toys more toys and pack more tweens in the theatre.
And there we have it. See everyone here is blaming the directors but at the end of the day it usually isnt entirely their fault if a movie sucks.
Thats not always the case Anderson problem is he's a Yes man. real eager to please the studios. One of Bays many problems is He listens to know one his Everest size ego never allows him to be wrong and his ultimate Downfall when it come to dealing with licensed property. which reminds me Isn't he also about to make a Prince of Persia movie another reason Why I hope Bay is too busy to do a TF II movie.
Prince of persia and micheal bay? That wont work...too much sand and its set too far in the past. Someone like stephen sommers would be best suited to that, he did The Mummy.
I just checked IMDB and he is rumoured to do the POP movie....hmmm....i dont really care about the franchise but i think Bay could be a waste of talent on such a movie.
But anyway, back to Bay. If he was such a terrible director, how comes he has only ever had ONE flop? That was The Island, and that only flopped due to bad advertising, which wasnt Bay's fault. I really liked the Island and thought it was one of bays superior films. It actually had a bit more substance which Bay movies intentionally lack since they are usually MENT to just be mindless, entertaining pop corn movies.
TF will be a great success too id imagine, so with that in mind, and his previous box-office track record, Bay must be doing something right.
The only real major totally-for-serious failure was Pearl Harbor, and yet, it managed to avoid every Golden Raspberry Award it was nominated for.
So Three Good Films (Bad Boys 1 and 2, The Rock) Two So-So Films (The Island, Armageddon) and One OH DEAR GOD WHO ALLOWED THIS?! film. (Pearl Harbor)
Pretty good track record.
AbsumZer0: How do you get to Holocaust deniers from of people who liked Alien vs. Predator? Seems kind of...I dunno...stupid? Insane? Pointlessly infammatory in a very subtle way? One of those.
Because people believing something doesn't make it true. There are people who think Uwe Boll's a visionary, people who think Bay and WS Anderson are great directors, and people that think the Holocaust never happened. Apart from probably being either in their early teens or owning at least one Limp Bizkit album, they also have in common the fact that they're wrong.
Shadowman wrote:Look, Liking something is Opinion. Think Bay and Anderson are good directors is opinion.
Believe the Holocaust didn't happen isn't opinion. Get your logical fallcies strait, or just stop posting.
Shadowman wrote:AbsumZer0 wrote:Because people believing something doesn't make it true. There are people who think Uwe Boll's a visionary, people who think Bay and WS Anderson are great directors, and people that think the Holocaust never happened. Apart from probably being either in their early teens or owning at least one Limp Bizkit album, they also have in common the fact that they're wrong.
Look, I tried make a decent arguement, but about halfway through, the fact that you essentially made yourself look like a total re-re by confusing True and False with opinion just make my brain die.
Look, Liking something is Opinion. Think Bay and Anderson are good directors is opinion.
Believe the Holocaust didn't happen isn't opinion. Get your logical fallcies strait, or just stop posting.
Sonray wrote:Shadowman wrote:Look, Liking something is Opinion. Think Bay and Anderson are good directors is opinion.
Believe the Holocaust didn't happen isn't opinion. Get your logical fallcies strait, or just stop posting.
I like you...in a non freaky internet stalker kinda way...
Wigglez wrote:Just remember. The sword is an extension of your arm. Use it as if you're going to karate chop someone with your really long sharp ass hand.
Sonray wrote:
A contradiction since you beleiving that they are wrong isnt a fact, its just YOUR opinion.
Oh and i like Bay, and im 22, married, and own ZERO limp biscuit albums.
However i also like The Wachowski brothers, Stanley Kubrick, Steven Speilberg, James Cameron, John Woo, Brian De Palma, Quentin Tarantino and many other movie legends.
Yes, i have quite a wide taste in movies.
AbsumZer0 wrote:Sonray wrote:
A contradiction since you beleiving that they are wrong isnt a fact, its just YOUR opinion.
Oh and i like Bay, and im 22, married, and own ZERO limp biscuit albums.
However i also like The Wachowski brothers, Stanley Kubrick, Steven Speilberg, James Cameron, John Woo, Brian De Palma, Quentin Tarantino and many other movie legends.
Yes, i have quite a wide taste in movies.
Of course believing MY they're wrong is still an opinion. It would be a contradiction if I'd said otherwise.
Stating you like a list of directors best known or only known for their action films (Kubrick being the sole exception) and saying you have "wide taste in movies" comes close to being a contradiction.
Sonray wrote:AbsumZer0 wrote:Sonray wrote:
A contradiction since you beleiving that they are wrong isnt a fact, its just YOUR opinion.
Oh and i like Bay, and im 22, married, and own ZERO limp biscuit albums.
However i also like The Wachowski brothers, Stanley Kubrick, Steven Speilberg, James Cameron, John Woo, Brian De Palma, Quentin Tarantino and many other movie legends.
Yes, i have quite a wide taste in movies.
Of course believing MY they're wrong is still an opinion. It would be a contradiction if I'd said otherwise.
Stating you like a list of directors best known or only known for their action films (Kubrick being the sole exception) and saying you have "wide taste in movies" comes close to being a contradiction.
Wow you really like stoking the fire huh.
Just to put you right since you seem to know nothing about directors...
Steven Speilberg ISNT an action movie director. Was A.I. and action movie? No, its was a masterpiece. Was The Terminal an action movie? Nope. Was Catch Me If You Can an action movie? No. Hell i wouldnt even class War Of The Worlds as an action movie, more like a drama.
Now for Brian De Palma. Was Scarface an action movie? Nope. How about Carlitos way? Nahuh.
Quentin Tarantino: Pulp Fiction? Not an action movie, but a cinematic masterpiece of story telling. Reservior dogs, not an action movie, same as above. Kill Bill? I didnt like the movie personally, but i wouldnt even class that as an action movie either.
So what have we established here? Well, i think if i said what we have established about you the servers' censor bot would explode. You get the point.
Sonray wrote:Just because that is how they are categorized IN A RENTAL STORE doesnt mean they ARE action movies. To use how films are catergorized on a shelf in a rental store and using that as a "fact" towards what genre a certain movie falls under is the weakest attempt at holding up your side of the arguement i have ever seen!
And yeah, an action movie is a mindless popcorn summer blockbuster bay/woo/harlin-esque seat filler, its harder to get any clearer than that.
If you knew anything about film you would be able to tell the difference. But since you dont then theres no point in continuing this stupid **** flinging contest youve started.
For Gondor! wrote:Why are people citing boxoffice figures as evidence of talent?
Neko wrote:For Gondor! wrote:Why are people citing boxoffice figures as evidence of talent?
Boxoffice figure determine whether or not there's a sequal or if the people who made the film still have work.
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